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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject:

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Garland was at Bronny’s game with Lebron, Miles Simon and Rich Paul.

So is Miles Simon still working for the Lakers?


If memory serves me correctly Miles Simon was more of a player development coach than an X’s and O’s Assistant coach. Seem to remember him spending a lot of one on one time with the younger guys. Someone must have liked the job he did developing Zo, Kuz and Ingram. Just my opinion though.


Correct.

Also he was a Magic/Pelinka hire which might also explain why he was not fired.


I did not know that, assumed he was another Luke Arizona hire.


I really can't say it wasn't a Luke hire.

Maybe better if I stated he was hired when Magic/Pelinka were in charge so my assumption they gave their approval.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject:

Miles Simon was my favorite college player that one year! Anyways, glad to see him hitching his wagon to Lebron, even if Bron missed his Hi-5!
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That Cam Reddish pick is looking OK after Bobby Portis called his dunk a Lonzo Dunk Package
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Miles Simon was my favorite college player that one year! Anyways, glad to see him hitching his wagon to Lebron, even if Bron missed his Hi-5!


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:30 am    Post subject:

I don't trust "Reddit scouts" one bit.

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MINUSES:

-Undersized point guard; he’s thin, lacks length, and isn’t an elite athlete; who does he effectively guard?


He's dead on average NBA size for a point guard. He keeps getting referred to Curry, yet Curry was a 3rd year NCAA player (yet Garland is the same size) and Dame (4 year player).

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-Gambles too much as an off-ball defender.


Has no steal rate to reflect on it. If anything his off-ball defense is better than on-ball defense because he actually has an understanding of awareness and ball denial.

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-Shooting has never been an issue for him at lower levels, but his release is a little low, so it’ll be worth monitoring how it translates against NBA length.


If he's creating adequate space and has a quick release, when does this actually matter? He's not facing wing defenders here. Like I said, it's an NBA level jumpshot, already adjusted at HS. He's not in the process of adjusting it during NCAA time like Zion, Culver, Barrett, Ja, etc.

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-Needs to limit unnecessary risks where he tries to be flashy instead of making a fundamental play.


I think this is poorly worded for the same thing. The timing of his passes isn't elite and could be sharpened, especially with either hand off the dribble. That doesn't mean he's trying to be flashy. One-handed passes off the dribble are now the modern fundamentals for a point guard. They weren't 10-20 years ago.

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- A torn meniscus in his left knee ended his season at Vanderbilt.


And he took the year off already. This is a 3-5 month injury max?
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:31 am    Post subject:

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where is charles matthews slated to go?


2nd round when he has 1st round value.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:31 am    Post subject:

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All this hype for someone who wont play over 25 min a game their first 3 seasons with the team.


It's not about hype.

It's about narrowing the gap between the 1st and 29th best three point shooting teams.

If we were 15th... even 20th in shooting... sure draft the defensive stud.

We need shooting

There has never been a team who has won a title shooting as poorly as we do.

Garland could bust... but he's what we need.


You already got your wish last year. How'd that work out?
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:32 am    Post subject:

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All this hype for someone who wont play over 25 min a game their first 3 seasons with the team.


It's not about hype.

It's about narrowing the gap between the 1st and 29th best three point shooting teams.

If we were 15th... even 20th in shooting... sure draft the defensive stud.

We need shooting

There has never been a team who has won a title shooting as poorly as we do.

Garland could bust... but he's what we need.


Drafting for need is what gets GMs and scouts fired. BPA no matter what. Especially since the player wont get a lot of minutes.


So you think Culver is a more tradeable asset than Garland?

Some have Culver on a higher tier... everyone else available is on the same tier.

Considering Garland fits our need and is more valuable as a trade asset to teams like the Suns or Bulls... it's not such an easy call.


Culver is a more tradeable asset because of his archetype. 2-way wing, minimal liability.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject:

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So Mike said the other day his #1 choice would be to trade down to #8 and #10. Does anyone know who he'd ideally pick there? Also, I would love to get Huerter as part of the package as well. Summer League would be LIT.


Kevin Porter Jr.

And

Goga Bitadze, Jaxson Hayes, PJ Washington

Even Brandon Clarke or DeAndre Hunter could slip that far.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject:

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Anyway, sleeper pick for late 1st or early to late 2nd round is Jalen Lecque. If you don't know anything about this kid yet, I suggest you check him out.



So I just watched the video and my only thought was that how isn’t this guy a lottery pick? This guy seems to have elite athleticism.. is there any injury or personal issues preventing him from being in the Top 15 selection?


He can't score in the halfcourt.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:49 am    Post subject:

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All this hype for someone who wont play over 25 min a game their first 3 seasons with the team.


It's not about hype.

It's about narrowing the gap between the 1st and 29th best three point shooting teams.

If we were 15th... even 20th in shooting... sure draft the defensive stud.

We need shooting

There has never been a team who has won a title shooting as poorly as we do.

Garland could bust... but he's what we need.


You already got your wish last year. How'd that work out?


My wish was for either Shamet or Robinson... so I'd say it worked out well.

I still think Svi will be a good rotation player when given the chance.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:57 am    Post subject:

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All this hype for someone who wont play over 25 min a game their first 3 seasons with the team.


It's not about hype.

It's about narrowing the gap between the 1st and 29th best three point shooting teams.

If we were 15th... even 20th in shooting... sure draft the defensive stud.

We need shooting

There has never been a team who has won a title shooting as poorly as we do.

Garland could bust... but he's what we need.


You already got your wish last year. How'd that work out?


My wish was for either Shamet or Robinson... so I'd say it worked out well.

I still think Svi will be a good rotation player when given the chance.


I wish for Shamet too. I just think that people thinking he'd be the same guy as a Laker is incorrect.

But you had Svi. You had Wagner. Mid 30s to mid 40s % shooting. Drafted for shooting instead of BPA.

I'm only high on Garland because I expect that shooting to translate. I had Wagner late 2nd. I even spoke of Shamet on a podcast on April. Shamet's shot didn't need adjustment, but the shot prep did, since he was playing off ball.

My point is, the assumption on drafting for a specific skill and thinking it's the same for every draft is just outright false. The past 2 seasons of drafts were unusually deep at the top with late 1st type talent dipping into the mid 2nd.

This isn't that kind of draft. I just disagree on your thought process. It already happened before with Vujacic and Brian Cook. It doesn't need to be repeated.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
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All this hype for someone who wont play over 25 min a game their first 3 seasons with the team.


It's not about hype.

It's about narrowing the gap between the 1st and 29th best three point shooting teams.

If we were 15th... even 20th in shooting... sure draft the defensive stud.

We need shooting

There has never been a team who has won a title shooting as poorly as we do.

Garland could bust... but he's what we need.


You already got your wish last year. How'd that work out?


My wish was for either Shamet or Robinson... so I'd say it worked out well.

I still think Svi will be a good rotation player when given the chance.


I wish for Shamet too. I just think that people thinking he'd be the same guy as a Laker is incorrect.

But you had Svi. You had Wagner. Mid 30s to mid 40s % shooting. Drafted for shooting instead of BPA.

I'm only high on Garland because I expect that shooting to translate. I had Wagner late 2nd. I even spoke of Shamet on a podcast on April. Shamet's shot didn't need adjustment, but the shot prep did, since he was playing off ball.

My point is, the assumption on drafting for a specific skill and thinking it's the same for every draft is just outright false. The past 2 seasons of drafts were unusually deep at the top with late 1st type talent dipping into the mid 2nd.

This isn't that kind of draft. I just disagree on your thought process. It already happened before with Vujacic and Brian Cook. It doesn't need to be repeated.


I wouldn't want a Kapono type pure shooter... I get that part. Garland seems like a skilled ball handler with some decent passing potential as well.

I never advocated for Wagner... you are thinking of someone else.

I may have supported him after the fact as I do all our players... but I never wanted to draft him.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject:

Honestly, I think up to 4 of the arguable top 5 picks have to adjust their shot at the NBA level.

I think Garland and Hunter don't. Garland can create the space. Hunter has slower 4s coming at him.

Through that lens, it shows how ugly the top of the draft really is.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject:

I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:06 am    Post subject:

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I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.


Bol, I just can't agree on.

Goga, needs to add strength, but at least he plays a physical type of basketball, more like the rigors of the NBA.

Frankly, if LAL can't get stars, I want Danny Green and Julius Randle.
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I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.


Bol, I just can't agree on.

Goga, needs to add strength, but at least he plays a physical type of basketball, more like the rigors of the NBA.

Frankly, if LAL can't get stars, I want Danny Green and Julius Randle.


Yeah I can see the concern about Bol... but I'd rather try one of those two or even Jontay than a mediocre wing.

I don't mind signing Green and Randle... but we still need to fill what Brook did.

Garland, Green, and Brook would be a nice start back to shooting efficiency
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:25 am    Post subject:

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I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.


Bol, I just can't agree on.

Goga, needs to add strength, but at least he plays a physical type of basketball, more like the rigors of the NBA.

Frankly, if LAL can't get stars, I want Danny Green and Julius Randle.


Yeah I can see the concern about Bol... but I'd rather try one of those two or even Jontay than a mediocre wing.

I don't mind signing Green and Randle... but we still need to fill what Brook did.

Garland, Green, and Brook would be a nice start back to shooting efficiency


Randle was a 34% 3pt shooter on low volume.
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Mike@LG wrote:
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I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.


Bol, I just can't agree on.

Goga, needs to add strength, but at least he plays a physical type of basketball, more like the rigors of the NBA.

Frankly, if LAL can't get stars, I want Danny Green and Julius Randle.


Yeah I can see the concern about Bol... but I'd rather try one of those two or even Jontay than a mediocre wing.

I don't mind signing Green and Randle... but we still need to fill what Brook did.

Garland, Green, and Brook would be a nice start back to shooting efficiency


Randle was a 34% 3pt shooter on low volume.


I was thinking about signing all three.

Brook has developed into a KLove type asset with rim protection.

Randle's shooting is promising but hard to rely on yet.

I mostly want him for the commanding interior presence that McGee cannot provide.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject:

Personally I think this number 4 pick is a 3 man race between high potential/high bust prospects and the low ceiling/ready now prospect.

Bol Bol, cam reddish or Deandre hunter.


Looking at what bol can do, I’m not really sure how he’s so low on everyone’s draft boards. Sure he’s skinny and injured, but he’s also only a kid. He will get stronger and. So will his bones.

Reddish has the skillset of a star, the name of a star, moves like a star, looks like a star. I’m calling it right now, every team that passes on that guy will regret it. He might end up the best player from this draft class. He’s just missing consistency and that comes with time. It’s easy to see why his numbers were so low looking at his role last season. Hope the lakers don’t make the mistake of passing on him.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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I also don't mind reaching for Goga or Bol.

Because we need a stretch five.

However, I'd go begging to Brook on my hands and knees before I'd pick one of those. If the begging didn't work... then I don't mind going that route.


Bol, I just can't agree on.

Goga, needs to add strength, but at least he plays a physical type of basketball, more like the rigors of the NBA.

Frankly, if LAL can't get stars, I want Danny Green and Julius Randle.


Yeah I can see the concern about Bol... but I'd rather try one of those two or even Jontay than a mediocre wing.

I don't mind signing Green and Randle... but we still need to fill what Brook did.

Garland, Green, and Brook would be a nice start back to shooting efficiency


Randle was a 34% 3pt shooter on low volume.


Green has not performed well in playoffs and I’d bet he gets re-signed.

Pay Brogdon a little over value. Trade zo/kuz/4/Hart/mo for AD. Find some shooters in free agency.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject:

Any truth to the Knicks taking Culver and Barrett dropping to 4th?
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Any truth to the Knicks taking Culver and Barrett dropping to 4th?


I have doubts, but that is only based on my perception of what the Knicks are trying to do. If there is any chance you are looking to move the pick soon after the draft, I think you have to go with Barrett....the pedigree and perceived upside just has more market value. Also, what are the Knicks expectations in regards to Kyrie....because if they do not expect to get Kyrie, I would think Garland is more of a NYK pick than Culver.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:11 am    Post subject:

The fact that there is even thought of the Knicks passing on R.J. Barrett should tell you all you need to know about how bad that Organization is.

but if the Knicks screw it up more better for us since Barrett will basically come be our BI if BI gets traded.
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On the Ringer the two guys who aren’t KOC we’re very low on R.J. One guy even put BC in front of him
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