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pjiddy
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| Coaxing Wade out of retirement still feels like the most realistic option. |
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| AY2043 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Is Clarkson outside of our pay-range? |
I strongly doubt LeBron wants to be reunited with "Jordan Crawford" |
Speaking of “Crawford”s, might as well just sing Jamal for the minimum. Probably rather have him than Clarkson. |
Y'all are being ridiculous. Clarkson is actually a net-neutral player and shoots a respectable percentage from 3. All we need is a microwave shot-creator off the bench, so I would take a slightly net-negative player if it means we can add that wrinkle to our team. Even though he's dumb as rocks.
Jamal Crawford would be the worst player in the league to play more than 10 minutes. He's a corpse. |
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cital
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Coaxing Wade out of retirement still feels like the most realistic option. |
Oh Damn |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Is Clarkson outside of our pay-range? |
I strongly doubt LeBron wants to be reunited with "Jordan Crawford" |
Speaking of “Crawford”s, might as well just sing Jamal for the minimum. Probably rather have him than Clarkson. |
Y'all are being ridiculous. Clarkson is actually a net-neutral player and shoots a respectable percentage from 3. All we need is a microwave shot-creator off the bench, so I would take a slightly net-negative player if it means we can add that wrinkle to our team. Even though he's dumb as rocks.
Jamal Crawford would be the worst player in the league to play more than 10 minutes. He's a corpse. |
Like you said...he’s dumb as Rocks. No thank you
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The biggest obstacle for these trades is that the FO (and potentially the coaching staff) overvalues Kuzma and Rondo.
They likely don't think this team has a 2nd creator issue as they think highly of Rondo.
They also won't trade for a player that impacts the 2021 plan, which Covington does (though his salary would be close to Kuzma's cap-hold). |
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PNWlakers
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Kuzma has a poor 1st step and handles, hard for him to create shots for himself. |
THIS.
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| PNWlakers wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Kuzma has a poor 1st step and handles, hard for him to create shots for himself. |
THIS. |
He should focus on coming off screens and firing then.
Maybe that could evolve into a strength.
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manlisten
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Kuzma is better at attacking smaller players than he is slower players. I'd say it's a pretty significant difference for him.
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | Kuzma is better at attacking smaller players than he is slower players. I'd say it's a pretty significant difference for him. |
Odd. You think both would present him with opportunity
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| cital wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Coaxing Wade out of retirement still feels like the most realistic option. |
Oh Damn |
Let’s do it! |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | The biggest obstacle for these trades is that the FO (and potentially the coaching staff) overvalues Kuzma and Rondo.
They likely don't think this team has a 2nd creator issue as they think highly of Rondo.
They also won't trade for a player that impacts the 2021 plan, which Covington does (though his salary would be close to Kuzma's cap-hold). |
I really don't see that as a big deal. He would be an expiring on a reasonable contract, a useful 3-and-D expirer. We can't be hamstrung by not trying to improve our roster (within reason) just because of concerns about 2021 free agency. |
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If you dropped 3rd year Randle, Russell, Ingram, or Lonzo into Kuzma's spot of "we hope he can be our 3rd star/6MOY", we'd all find faults in all of them and concerns in all of them.. It's the nature off young players to struggle to play winning basketball. Not everyone is Luka or Lebron right out the gate.
I still believe Kuzma will come around to becoming the efficient bench scorer we need. Just has to find that balance being himself in winning style of basketball. |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Is Clarkson outside of our pay-range? |
I strongly doubt LeBron wants to be reunited with "Jordan Crawford" |
Speaking of “Crawford”s, might as well just sing Jamal for the minimum. Probably rather have him than Clarkson. |
Y'all are being ridiculous. Clarkson is actually a net-neutral player and shoots a respectable percentage from 3. All we need is a microwave shot-creator off the bench, so I would take a slightly net-negative player if it means we can add that wrinkle to our team. Even though he's dumb as rocks.
Jamal Crawford would be the worst player in the league to play more than 10 minutes. He's a corpse. |
His last four games would suggest otherwise (31.3 ppg on 55% FG, 50% from 3).
The concern is, if you look at games where he played sparingly (<20mins) last season, he definitely struggled in those. And there's no way he averages 20 minutes with the Lakers.
I see Clarkson as being a great option to handle the ball at the end of games in FT lineups. He would also do well when LeBron is resting, and Rondo isn't playing. But if Rondo is healthy, I don't see a consistent role for JC on this team.
How many times did Cleveland try to add an extra on-ball guard to play with LeBron? How many times did it work? The only two guards that excelled next to him were All-NBA type players. |
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PayasoLoco
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| 2019 wrote: | If you dropped 3rd year Randle, Russell, Ingram, or Lonzo into Kuzma's spot of "we hope he can be our 3rd star/6MOY", we'd all find faults in all of them and concerns in all of them.. It's the nature off young players to struggle to play winning basketball. Not everyone is Luka or Lebron right out the gate.
I still believe Kuzma will come around to becoming the efficient bench scorer we need. Just has to find that balance being himself in winning style of basketball. |
3rd year dlo/ingram/zo/randle werent 24 years old and already had shown more than kuzma by then. Kuz is who he is a bench player that chucks sometimes hes hot and most of the time hes off. Hes trying on defensive end but he still cant create for himself or others. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Jordan Clarkson? No.
There is no good scenario imo, in which Jordan should have the ball in his hands for our team for any significant amount of time. |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | I don't think the Lakers know how to optimize Kuz, and Kuz also doesn't know how to optimize himself, because his game doesn't have an identity....he was a blank slate coming into the league and still is. He's just been floating around out there because he doesn't know how to get his offense going, or if the team wants him to ISO, or if he's good at it. playing next to 2 big men also hurts his space for cuts and drives. His defense is also liable to give up as much as he scores....even if his defense has improved to meh; if you get hunted in this league as a meh defender teams will score and make you look below par...great offense beats meh defense.
A 1v1 wing defender is very important for us... I'll take that bird in hand over the question marks with Kuz. |
Kuzma's only played 3% of his minutes this season next to two bigs, if he's not cutting/driving, it's probably because he can't, or hasn't learned. He is a great bad shot maker, and at 6'8 w/ a high release point, this is something that can save a team struggling to create offense during a stretch of bad possessions.
If he doesn't improve in his weaknesses, and continues to lose vision of cutters and missing his defensive rotations, then he's on the trading block.
However, he may be the last real trade asset we have in a while (besides the 2020 pick), so we would need to make this trade count. Because of this (and the Stepien rule), we may want to consider holding off on a trade until the summer, and just hit the buyout market. |
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| dcastillo wrote: | | I know the play in 2021 offseason is Greak Freak but if they doesn’t happened what do you guys think about going after Olidipo or Drummond? |
With what money?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Coaxing Wade out of retirement still feels like the most realistic option. |
I could see that.
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| The real Lakers plus minus thread shows we need a consistent 3rd guy, 2 way guy, who can hold the fort when LeBron sits |
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ringfinger
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| governator wrote: | | The real Lakers plus minus thread shows we need a consistent 3rd guy, 2 way guy, who can hold the fort when LeBron sits |
We likely won’t get that guy because the only guys that make sense are those Lou Will type guys and how are we gonna get that?
Meaning, guys who can go and get their own buckets. We don’t run plays for others outside of AD/LBJ. |
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Dr. Laker
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| governator wrote: | | The real Lakers plus minus thread shows we need a consistent 3rd guy, 2 way guy, who can hold the fort when LeBron sits |
Most consistent, 2-way guys don't consider themselves as "3rd guys."
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https://mobile.twitter.com/chase_shannon/status/1205323122397851648
Tristan would be an interesting option other than Memphis’s pick of the litter in Iggy/Jae. I mean how much more can we expect from them when they already gave us Av and Dwight, right? Haha
Bron’s boy/Klutch klient
His baby and baby momma live in LA
Expiring deal/buyout candidate
Adds to frontline depth behind AD/Bron/Dwight/McGee
Plays behind AD and at center so AD never has to play the 5 during the regular season
Moves Kuz to exclusively play the 3 behind Bron, which will help him in recovering and preventing future injuries
Waive/move Dudz to take over our official twitter account and other socials for community outreach and fan tix giveaways
(bleep) up this small ball league with our ridiculous lengf
Gives Bron/AD legit minutes on the bench during the regular season, so they legs fresh to death when the real season starts
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Quinn Cook for Josh Jackson works.
Or waive somebody and sign Jonathan Simmons.
With Josh Jackson:
PG - James - Rondo - Tucker
SG - Bradley - Caruso - Daniels
C - McGee - Howard - (Cousins) - Cacok
PF - Davis - Kuzma - Dudley - Antetekounmpo
SF - Green - Pope - Jackson
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Quinn Cook for Josh Jackson works.
Or waive somebody and sign Jonathan Simmons.
With Josh Jackson:
PG - James - Rondo - Tucker
SG - Bradley - Caruso - Daniels
C - McGee - Howard - (Cousins) - Cacok
PF - Davis - Kuzma - Dudley - Antetekounmpo
SF - Green - Pope - Jackson |
Josh Jackson is immature and emotionally unstable. There are too many other guys available who won't bring drama.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | If you dropped 3rd year Randle, Russell, Ingram, or Lonzo into Kuzma's spot of "we hope he can be our 3rd star/6MOY", we'd all find faults in all of them and concerns in all of them.. It's the nature off young players to struggle to play winning basketball. Not everyone is Luka or Lebron right out the gate.
I still believe Kuzma will come around to becoming the efficient bench scorer we need. Just has to find that balance being himself in winning style of basketball. |
3rd year dlo/ingram/zo/randle werent 24 years old and already had shown more than kuzma by then. Kuz is who he is a bench player that chucks sometimes hes hot and most of the time hes off. Hes trying on defensive end but he still cant create for himself or others. |
3rd year players are still 3rd year players whether 24 or 22....
He's shown in the past to be able to score effectively so unless people think he just forgot how to play a la Markelle Fultz, perhaps is just an issue of trying to find his way while playing with 2 true superstars and in a completely new offense that requires a more nuanced understanding of the game? |
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