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fansincemagic
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I believe we would have his Early Bird rights so yes, we can pay him dramatically more than he's earning now. They could give him $10m/year for example if they wanted, but then you have all the other FAs and then the luxury tax. |
Kief worth $10m/yr |
That's a lot...but just saying they could theoretically do it. I think there may have been a little wink-wink going on where Kieff took the minimum knowing that the team would have his early bird rights next offseason. |
Could very well be. He gets paid, and I'd assume could be 10M in trade fodder at the deadline. Theoretically could deal the drafted 1st, Morris, Gasol and McKinnie for a guy making almost 18M, even more if KCP is included. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I believe we would have his Early Bird rights so yes, we can pay him dramatically more than he's earning now. They could give him $10m/year for example if they wanted, but then you have all the other FAs and then the luxury tax. |
I'm not sure how you get to $10M with the Early Bird exception. It looks to me like we would max out under $5M.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I believe we would have his Early Bird rights so yes, we can pay him dramatically more than he's earning now. They could give him $10m/year for example if they wanted, but then you have all the other FAs and then the luxury tax. |
I'm not sure how you get to $10M with the Early Bird exception. It looks to me like we would max out under $5M. |
You are right. It’s something like 175% of previous salary, right?
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| Larry Coon wrote: | | EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 32 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 105% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater (see question number 31 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 8% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
| Code: | Season Estimated average salary Average salary
2017-18 $7,843,500 $8,457,000
2018-19 $8,838,000 $9,148,000
2019-20 $9,560,000 $9,569,000
2020-21 $10,000,000 TBD |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q31 |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chick's Magic Johnson wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Was hoping Magic would waive Otto Porter Jr lol |
Otto Porter Jr is a good player why would the Magic waive him? They just had a fire sale by basically dumping Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic they are in no rush to give on a player who can help them next year. |
Isn't he an expiring though? |
They can just use him as a valuable trade piece in the summer. |
He's an expiring, which means he's an unrestricted FA in the summer. How can they use him as a valuable trade piece? I'm no expert and I'm wrong sometimes, but it's really helpful to try to read up on some things before you blurt out "facts." |
can’t teams S&T players who are UFAs? |
Yes. But the player has to agree to it. |
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| Wolverine wrote: | | Larry Coon wrote: | | EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 32 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 105% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater (see question number 31 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 8% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
| Code: | Season Estimated average salary Average salary
2017-18 $7,843,500 $8,457,000
2018-19 $8,838,000 $9,148,000
2019-20 $9,560,000 $9,569,000
2020-21 $10,000,000 TBD |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q31 |
Thanks wolverine, great stuff. 👍🏻 |
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| Wolverine wrote: | | Larry Coon wrote: | | EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 32 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 105% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater (see question number 31 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 8% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
| Code: | Season Estimated average salary Average salary
2017-18 $7,843,500 $8,457,000
2018-19 $8,838,000 $9,148,000
2019-20 $9,560,000 $9,569,000
2020-21 $10,000,000 TBD |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q31 |
Kieff about to get his $10M, then |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| That looked very bad for murray |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
Nope. His knee buckled with no contact as he was driving to the rim. He was grabbing at the knee as he was trying to go up for the layup. He looked like he was in a lot of pain. Only possible good sign is that it looks like the pain subsided enough for him to waive off the wheelchair and instead hop off the floor with the support of the trainer without putting weight on the leg. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
Much worse. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hopefully Murray is okay. It would really suck for him to sustain a major injury when the game was basically over. Under a minute left and the team was down like 8 points to the Dubs. With a guy who shoots fts like Steph does, There was maybe a 5 percent chance at best the Nuggets get that win even if Murray made the layup he was trying to explode for. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
Much worse. |
Via Reddit: https://streamable.com/gyxhlc
It doesn't look good. No contact, normal jump and he crumbled in an absolute heap.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
Much worse. |
Via Reddit: https://streamable.com/gyxhlc
It doesn't look good. No contact, normal jump and he crumbled in an absolute heap. |
But I don't see any tweak on that knee, just a weird angle after he step it on the floor. Hopefully it's not too serious. Joel's embiid's injury looked more painful but he returned after only missing some games. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | That looked very bad for murray |
Sometimes it ends up not being as bad as it looks, but man did that not look good. He seemed to be in a lot of pain. |
similar to LeBron’s injury? |
Much worse. |
Via Reddit: https://streamable.com/gyxhlc
It doesn't look good. No contact, normal jump and he crumbled in an absolute heap. |
But I don't see any tweak on that knee, just a weird angle after he step it on the floor. Hopefully it's not too serious. Joel's embiid's injury looked more painful but he returned after only missing some games. |
Reminded me of what happened to D-Rose.. he stomped on a hop step... and immediately was in immense pain and on the ground holding his knee.
That's not what I wanted to be reminded of.. Hope Murray is okay.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Hopefully Murray is okay. It would really suck for him to sustain a major injury when the game was basically over. Under a minute left and the team was down like 8 points to the Dubs. With a guy who shoots fts like Steph does, There was maybe a 5 percent chance at best the Nuggets get that win even if Murray made the layup he was trying to explode for. |
Looking at Silver and his desire to push as close to a new season with minimal rest in between.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr on Twitter saying it might be a ACL injury |
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| Pretty dumb decision by Mike Malone to have his star in the game when it’s already over he should have pulled Murray earlier.. this is why load management exists. |
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| Denver was one of the teams that went deep into the playoffs and got minimal rest. Starting the season early just so they can match up with the Olympics was a stupid decision on the league's part. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Pretty dumb decision by Mike Malone to have his star in the game when it’s already over he should have pulled Murray earlier.. this is why load management exists. |
That's why it makes sense at least THIS YEAR for some teams to 'load management'.
Hindsight is 20/20 and like D-Rose with Thibs, Malone shouldn't have had Murray in the game. But again it's 20/20 hindsight.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Pretty dumb decision by Mike Malone to have his star in the game when it’s already over he should have pulled Murray earlier.. this is why load management exists. |
He didn’t play in the previous 4 games, so this is not related to rest |
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If it is an ACL that would be so damn sad. Was just listening to a Zach Lowe pod where they were talking about the Jokic/Murray/Porter trio being special for years to come.
Of course a ACL injury doesn't mean that is over, but you never know how he returns. Injuries suck. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Whether this is an ACL or other sort of serious injury, it's worth noting that he's been out for quite a few games already because of his other knee. |
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