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He gone. And rightfully so, both he and his wife, are mandatory first reporters and both covered it up. He's a lying POS and deserves to be fired and be blacklisted from coaching.


He has always been dirty.

What went on at Florida under his watch is a disgrace.


I think that is a valid description of most college sports


100% disagree...maybe some....maybe even many....but nowhere near most


Every big time sports program has skeletons in the closet. It’s just a question of how many. Louisville basketball had a mass grave site instead of a closet. I expect that few programs were that bad. Still, you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. There are a lot of dogs in big time college sports.
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some like Rece Davis speculated that the "paid leave" is just cover for negotiating his exit terms......but that the decision has been made.


How many times has someone in a high profile position been put on administrative leave but kept their job? Hell, as an employment lawyer, I can’t think of any cases where that happened just for an ordinary employee.
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adkindo wrote:
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He gone. And rightfully so, both he and his wife, are mandatory first reporters and both covered it up. He's a lying POS and deserves to be fired and be blacklisted from coaching.


He has always been dirty.

What went on at Florida under his watch is a disgrace.


I think that is a valid description of most college sports


100% disagree...maybe some....maybe even many....but nowhere near most


Every big time sports program has skeletons in the closet. It’s just a question of how many. Louisville basketball had a mass grave site instead of a closet. I expect that few programs were that bad. Still, you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. There are a lot of dogs in big time college sports.


If we are talking about recruiting violations....or making exceptions to keep a kid academically eligible....additional benefits for star prospects....simple NCAA violations...then sure, I agree. If we are talking about "disgraceful" acts like we have recently seen @ Baylor and Louisville....then I do not agree that every program is infected in that manner.
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He gone. And rightfully so, both he and his wife, are mandatory first reporters and both covered it up. He's a lying POS and deserves to be fired and be blacklisted from coaching.


He has always been dirty.

What went on at Florida under his watch is a disgrace.


what exactly are you referencing @ Florida?


https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/sports/ncaafootball/hernandez-among-many-arrested-at-florida-in-the-meyer-years.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/128766-a-full-line-up-22-florida-football-players-arrested-under-the-meyer-regime
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject:

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If we are talking about recruiting violations....or making exceptions to keep a kid academically eligible....additional benefits for star prospects....simple NCAA violations...then sure, I agree. If we are talking about "disgraceful" acts like we have recently seen @ Baylor and Louisville....then I do not agree that every program is infected in that manner.


I think you're right. I hope you're right. But Penn State, Baylor, Michigan State, and now Ohio State have shaken my confidence. These aren't outlaw programs. Heck, Baylor is a Baptist school where they argue about whether dancing should be allowed on campus.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:38 pm    Post subject:

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He gone. And rightfully so, both he and his wife, are mandatory first reporters and both covered it up. He's a lying POS and deserves to be fired and be blacklisted from coaching.


He has always been dirty.

What went on at Florida under his watch is a disgrace.


what exactly are you referencing @ Florida?


https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/sports/ncaafootball/hernandez-among-many-arrested-at-florida-in-the-meyer-years.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/128766-a-full-line-up-22-florida-football-players-arrested-under-the-meyer-regime


I just wanted to make sure you were talking about the arrests. Fwiw, I recall the Orlando Sentinel began keeping a database of the arrests as they grew, and I thought the number was well over 30. I am in no way a Gator apologists.....but I do remember if you dig into those numbers...there are a few major arrests, while the vast majority are much less significant. Also, unlike many college town law enforcement that may be known to not have a zero tolerance policy in regards to the collegiate athletes.....Gainesville Police and Alachua County Sheriffs Department have long had a tense relationship with UF Athletics. Lets just say they are probably more likely to arrest a Gator football player for disorderly conduct than the majority of other college town law enforcement.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject:

OSU says Urban Meyer investigation set to be completed within 14 days

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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The investigation of Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer's handling of a domestic violence complaint against a former assistant is expected to be completed within 14 days, the school announced in a statement Sunday night.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject:

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OSU says Urban Meyer investigation set to be completed within 14 days

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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The investigation of Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer's handling of a domestic violence complaint against a former assistant is expected to be completed within 14 days, the school announced in a statement Sunday night.


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i'd be surprised if he get fired.

im thinking this ends with urban getting a one or two game suspension.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:52 pm    Post subject:

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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The investigation of Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer's handling of a domestic violence complaint against a former assistant is expected to be completed within 14 days, the school announced in a statement Sunday night.


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i'd be surprised if he get fired.

im thinking this ends with urban getting a one or two game suspension.


I really do not have a feel at this point. I am not even sure I know what I feel should happen with the facts that have been made public.
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Ohio State fans signing petition, to hold rally for Urban Meyer

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More than 23,000 people have signed a digital petition as of Monday morning to keep Meyer from being "wrongfully fired" in the wake of the coach admitting he failed to disclose what he knew and when he knew about allegations that a former assistant physically abused his ex-wife. Fans of Meyer are also planning a demonstration of support outside the campus football stadium.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject:

Watching FirstTake this morning. SAS said Meyers informed the university but he lied to the media. SAS doesn't think Meyers will be fired.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject:

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Watching FirstTake this morning. SAS said Meyers informed the university but he lied to the media. SAS doesn't think Meyers will be fired.


if true, then I am sure those that want him fired will damn him for keeping Smith on staff.
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some like Rece Davis speculated that the "paid leave" is just cover for negotiating his exit terms......but that the decision has been made.


How many times has someone in a high profile position been put on administrative leave but kept their job? Hell, as an employment lawyer, I can’t think of any cases where that happened just for an ordinary employee.


as an employment lawyer....do you have any thoughts on what I think is becoming the elephant in the room....how employers have became much more controlling and/or invasive into employees private life and the behavior exhibited in private life. I mean there was a time in this country where a person could basically do all kinds of unattractive acts in their personal time, but as long as they showed up at work and performed well, employers did not really concern themselves with a person's actions in their personal time.
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as an employment lawyer....do you have any thoughts on what I think is becoming the elephant in the room....how employers have became much more controlling and/or invasive into employees private life and the behavior exhibited in private life. I mean there was a time in this country where a person could basically do all kinds of unattractive acts in their personal time, but as long as they showed up at work and performed well, employers did not really concern themselves with a person's actions in their personal time.


I don't know whether employers were ever really that unconcerned, but things like social media have made people's private lives less private. It is tough for someone to be a white supremacist or a BLM activist in your off hours without it getting back to the office. In the case of Meyers, we're talking about something different -- a specific legal obligation to report.
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as an employment lawyer....do you have any thoughts on what I think is becoming the elephant in the room....how employers have became much more controlling and/or invasive into employees private life and the behavior exhibited in private life. I mean there was a time in this country where a person could basically do all kinds of unattractive acts in their personal time, but as long as they showed up at work and performed well, employers did not really concern themselves with a person's actions in their personal time.


I don't know whether employers were ever really that unconcerned, but things like social media have made people's private lives less private. It is tough for someone to be a white supremacist or a BLM activist in your off hours without it getting back to the office. In the case of Meyers, we're talking about something different -- a specific legal obligation to report.


yes, I agree....but is that legal obligation in the contract 20 years ago? I am mostly referring to more common type rules that I would not have believed 20 years ago, but are in effect at many employers today such as corporate wide no smoking rules. I am not a smoker, but I still struggle to be comfortable with an employer being able to dictate if an employee can use tobacco products at home.
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yes, I agree....but is that legal obligation in the contract 20 years ago? I am mostly referring to more common type rules that I would not have believed 20 years ago, but are in effect at many employers today such as corporate wide no smoking rules. I am not a smoker, but I still struggle to be comfortable with an employer being able to dictate if an employee can use tobacco products at home.


It may not have been a legal obligation at all 20 years ago. I’m not an an expert on reporting obligations. As for smoking, this was driven by health insurance costs. I think those kinds of rules are overreaching, but then, as a cigar smoker, I’m used to being persecuted.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2018/08/22/ohio-state-suspends-urban-meyer-investigation/1018477002/?csp=chromepush

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Ohio State suspends football coach Urban Meyer three games; athletic director suspended

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Urban Meyer will remain as football coach of Ohio State but will be suspended for three games after the school investigated his handling of allegations of domestic abuse involving one of his former assistant coaches.

The announcement comes fter the school's Board of Trustees appointed an independent panel to oversee a two-week investigation of Meyer and reviewed its report.

Athletic director Gene Smith also was suspended from Aug. 31 to Sept. 16.

According to the report: "Although neither Urban Meyer nor Gene Smith condoned or covered up the alleged domestic abuse by Zach Smith, they failed to take sufficient management action relating to Zach Smith’s misconduct and retained an Assistant Coach who was not performing as an appropriate role model for OSU student-athletes. Permitting such misconduct to continue is not consistent with the values of the University and reflects poorly on Coach Meyer, Athletic Director Smith, and the University. Their handling of this matter did not exhibit the kind of leadership and high standards that we expect of our Athletic Director, Head Coach, Assistant Coaches and all on the football staff."


The board met for around 11 hours while around 70 media members waited outside the meeting room in Longaberger Alumni House. A smattering of Ohio State students stopped by to see if any decision has been reached. A local television station did several live remote reports around lunch time.

When it became clear deliberations would continue into the afternoon, the trustees had pizza brought in for the media,

During his administrative leave, Meyer was barred from coming on campus. But he was seen entering the building early in the trustees' session. His wife, Shelley, arrived around 2:30.

Former wide receivers coach Zach Smith was accused of abuse by his ex-wife on several occasions, most recently in 2015. Meyer initially denied knowledge of the alleged 2015 incident during an appearance at Big Ten Conference media days in July. He later he admitted to previously knowing about the matter and said he followed proper reporting protocols and procedures.

In an interview for the web site Stadium, Smith’s ex-wife, Courtney Smith, said she had told Meyer’s wife, Shelley, and Lindsey Voltolini, the wife of Ohio State’s director of football operations, about her ex-husband’s abusive behavior.

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Among the correspondences between Smith and Shelley Meyer were photos showing bruises stemming from the 2015 incident.

Following the interview of Smith, the school's Board of Trustees appointed an independent panel to oversee the investigation of Meyer.

Ryan Day, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, served as interim head coach during the investigation. Ohio State plays Oregon State in its season opener on Sept. 1.

Across multiple stops, each more successful than the last, Meyer’s coaching career has been a contradiction of near-unparalleled success marred by bouts of controversy.

At Florida, where Meyer led the Gators to national championships in 2006 and 2008, his program dominated the Southeastern Conference yet too often found itself in the headlines for player misconduct. Off the field, a program that seemed invincible was anything but.

Thirty-one players were arrested during Meyer’s tenure, which spanned from 2005-10. A report by Sporting News detailed an altercation between Florida assistant coach Billy Gonzales and star receiver Percy Harvin, which saw Harvin grab Gonzales by the throat and tackle him to the ground before being separated by two assistants.

Another one of Meyer’s stars at Florida, tight end Aaron Hernandez, was involved in two incidents during his time with the Gators, both in 2007. In one, Hernandez punched a restaurant employee in the side of the head, rupturing the individual’s eardrum. In the other, Hernandez was viewed as a person of interest in a shooting that occurred after a night at a local nightclub.

In 2013, Hernandez was arrested and charged in the murder of an acquaintance in North Attleborough, Mass. Hernandez was found guilty of first-degree murder in 2015.

On the field, on the other hand, Meyer led Florida back to prominence after a brief dip following the retirement of former head coach Steve Spurrier.

Led by quarterback Tim Tebow, the Gators won the national championship in both 2006 and 2008, finished No. 3 in the Amway Coaches Poll in 2009 and finished lower than 16th nationally just once, in Meyer’s final season in 2010.

Meyer nearly retired in the winter of 2009, after a health scare involving chest pains following the recent conference championship game and a desire to spend more time with his family. He officially stepped down on Dec. 9, 2010 with a 65-15 record at the school, and spent the 2011 season as an analyst for ESPN.

“At the end of the day, I'm very convinced that you're going to be judged on how you are as a husband and as a father and not on how many bowl games we won,” Meyer said at the time.

But it wasn’t long before he returned to coaching. A native of Ashtabula, Ohio, Meyer was hired by Ohio State in late November of 2011, and immediately moved the Buckeyes into elite company: OSU went 12-0 in his debut season, in 2012, though the Buckeyes were ineligible for the postseason due to sanctions stemming from the Jim Tressel era.

Of Meyer’s six teams, just one, in 2013, finished outside the top 10 of the Coaches Poll. The 2014 team claimed the inaugural College Football Playoff national championship. Each of the five Meyer-coached teams eligible for the postseason reached a New Year’s Six bowl; all six combined for just three losses in regular-season Big Ten play.

He always had a reputation for being difficult, addicted to the details, micromanaging every detail of his program, however small. At Ohio State, for instance, the desk in Meyer’s office was angled toward the door leading into the Buckeyes’ main football facility — allowing him to see who was going in and out, and when.

Yet you could never argue with the results. Meyer holds a career record of 177-31, which includes earlier, two-year stints at Bowling Green and Utah. His final team at Utah, in 2004, went 12-0 and won the Fiesta Bowl. In the history of the FBS, just three coaches have done better than Meyer’s 85.1 winning percentage.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject:

honestly, I agree with Rece Davis.....it should have been determined if it was a offense worthy of termination or not.....and if not, he should be back at work tomorrow. Appears they attempted some window dressing and tried to split the baby.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject:

He obviously should have been fired. We know why he wasn't. Gotta love amateur sports! Think of the children!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject:

I watched the press conference. It sounded reasonable to me. Meyer made a false statement at the press conference and shares some degree of blame for failing to report the matter to compliance. In a different climate, you could have argued for a lesser punishment, but domestic violence in sports has been a hot button issue since the Ray Rice debacle in 2014. After Ray Rice and the Penn State scandal, the head coach of a major college program had to know that this kind of thing needed to be escalated within the administration. They could have made the AD the fall guy for the whole thing, but Meyer had an independent responsibility. Someone as powerful as Meyer cannot credibly hide behind the AD. Zero punishment was not an option.

Meyer sure looked pissed, though. We got a window to the man's psyche.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:02 pm    Post subject:

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I watched the press conference. It sounded reasonable to me. Meyer made a false statement at the press conference and shares some degree of blame for failing to report the matter to compliance. In a different climate, you could have argued for a lesser punishment, but domestic violence in sports has been a hot button issue since the Ray Rice debacle in 2014. After Ray Rice and the Penn State scandal, the head coach of a major college program had to know that this kind of thing needed to be escalated within the administration. They could have made the AD the fall guy for the whole thing, but Meyer had an independent responsibility. Someone as powerful as Meyer cannot credibly hide behind the AD. Zero punishment was not an option.

Meyer sure looked pissed, though. We got a window to the man's psyche.


https://news.osu.edu/public-records-related-to-the-investigation-into-allegations-involving-urban-meyer/

Read that and tell me again how this is reasonable. If so, congrats! You must be on the board of trustees at Ohio State.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:17 am    Post subject:

I watched the press conference, and Meyer came off looking really bad. He showed absolutely no empathy whatsoever. He read through his own statement as quickly as possible, didn't directly answer whether he thought his punishment was fair or not, and, in what was by far his worst moment, he was asked a question of what he would say to Courtney Smith. He tersely said he would say that he was sorry that everyone was in this situation. That's it? Really? Any response other than "I'm sorry she had to go through that" or something similar shows that there's a disconnect in his brain. Keep in mind that Zach Smith's lawyer, in deflecting his client's apparent physical abuse over a period of years, said that he "shouldn't have married her", as if it's somehow her fault or had it coming. Does Meyer think the same? I couldn't believe his answer to that question.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:24 am    Post subject:

Courtney Smith had already gone to the police. In fact, she did it twice, in 2009 and 2015. The police brought no charges. Courtney Smith filed for divorce and had an attorney. This year, Courtney Smith got the police to bring criminal trespass charges against Zach Smith, as well as a restraining order. I see people trying to fit this case into the "helpless victim whose pleas were ignored" template. That's a square peg and a round hole. Courtney Smith didn't need Urban Meyer to protect her.

Meyer got disciplined because he did not inform OSU compliance of the pending criminal investigation in 2015. The police brought no charges, but in theory OSU could have conducted its own investigation. Personally, I think that there is a significant BS factor with this -- What was OSU going to do when the police found insufficient evidence to bring charges? Later, Meyer might have known what Courtney was telling his wife, but his wife said she never talked to him about it because she didn't believe Courtney.

I don't know. Maybe Courtney Smith really is a victim. That will be decided in a court of law, not on a message board. I've seen too many cases in which people make up this stuff and get other people all fired up about it. I'll wait for a jury to listen to the evidence, if it ever gets that far.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:42 am    Post subject:

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Courtney Smith had already gone to the police. In fact, she did it twice, in 2009 and 2015. The police brought no charges


Isn't that the definition of the "helpless victim whose pleas were ignored"
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:38 am    Post subject:

3 games, would have been 4 or 5 if Tough Guy had beaten his wife to death.

You go Ohio State, well done! LOL
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