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| Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal.
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
That’s ridiculous. The NBA should not punish a team for being successful ESPECIALLY when they are driving up revenue although I think that’s a secondary reason. |
They benefitted from a historic cap spike increase in 2016. They would not have otherwise had a max slot available. The Warriors were certainly a homegrown phenomenon, but I think fans are tiring of the Warriors juggernaut. It's not even competitive with all of them together, and they also added Boogie? Come on.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal. |
How and where would Butler fit on this team? He's a bad fit.
Cousins ain't signing a one year deal. If he did, great, but I don't think he will. Some team will give him a multi-year deal, and he'll tale it. Cousins, even for max money, doesn't want to be a placeholder for a bigger fish.
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| Quote: | Warriors fatigue?
The league is likely experiencing Golden State Warriors fatigue as well. With three championships in four years, the Warriors are amongst the surest bets in sports.
The initial glossiness of Stephen Curry’s squad has worn off, and it’s not surprising if some viewers are tuning out because they believe the outcome of the season is inevitable.
What these bigger issues don’t address is why Sunday’s All-Star game took a dip. James was there in prime time, and Warriors players were split up on different teams.
It’s possible the casual fans who have tuned out because of the above-mentioned reasons didn’t jump back on board during the All-Star break. |
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-star-game-ratings-tie-record-low-continue-year-reason-concern-011450320.html |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal. |
How and where would Butler fit on this team? He's a bad fit.
Cousins ain't signing a one year deal. If he did, great, but I don't think he will. Some team will give him a multi-year deal, and he'll tale it. Cousins, even for max money, doesn't want to be a placeholder for a bigger fish. |
Do you trust Boogie and his Achilles though long term? I don't. It would be premature to sign him to a long term deal IMO. If we do that, LBJ isn't winning a ring here.
I think Jimmy works fine b/c as LBJ ages, we will need a more dependable lead scorer. Jimmy's improved his 3% and attempts to be enough of a floor spacer and a shot creator.
I'm not thrilled about his age, but having a dawg like Jimmy with LBJ isn't a bad thing.
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I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal. |
you want a guy who is on a contender and is complaining for shots?
he is the 1 guy that goes the j noah route and parties too much in LA |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
That’s ridiculous. The NBA should not punish a team for being successful ESPECIALLY when they are driving up revenue although I think that’s a secondary reason. |
They benefitted from a historic cap spike increase in 2016. They would not have otherwise had a max slot available. The Warriors were certainly a homegrown phenomenon, but I think fans are tiring of the Warriors juggernaut. It's not even competitive with all of them together, and they also added Boogie? Come on. |
The fact you’re bitter isn’t a reason to break up a franchise which built themselves into a juggernaut primarily through the draft. Other NBA teams weren’t willing to pay Boogie more than he got in GSW, that’s on other teams. Breaking them up cause they’re successful within the rules is idiotic. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
That’s ridiculous. The NBA should not punish a team for being successful ESPECIALLY when they are driving up revenue although I think that’s a secondary reason. |
They benefitted from a historic cap spike increase in 2016. They would not have otherwise had a max slot available. The Warriors were certainly a homegrown phenomenon, but I think fans are tiring of the Warriors juggernaut. It's not even competitive with all of them together, and they also added Boogie? Come on. |
The fact you’re bitter isn’t a reason to break up a franchise which built themselves into a juggernaut primarily through the draft. Other NBA teams weren’t willing to pay Boogie more than he got in GSW, that’s on other teams. Breaking them up cause they’re successful within the rules is idiotic. |
 NBA is more than happy to tear up teams like the Lakers (the Veto).
I would be fine with Steph/Klay/Dray, but the cap spike to get KD and the resultant invincibility of the team for nearly a half decade? That was an artificial creation IMO.
I'm not saying the NBA should break it up, but that KD leaving would be a good thing. They did it within the existing rules, but that doesn't mean we need to be happy for that team.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal. |
you want a guy who is on a contender and is complaining for shots?
he is the 1 guy that goes the j noah route and parties too much in LA |
What's the proof that he parties too much?
Do you want a 4 year max for Boogie or Jimmy if it came down to it?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
That’s ridiculous. The NBA should not punish a team for being successful ESPECIALLY when they are driving up revenue although I think that’s a secondary reason. |
They benefitted from a historic cap spike increase in 2016. They would not have otherwise had a max slot available. The Warriors were certainly a homegrown phenomenon, but I think fans are tiring of the Warriors juggernaut. It's not even competitive with all of them together, and they also added Boogie? Come on. |
The fact you’re bitter isn’t a reason to break up a franchise which built themselves into a juggernaut primarily through the draft. Other NBA teams weren’t willing to pay Boogie more than he got in GSW, that’s on other teams. Breaking them up cause they’re successful within the rules is idiotic. |
NBA is more than happy to tear up teams like the Lakers (the Veto).
I would be fine with Steph/Klay/Dray, but the cap spike to get KD and the resultant invincibility of the team for nearly a half decade? That was an artificial creation IMO.
I'm not saying the NBA should break it up, but that KD leaving would be a good thing. They did it within the existing rules, but that doesn't mean we need to be happy for that team. |
I misread your initial post, I apologize. I thought you wanted the NBA to interfere. The Lakers situation is part of the reason why I believe they shouldn’t do that. My reasoning is if the Lakers got KD and Bron because of the cap spike, non of us would’ve complained about an artificial creation. Instead we got the powerhouse of MozDeng |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
Warriors honestly deserved it.
3 of their All-Stars are all homegrown. Curry, Klay, Draymond.
They then signed Durant in free agency and did the same with Cousins.
Lakers should be doing that, instead of trying to trade away all their homegrown assets. |
Warriors don't deserve (bleep). West was part of a small rules committee that changed the rules to favor GS's eventual style of play.
It's one thing if all teams are involved in creating new rules. But when a select few do it. And then one of the select few gets to then join a FO and directly benefit from that.
THAT leaves a sour taste in my mouth. And as if that wasn't enough. When people started defending Curry tough off ball. The NBA changed the rules AGAIN. So players can't guard that physically anymore. It's one reason why UTAH struggled early in the season this year. Not to mention the shot clock resetting to 14 seconds instead of 24 now after offensive rebounds. Another rule that disproportionately benefits GS. Since teams were trying to counter their offense by slowing the game down and minimizing the amount of possessions.
Long story short. Screw GS. When the lakers were dominating and winning chips with post play. The rules committee changed things to minimize their effectiveness. The exact opposite has happened with GS. As a Laker fan, it's tough to not be salty. |
Durant, Thompson and Curry weren't even in the league when the rules changed.
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In May, Colangelo's committee presented the proposal to a group of coaches at the NBA draft combine in Chicago and met some vocal opposition. A contingent of coaches who thrived under slower, isolation-oriented offenses expressed concerns that they didn't have the shooters to contend with the reforms.
"I told them, 'Then you better find a shooting coach,'" remembers Embry.
Under normal circumstances, the community of coaches would have had ample opportunity to contest or even obstruct reform proposals such as the ones being submitted, but in this instance, the ad hoc committee wasn't consulting as much as it was decreeing changes. The rules would take effect that fall, and those who resisted, Colangelo told the group, would find themselves left behind by a more modern game.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | If Irving goes to New York, the Celtics would be out of the running for Davis ... and New York, depending on how high their pick is, would be the Lakers' primary competition.
If the Knicks get pick number 2 or 3, pretty sure New Orleans takes that pick (over the Lakers' package) and sends Davis to New York.
Also, with regard to Leonard, I have an extremely hard time imagining Magic "out pitching" Jerry West.
If the Lakers free agent success depends on nabbing Leonard with the Clippers and Nets lurking in the shadows, the Lakers are in bad shape.
They may have to punt space again, if for nothing else than to apply massive amounts of pressure to any team thinking of giving up good assets for Davis.
If the Knicks get the number two pick and sign Irving before a potential Davis trade, none if this matters; it's a wrap, IMO.
In this scenario, the Lakers' only viable option is Cousins.
To recap (going off the general principle that New Orleans will only trade Davis to the Lakers as a last resort and that the Lakers will strikeout on all the "big" names):
-- Knicks sign Irving and get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing Cousins.
-- Knicks sign Irving and don't get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing the best shooter available (Reddick) to a one-year deal.
In this second scenario, the Lakers' primary threat would be the Clippers. West has real assets to throw at New Orleans and the Clippers might roll the dice on teaming Davis and Leonard up, unafraid of the Lakers stealing him outright in 2020.
If this happens (a Clipper trade for Davis), the Lakers would have to decide between punting (a JJ Reddick signing or an Eric Gordon trade), keeping the threat alive of signing Davis in 2020, or simply signing Cousins and ending the gamesmanship.
My early prediction:
-- If New York gets a top pick, the Lakers will lose out on everyone except Cousins.
-- If New York doesn't get a top pick, the Clippers trade for Davis (and sign Leonard), and the Lakers are forced to either pivot to Cousins or punt space with hopes of stealing Davis from West in 2020.
It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
beautifully said, joe
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
Dear lord no.
I think Jimmy may be the other guy, but I can see Boogie as a 1 year placeholder deal. |
How and where would Butler fit on this team? He's a bad fit.
Cousins ain't signing a one year deal. If he did, great, but I don't think he will. Some team will give him a multi-year deal, and he'll tale it. Cousins, even for max money, doesn't want to be a placeholder for a bigger fish. |
Do you trust Boogie and his Achilles though long term? I don't. It would be premature to sign him to a long term deal IMO. If we do that, LBJ isn't winning a ring here.
I think Jimmy works fine b/c as LBJ ages, we will need a more dependable lead scorer. Jimmy's improved his 3% and attempts to be enough of a floor spacer and a shot creator.
I'm not thrilled about his age, but having a dawg like Jimmy with LBJ isn't a bad thing. |
So you just bench some guys then. You're right. I overstated Butler as a bad fit.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team.
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AD going to knicks would be the best thing for the lakers, along with Kyrie.
Lakers will be forced to build a team now then waiting for another garbage max scenario.
build ur team like Sean Marks did with good signings in joe harris, ed davis and napier
lets see if magic/rob can do that over selling another max dream. i doubt they would |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team. |
Cousins is a better fit than Butler. Butler's presence really marginalizes Ingram and/or Kuzma.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team. |
Cousins is a better fit than Butler. Butler's presence really marginalizes Ingram and/or Kuzma. |
agree with this. instead of cousins, i would try to go get vuc |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team. |
Cousins is a better fit than Butler. Butler's presence really marginalizes Ingram and/or Kuzma. |
I don't trust Boogie post Achilles. It's one thing to have KD/Steph/Dray/Klay to lean on, it's another to be relied upon to be the possible #1 guy as LBJ ages, etc. 4 year deal, yikes.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team. |
Cousins is a better fit than Butler. Butler's presence really marginalizes Ingram and/or Kuzma. |
I don't trust Boogie post Achilles. It's one thing to have KD/Steph/Dray/Klay to lean on, it's another to be relied upon to be the possible #1 guy as LBJ ages, etc. 4 year deal, yikes. |
You'd rather have Butler on a four year deal? With this roster?
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | - Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks
- Celtics dont trade for AD without Kyrie.
- Knicks pick slips to 3 or 4 and they keep it.
- Lakers get AD with Knicks and Celtics out.
- Would then love if we could figure a way to get Jimmy Butler for like 28-30m a season.
LeBron + AD + Jimmy Butler
Then use room exception on Trevor Ariza, |
If Knicks get the #3 pick, New Orleans takes that deal over the Lakers deal. |
Not necessarily. Why would the Pels covet Barret, Morant or Reddish or whatever non-Zion player over what the Lakers already offered? Kuzma is arguably better than any of those guys, as is Ingram. Add in Lonzo and it's a no-brainer. |
I hear you, but you sound like another biased Laker fan.
Sending stars to opposite conferences is a real thing (reference the Shaq trade). Kuzma DOES NOT have the same value as a #3 pick in the draft ...
... And, most importantly, spite is one helluva drug.
New Orleans would gladly take the #3 pick over the Lakers' package. |
you have to look at the entire package
we are sending them BI, Ball, AND Kuz... thats 2 #2 draft picks still on rookie contract and Kuz who is a top 10 draft level talent on a late round rookie contract.
That is WAY better than #3 pick plus whatever filler the Knicks have.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | If Irving goes to New York, the Celtics would be out of the running for Davis ... and New York, depending on how high their pick is, would be the Lakers' primary competition.
If the Knicks get pick number 2 or 3, pretty sure New Orleans takes that pick (over the Lakers' package) and sends Davis to New York.
Also, with regard to Leonard, I have an extremely hard time imagining Magic "out pitching" Jerry West.
If the Lakers free agent success depends on nabbing Leonard with the Clippers and Nets lurking in the shadows, the Lakers are in bad shape.
They may have to punt space again, if for nothing else than to apply massive amounts of pressure to any team thinking of giving up good assets for Davis.
If the Knicks get the number two pick and sign Irving before a potential Davis trade, none if this matters; it's a wrap, IMO.
In this scenario, the Lakers' only viable option is Cousins.
To recap (going off the general principle that New Orleans will only trade Davis to the Lakers as a last resort and that the Lakers will strikeout on all the "big" names):
-- Knicks sign Irving and get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing Cousins.
-- Knicks sign Irving and don't get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing the best shooter available (Reddick) to a one-year deal.
In this second scenario, the Lakers' primary threat would be the Clippers. West has real assets to throw at New Orleans and the Clippers might roll the dice on teaming Davis and Leonard up, unafraid of the Lakers stealing him outright in 2020.
If this happens (a Clipper trade for Davis), the Lakers would have to decide between punting (a JJ Reddick signing or an Eric Gordon trade), keeping the threat alive of signing Davis in 2020, or simply signing Cousins and ending the gamesmanship.
My early prediction:
-- If New York gets a top pick, the Lakers will lose out on everyone except Cousins.
-- If New York doesn't get a top pick, the Clippers trade for Davis (and sign Leonard), and the Lakers are forced to either pivot to Cousins or punt space with hopes of stealing Davis from West in 2020.
It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. |
beautifully said, joe |
'Preciate it homie.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I would also assume if we signed Jimmy, we would be making an AD trade or for another all star level player. |
You sign Butler, or any other free agent, you lose any and all leverage in a Davis trade.
The minute the Lakers use their space is the minute other teams come with their best offers.
You either punt and hope to sign Davis in 2020 or sign a multi-year max guy in 2019. Both won't be an option, IMO. |
Sure. But signing Boogie does the same thing.
We would only need to send out 21m in salaries to match up for any AD deal. The team can buy the Lakers/AD bluff, but that wouldn't discount AD going to another non-Lakers team. |
Cousins is a better fit than Butler. Butler's presence really marginalizes Ingram and/or Kuzma. |
I don't trust Boogie post Achilles. It's one thing to have KD/Steph/Dray/Klay to lean on, it's another to be relied upon to be the possible #1 guy as LBJ ages, etc. 4 year deal, yikes. |
You'd rather have Butler on a four year deal? With this roster? |
Compared to Boogie, yes.
You would be deep at the wing positions, which is a great thing in today's NBA.
Really not sure Boogie will be worth 32m/year+ for the next 4 years after that injury.
You could convince me pre Achilles but after, nope. 1 year punt deal? Sure, if it came down to it.
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