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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject:

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Is PG13 the best player in the game?


1st team All-NBA, 1st team All-D


I was one of those who said good riddance to PG13 this past summer, didn't think he was worth the max.

Oops. Add that to the long list of things I've been completely wrong about.


I don't think anyone could have really predicted how well he has played.
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pokoy wrote:
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Is PG13 the best player in the game?


1st team All-NBA, 1st team All-D


I was one of those who said good riddance to PG13 this past summer, didn't think he was worth the max.

Oops. Add that to the long list of things I've been completely wrong about.


even within his biggest supporters on LG, I never saw anyone project him to have a year like he has this season.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject:

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Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:47 pm    Post subject:

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Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


defense, don't be a hater....the guy is playing out of his mind
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


defense, don't be a hater....the guy is playing out of his mind


So is DLo.

Damn Lakers are screwed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:49 pm    Post subject:

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Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


Lebron james is not the GOAT! and will never be. That a bunch of writers who only look at stats. You see lebron, is he good this year.....no. He is a laker and i will root for him but come on. All of see that he is not as great as the hype is. we saw magic and kobe first hand....and this guy does not come close. I know he is at the end of his career but the hype of espn has always been greater than the talent. Still love him as a laker!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject:

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Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


Lebron james is not the GOAT! and will never be. That a bunch of writers who only look at stats. You see lebron, is he good this year.....no. He is a laker and i will root for him but come on. All of see that he is not as great as the hype is. we saw magic and kobe first hand....and this guy does not come close. I know he is at the end of his career but the hype of espn has always been greater than the talent. Still love him as a laker!!!


no matter what me and you think, I expect by the time he retires, the majority narrative will be he is the GOAT....and that narrative will likely last for a couple decades. Each day that passes, less and less people with opinions saw Kareem, Jordan or whoever you think is the GOAT play.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
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defense wrote:
Let's see how he does in the playoffs before we declare him the goat


Lebron james is not the GOAT! and will never be. That a bunch of writers who only look at stats. You see lebron, is he good this year.....no. He is a laker and i will root for him but come on. All of see that he is not as great as the hype is. we saw magic and kobe first hand....and this guy does not come close. I know he is at the end of his career but the hype of espn has always been greater than the talent. Still love him as a laker!!!


Reading context Buddy

yeah i think you were talking about paul george and i talked about lebron....sorry
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:30 pm    Post subject:

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I hope the Lakers go after Vucevic this summer. Seems that he gives Joel Embid a run for his money head to head and he can stretch the floor.



He's a very good player, leaves all on the floor...they'll be lots of
players to choose from in FA but Lakers should go for realistic targets
and not end up with leftovers...


Rework the 2012 trade to have Vucevic come here instead of going to ORL. We would have avoided Dwight and had Vucevic

In fact it would have been much easier than the 4 team trade that actually went down...
76ers receive Bynum 15M (who they actually got)
Lakers receive Vucevic (Rookie deal) + Andre Iguodala 13M

Instead of:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject:

Would have been pretty sweet with PG on the Lakers.


Lonzo
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Portis
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Would have been sweet indeed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:44 pm    Post subject:

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I think Lakers have better package than Clippers and Pelicans will come to senses after those guys out of AD sweepstakes and they will drop the Lakers hate to do right for the business.



Clippers' package could be more enticing to the Pelicans.

Landry Shamet
SGA (he is probably on a similar tier to Lonzo at this point)
Lou Williams (Can easily be moved for another 1st round pick)
2019 Clippers Lottery Pick, 2021 Clippers 1st round pick
2021 Miami Pick (Easily could be a lottery pick).

The advantage of that trade is you have players on their rookie contract for 3 more years instead of having to pay Ingram, Kuzma and Ball big money in 1 and 2 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 pm    Post subject:

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I think Lakers have better package than Clippers and Pelicans will come to senses after those guys out of AD sweepstakes and they will drop the Lakers hate to do right for the business.



Clippers' package could be more enticing to the Pelicans.

Landry Shamet
SGA (he is probably on a similar tier to Lonzo at this point)
Lou Williams (Can easily be moved for another 1st round pick)
2019 Clippers Lottery Pick, 2021 Clippers 1st round pick
2021 Miami Pick (Easily could be a lottery pick).

The advantage of that trade is you have players on their rookie contract for 3 more years instead of having to pay Ingram, Kuzma and Ball big money in 1 and 2 years.


But that 3 Lakers blue chip vs maybe 1 clippers blue chip is 1 season of SGA is enough for Pels... paying big money for a blue chip with 2-3 yrs of proven record worth much more than non-top 3 pick or unproven cheaper player
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject:

Again... why do some of you want to get into a bidding war?

We dodged the bullet... and some of you still want Magic to go back and do the same thing?

The one thing that might stop him from doing Klutch's plan... is if enough fans tell him they think it's not a great idea.

If half are supporting losing the core and draft picks... I have a feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.

We can't beat Philly with a year older LBJ, AD and ringchasers

Probably won't be able to beat GSW if they keep most of their players.

OKC will be stronger with Roberson back... they have developed a really nice defensive unit.

Denver will be stronger adding IT and Michael Porter Jr next year.

Dallas will be decent combining Porzingis to Doncic.

Morey will be wheeling and dealing to improve Houston.

We need to focus on getting the elite free agent

The AD trade should only be a last resort... and even then I think it only works if we can swing a third agent.

Old LBJ plus AD plus no bench and no draft picks = five to ten years of gradual decline... with no horizon in sight.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Palin wrote:
I think Lakers have better package than Clippers and Pelicans will come to senses after those guys out of AD sweepstakes and they will drop the Lakers hate to do right for the business.



Clippers' package could be more enticing to the Pelicans.

Landry Shamet
SGA (he is probably on a similar tier to Lonzo at this point)
Lou Williams (Can easily be moved for another 1st round pick)
2019 Clippers Lottery Pick, 2021 Clippers 1st round pick
2021 Miami Pick (Easily could be a lottery pick).

The advantage of that trade is you have players on their rookie contract for 3 more years instead of having to pay Ingram, Kuzma and Ball big money in 1 and 2 years.


But that 3 Lakers blue chip vs maybe 1 clippers blue chip is 1 season of SGA is enough for Pels... paying big money for a blue chip with 2-3 yrs of proven record worth much more than non-top 3 pick or unproven cheaper player


Would you really want to pay big money to Ingram and Ball at this point? You probably couldn't trade either for a top-10 pick in the up-coming draft because both aren't surefire all-stars, but would require $15m+ a year to resign.

For a team that is rebuilding and playing the long game, I would rather have multiple first round picks that could be lottery picks and players on rookie deals for longer.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Palin wrote:
I think Lakers have better package than Clippers and Pelicans will come to senses after those guys out of AD sweepstakes and they will drop the Lakers hate to do right for the business.



Clippers' package could be more enticing to the Pelicans.

Landry Shamet
SGA (he is probably on a similar tier to Lonzo at this point)
Lou Williams (Can easily be moved for another 1st round pick)
2019 Clippers Lottery Pick, 2021 Clippers 1st round pick
2021 Miami Pick (Easily could be a lottery pick).

The advantage of that trade is you have players on their rookie contract for 3 more years instead of having to pay Ingram, Kuzma and Ball big money in 1 and 2 years.


But that 3 Lakers blue chip vs maybe 1 clippers blue chip is 1 season of SGA is enough for Pels... paying big money for a blue chip with 2-3 yrs of proven record worth much more than non-top 3 pick or unproven cheaper player


Something the clippers can do too is deal Galinari which will be a lucrative expiring salary while at the same time absorbing Jrue Holiday's contract, something I'm sure the Pelicans would consider since they are committed to pay him $26 million over the next four years. The Clippers would still be able to sign another star like Kawhi Leonard and have another $13 million in cap space or so

Thus the Clipper roster next year could be

Zubac
Davis
Kawhi
$13 Million Cap Space
Jrue Holiday
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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Inspector Gadget wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
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Is singing another Klutcher really the best idea?


doesnt matter. why is kieff picking non playoff team in lakers over rockets?

ya we not making playoffs when lebron is in cruise mode


Rockets are pretty stacked at the big man spot, why would Markieff go there to ride the pine? Capela should be coming back soon and Faried has been balling out, there big man rotation is set with Capela/Faried/NeNe... if he comes here he will get a lot of minutes.


No we aren't. Nene is done and Faired is a backup C for us. Neither can be used as a PF in our system. We are lacking forwards, so much that Harden starts at the 3 now. Tucker is playing too many minutes. We've been playing Green and d-league dudes too much at the 3. He'd play over every forward but Tucker and maybe Shumpert.


you talking about defense? Cause you guys still just run that one man offense, right?


The one man offense should stop once Capela is back, assuming CP3 doesn't get hurt again (who knows on that one).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:24 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Would have been pretty sweet with PG on the Lakers.


Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Portis
McGee

Would have been sweet indeed.


Not that I don't like we got LeBron, but I was one that thought we'd be better off having PG than him because his timeline fit our young core better. Not in a million years would I foresee him having this insane season and making that an absolute truth.
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AirKobe8 wrote:
epak wrote:
Would have been pretty sweet with PG on the Lakers.


Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Portis
McGee

Would have been sweet indeed.


Not that I don't like we got LeBron, but I was one that thought we'd be better off having PG than him because his timeline fit our young core better. Not in a million years would I foresee him having this insane season and making that an absolute truth.


Nor would you have foreseen PG choosing to stay with OKC rather than joining his supposed “favorite team” the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 am    Post subject:

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AirKobe8 wrote:
epak wrote:
Would have been pretty sweet with PG on the Lakers.


Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Portis
McGee

Would have been sweet indeed.


Not that I don't like we got LeBron, but I was one that thought we'd be better off having PG than him because his timeline fit our young core better. Not in a million years would I foresee him having this insane season and making that an absolute truth.


Nor would you have foreseen PG choosing to stay with OKC rather than joining his supposed “favorite team” the Lakers.


That "favorite team" and "only will re-sign with the Lakers" stuff is a tactic players and their agents use and leak to the media so that if they do get traded, the team that does it doesn't trade the barn for them.

Easiest way to ensure that recognition and make it go viral, is drop the Lakers name into it.

We've been used as leverage for 3 free agency periods now.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:06 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
Again... why do some of you want to get into a bidding war?

We dodged the bullet... and some of you still want Magic to go back and do the same thing?

The one thing that might stop him from doing Klutch's plan... is if enough fans tell him they think it's not a great idea.

If half are supporting losing the core and draft picks... I have a feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.

We can't beat Philly with a year older LBJ, AD and ringchasers

Probably won't be able to beat GSW if they keep most of their players.

OKC will be stronger with Roberson back... they have developed a really nice defensive unit.

Denver will be stronger adding IT and Michael Porter Jr next year.

Dallas will be decent combining Porzingis to Doncic.

Morey will be wheeling and dealing to improve Houston.

We need to focus on getting the elite free agent

The AD trade should only be a last resort... and even then I think it only works if we can swing a third agent.

Old LBJ plus AD plus no bench and no draft picks = five to ten years of gradual decline... with no horizon in sight.

So what happens if we miss out on all the top guys?

You want us to max a guy like Middleton, Tobias, or Boogie?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 am    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
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epak wrote:
Would have been pretty sweet with PG on the Lakers.


Lonzo
PG
Lebron
Portis
McGee

Would have been sweet indeed.


Not that I don't like we got LeBron, but I was one that thought we'd be better off having PG than him because his timeline fit our young core better. Not in a million years would I foresee him having this insane season and making that an absolute truth.


Nor would you have foreseen PG choosing to stay with OKC rather than joining his supposed “favorite team” the Lakers.


Actually I was never too confident he'd sign with us. It was always evident from the start that he was happy in OKC, and I also thought if it came down to leaving OKC, he could see Philly as a better fit (and it was).
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Sentient Meat wrote:
Again... why do some of you want to get into a bidding war?

We dodged the bullet... and some of you still want Magic to go back and do the same thing?

The one thing that might stop him from doing Klutch's plan... is if enough fans tell him they think it's not a great idea.

If half are supporting losing the core and draft picks... I have a feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.

We can't beat Philly with a year older LBJ, AD and ringchasers

Probably won't be able to beat GSW if they keep most of their players.

OKC will be stronger with Roberson back... they have developed a really nice defensive unit.

Denver will be stronger adding IT and Michael Porter Jr next year.

Dallas will be decent combining Porzingis to Doncic.

Morey will be wheeling and dealing to improve Houston.

We need to focus on getting the elite free agent

The AD trade should only be a last resort... and even then I think it only works if we can swing a third agent.

Old LBJ plus AD plus no bench and no draft picks = five to ten years of gradual decline... with no horizon in sight.


is this some sort of sonnet?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:05 am    Post subject:

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So what happens if we miss out on all the top guys?


THAT is why you develop properly. Had the Lakers done that, they wouldn't be in such a worried position of "what if we miss out on all the top guys" because the youngsters they invested in would be putting up the stats of "those guys" you mentioned as the 'insteads' we'd have to max, except we'd have a cap advantage because we'd have their Bird's rights.

The problem is when people see developing young talent as weakness, or giving up, Randle and Russell would be available to help LeBron right now as a result of being believed in and developing while they were here and the time they spent working on their games.

But the perception if you say "Develop your young talent so you aren't left with nothing in case 'getting a max every year' doesn't work out in your favor" as a bad thing. It's not, it's a smart thing, and when your talent develops into something, it's a fantastic bonus and what you should strive for. And if you can add a max TO a team with developed young talent about to break out, that's even better.

The new FO forgot half the equation that we were supposed to benefit from after those years of development, so now we are where we are now.
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