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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:55 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
PartyMan wrote:
Who are some guys who might go undrafted that have a shot to make a team?
Have they put in a rule that if an underclassman goes undrafted, he can return to school?
Mike Daum is my favorite. Twins Caleb or Cody Martin.
I’ve like the Martins since last year too. Cody I think would make a better NBA player as a role player. Caleb could possibly be a microwave scorer off the bench. Would like to pick them up if they went undrafted. They got the tools to be great wing defenders if they put their mind to it.
Saw only part of 1 Daum game and he was in foul trouble and didn’t play well. He was pretty productive though at a small school so we’ll see. _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:06 pm Post subject:
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Out of curiosity, what do you guys make of that French player, Sekou Doumbouya? I remember reading about him (at the start of the season) but haven't paid attention to anything draft-related since.
He's flashed highlights recently but I'm concerned that his skill improvements are inconsistent, on both ends of the floor. Coverage is limited and I don't think LAL is a great place to develop his talent. It's like he needs a dedicated development coach. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject:
[quote="MIMLaker"]Anyone have thoughts on Ty Jerome (UVA) or Carsen Edwards (Purdue)? I keep thinking Ball needs a good combo guard next to him to maximize his on and off-ball abilities.
Ideally, I'd like NAW in that role, but looking at other options, too.[/q]
Carsen Edwards I'm okay with late 1st/early 2nd. I can't draft a player with a wingspan near mine. I think part of Svi's lack of success was his constant shot adjustment to NBA defenses because... lack of length. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Guys outside of the Lakers pick that I do like:
Chuma Okeke
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Charles Matthews
Jon Teske
Miye Oni
Obi Toppin
Jon Konchar
Neemias Queta
Shamorie Ponds
Jalen McDaniels
Kerwin Roach
Juwan Morgan
Lindell Wiggington
Shamorie Ponds
Jaylen Nowell
Naz Reid
Not a fan of Teske. Just so-so on Matthews although I like his physical profile and athleticism. Just not sure on that jump shot. Some of these I have to look into.
I do like
Killian Tillie
Zack Norvell
Admiral Schofield
Ty Jerome
Robert Franks
Markus Howard
I think Norvell and Tillie stay. Markus Howard too. Schofield, I'm out on. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Guys outside of the Lakers pick that I do like:
Chuma Okeke
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Charles Matthews
Jon Teske
Miye Oni
Obi Toppin
Jon Konchar
Neemias Queta
Shamorie Ponds
Jalen McDaniels
Kerwin Roach
Juwan Morgan
Lindell Wiggington
Shamorie Ponds
Jaylen Nowell
Naz Reid
Not a fan of Teske. Just so-so on Matthews although I like his physical profile and athleticism. Just not sure on that jump shot. Some of these I have to look into.
I do like
Killian Tillie
Zack Norvell
Admiral Schofield
Ty Jerome
Robert Franks
Markus Howard
I think Norvell and Tillie stay. Markus Howard too. Schofield, I'm out on. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:10 pm Post subject:
PartyMan wrote:
Who are some guys who might go undrafted that have a shot to make a team?
Have they put in a rule that if an underclassman goes undrafted, he can return to school?
Guys can even hire an agent, and still return to school. It's difficult to make that kind of list due to that rule. I don't know who has declared a second time. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:11 pm Post subject:
PartyMan wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
PartyMan wrote:
Who are some guys who might go undrafted that have a shot to make a team?
Have they put in a rule that if an underclassman goes undrafted, he can return to school?
Mike Daum is my favorite. Twins Caleb or Cody Martin.
I’ve like the Martins since last year too. Cody I think would make a better NBA player as a role player. Caleb could possibly be a microwave scorer off the bench. Would like to pick them up if they went undrafted. They got the tools to be great wing defenders if they put their mind to it.
Saw only part of 1 Daum game and he was in foul trouble and didn’t play well. He was pretty productive though at a small school so we’ll see.
I'm out on both Martins.
I still think Daum can carve out an NBA career, but he basically needs to strength train for a year or two. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:42 pm Post subject:
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Chuma Okeke
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Charles Matthews
Jon Teske
Miye Oni
Obi Toppin
Jon Konchar
Neemias Queta
Shamorie Ponds
Jalen McDaniels
Kerwin Roach
Juwan Morgan
Lindell Wiggington
Shamorie Ponds
Jaylen Nowell
Naz Reid
Okeke - 6'6.5" w 7" wingspan. Shooter, IQ defender. Basically plays like how you want Kuzma to play. More efficient, better fit to Lonzo. Less of a creative finisher/playmaker to Kuzma.
Cameron Johnson - Legit thought he'd be a 2nd rounder, but the missing Tier 2 has him mid to late 1st. Average defender, moves the ball, lacks strength, elite shooter.
Matisse Thybulle - Another preseason favorite. Buys teams possessions and never misses team help. Even if he's an average man-defender, he creates so many opportunities.
Charles Matthews - High end defender, even gives Culver issues defensively. Needs to change his jumpshot, but has the Isolation footwork to create in the mid-range area.
Jon Teske - Elite NCAA 5. Perfect 3rd big that's actually willing to shoot 3s.
Miye Oni - Elite athlete, underrated playmaker.
Obi Toppin - Good stock rates for a big, moves his feet a bit.
Jon Konchar - Elite shooter/finisher, moves the ball, doesn't take bad shots, good athlete, large hands
Neemias Queta - Gobert-like defensive presence but needs a year or 2 to build his body athletically.
Shamorie Ponds - We already know.
Jalen McDaniels - Banking on his ability to learn and implement new skills. Tweener 4/3 that doesn't look like he can add strength but has insane motor.
Kerwin Roach - Like a poor man's Westbrook, a tempo changer, average playmaker, elite athlete.
Juwan Morgan - Undersized 5 with good stock rate, hands, wingspan
Lindell Wiggington - Elite athlete, 1 on 1 shot creator, plays like a 3 in a 1/2 body but has the athleticism and strength to compensate well. Previously worked out for the Lakers.
Jaylen Nowell - Shot creating 2, very good athlete, good shooter for Washington and emerged as the #1 option for the team. Could excel as a tertiary option with less degree of difficulty shots.
Naz Reid - Low risk, High reward pick in the 2nd round. Really has a special talent on the offensive end, but is Caleb Swanigan-like defensively, and unlike Swanigan, doesn't have the rebounding or rim protection. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Chuma Okeke
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Charles Matthews
Jon Teske
Miye Oni
Obi Toppin
Jon Konchar
Neemias Queta
Shamorie Ponds
Jalen McDaniels
Kerwin Roach
Juwan Morgan
Lindell Wiggington
Shamorie Ponds
Jaylen Nowell
Naz Reid
Not a fan of Teske. Just so-so on Matthews although I like his physical profile and athleticism. Just not sure on that jump shot. Some of these I have to look into.
I do like
Killian Tillie
Zack Norvell
Admiral Schofield
Ty Jerome
Robert Franks
Markus Howard
I think Norvell and Tillie stay. Markus Howard too. Schofield, I'm out on.
Some projected Tillie as a 1st rounder before this season, but his year was wrecked by injuries. He was inconsistent in the tournament, but if he stays in the draft, I think the Lakers should take a look at him, and potentially try to buy a pick for him.
I think Norvell and Tillie stay. Markus Howard too. Schofield, I'm out on.
yeah, Markus Howard already announced he is returning to school
as a marquette fan im stooked. he made the right decision. Marquette is ranked 2nd in the too early rankings and thats prob the reason. i didnt know he was staying til this comment and now that ranking makes sense. Hes going to have a hell of a year and may jump from a 2nd rd pick to a possible lottery.
Chuma Okeke
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Charles Matthews
Jon Teske
Miye Oni
Obi Toppin
Jon Konchar
Neemias Queta
Shamorie Ponds
Jalen McDaniels
Kerwin Roach
Juwan Morgan
Lindell Wiggington
Shamorie Ponds
Jaylen Nowell
Naz Reid
Not a fan of Teske. Just so-so on Matthews although I like his physical profile and athleticism. Just not sure on that jump shot. Some of these I have to look into.
I do like
Killian Tillie
Zack Norvell
Admiral Schofield
Ty Jerome
Robert Franks
Markus Howard
I think Norvell and Tillie stay. Markus Howard too. Schofield, I'm out on.
Some projected Tillie as a 1st rounder before this season, but his year was wrecked by injuries. He was inconsistent in the tournament, but if he stays in the draft, I think the Lakers should take a look at him, and potentially try to buy a pick for him.
I wasn't high on him starting the season as I felt he played soft but he appeared to have toughened up in regards to playing with more contact.
His shooting stroke and 3pt touch is about as good as it gets despite the low volume. Looks legit 6'9' or taller with good length. If he comes out he would be a nice pick from 20 on down.
Out of curiosity, what do you guys make of that French player, Sekou Doumbouya? I remember reading about him (at the start of the season) but haven't paid attention to anything draft-related since.
He's flashed highlights recently but I'm concerned that his skill improvements are inconsistent, on both ends of the floor. Coverage is limited and I don't think LAL is a great place to develop his talent. It's like he needs a dedicated development coach.
Fair enough, Sekou is only 18 and will be a project for sure. I think an attraction for me is the unknown, i.e., how good can he become at a better b-ball culture/organization than where he is now? It appears he has good natural ability and he's taking his training more seriously after joining Limoges (went from 230lbs to 210lbs in a year). If he is available at #11, I'd be happy if we took a chance.
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I love Gafford's athleticism and shot blocking ability. Lob threat every possession. Better as a help defender than 1-on-1 in the post, not bad just not great.
Problem with him is he's not a true back-to-the-basket center like Bruno Fernando. He has the basic footwork in the post down and has room to grow in that aspect but as of right now, he's not a "throw it into the post and let him go to work" type player.
He's also not a spacer like Bruno. Most of his scoring comes from lobs, rolls and putbacks, which I'm fine with. He's not a great outside shooter and his FT shooting (~59%) is poor. Nothing wrong with his stroke though.
Good rebounder who uses his length to rebound out of his space and has a 2nd jump that's as quick and high as his 1st. GREAT athletic clay for a P&R BIG.
If we knew we were going to land Kawhi, I'd pick Gafford as high as 11. Bruno is more skilled offensively but I think Gafford has a chance to become the best version of himself (on both ends) on more teams than Bruno.
Lindell Wigginton is a Jordan Clarkson Clone. Same Strengths in college and same weaknesses. Only difference is Clarkson is a little taller and I think Wigginton is a better outside shooter in college.
I love Gafford's athleticism and shot blocking ability. Lob threat every possession. Better as a help defender than 1-on-1 in the post, not bad just not great.
Problem with him is he's not a true back-to-the-basket center like Bruno Fernando. He has the basic footwork in the post down and has room to grow in that aspect but as of right now, he's not a "throw it into the post and let him go to work" type player.
He's also not a spacer like Bruno. Most of his scoring comes from lobs, rolls and putbacks, which I'm fine with. He's not a great outside shooter and his FT shooting (~59%) is poor. Nothing wrong with his stroke though.
Good rebounder who uses his length to rebound out of his space and has a 2nd jump that's as quick and high as his 1st. GREAT athletic clay for a P&R BIG.
If we knew we were going to land Kawhi, I'd pick Gafford as high as 11. Bruno is more skilled offensively but I think Gafford has a chance to become the best version of himself (on both ends) on more teams than Bruno.
That's a nice take. Looked him up after reading your post, and found this nice highlight reel.
I love Gafford's athleticism and shot blocking ability. Lob threat every possession. Better as a help defender than 1-on-1 in the post, not bad just not great.
Problem with him is he's not a true back-to-the-basket center like Bruno Fernando. He has the basic footwork in the post down and has room to grow in that aspect but as of right now, he's not a "throw it into the post and let him go to work" type player.
He's also not a spacer like Bruno. Most of his scoring comes from lobs, rolls and putbacks, which I'm fine with. He's not a great outside shooter and his FT shooting (~59%) is poor. Nothing wrong with his stroke though.
Good rebounder who uses his length to rebound out of his space and has a 2nd jump that's as quick and high as his 1st. GREAT athletic clay for a P&R BIG.
If we knew we were going to land Kawhi, I'd pick Gafford as high as 11. Bruno is more skilled offensively but I think Gafford has a chance to become the best version of himself (on both ends) on more teams than Bruno.
That's a nice take. Looked him up after reading your post, and found this nice highlight reel.
If you like that one, check this one out.
I've been high on Gafford since last year. NBA body and athleticism who plays within himself. Low risk/High floor type of player who belongs in a fast pace system.
He's better than Gafford in the low post and with college 3pt range. Better FT shooter also (~78%) which is a better predictor of outside shooting potential in the NBA, especially for big men.
They are both sophomores. Gafford is the better defender, IMHO but Bruno is the better rebounder and has the higher ceiling.
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:18 am Post subject:
GameCock-MD wrote:
Lindell Wigginton is a Jordan Clarkson Clone. Same Strengths in college and same weaknesses. Only difference is Clarkson is a little taller and I think Wigginton is a better outside shooter in college.
That's why I like him. That's an NBA player, and fwiw, he's stronger going to the basket. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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