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| LFAN4LIFE wrote: | KAWHI UPDATE....
| Quote: | | Kawhi and the Clippers have a meeting "tentatively scheduled" for July 2nd, per Frank Isola |
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if true....not good at all unless we are scheduled for July 1st. |
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| Jack's Room wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year 
LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous. |
I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum |
seth might be the better defender, tho |
No way I agree with that. Seth can only play avg defense against his brother. I wouldn't pay more than vet min for him. Even at room MLE we could do better. |
"room MLE" isn't a thing.
Bullock is a fake defender. |
Saying "Room MLE" is an abbreviated way of saying "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" as outlined in the CBA. Here's the relevant portion on page 206: https://i.imgur.com/xPFI2KM.png
Here's a HoopsHype article breaking down the three kinds of MLEs available and using the same verbiage:
| Quote: | Room Mid-Level Exception ($2.898 million in 2016-17):
“Room” is the lowest of the three mid-level exceptions and available to teams that are under the cap enough to lose the more valuable exceptions. The room exception is also shorter in terms of maximum years, and players can only be signed up to two years. |
So yes, it is a thing. |
(bleep) garbage verbiage. You are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I concede, I was wrong.
Reggie Bullock is a fake defender.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| But also to add to my response to you BVH. when the advanced stats are that low.. yea you can't even ballpark a plausibility that he's solid there |
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| adkindo wrote: | | LFAN4LIFE wrote: | KAWHI UPDATE....
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if true....not good at all unless we are scheduled for July 1st. |
not worried at all.
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if he still picks Clippers over raptors/Lakers, then meh. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year
LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous. |
I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum |
seth might be the better defender, tho |
really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable |
Idk...
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Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list. |
eeek. still so hard to suss out the legitimacy of defensive analytics |
Agreed, but most of us make definitive opinions about a player's defense based on...? |
right right. there's really no accurate way to pinpoint a player's defense other than a intelligent viewer really honing in on that player's every possession.lol.
just, when a stat has Klay Thompson miles below Seth Curry on defense. it's tough. I'd like to think Klay was at least an average defender (overrated but average), and Seth was slightly below average at best. Some of the rankings are just so nuts, you don't know where to take a large grain of salt, where to take a small grain, and where you should view it as accurate.
I was looking at PIPM yesterday and Nurkic is like the 9th ranked player in the league, above Bron; and Kawhi is like 15tth..with an expected 19th next season. How do I ingest these stats? |
Try to contextualize them. If I have a big that seems to be overrated, maybe that stat overrates bigs vis-a-vis wings?
But why couldn't a guard like Seth Curry be better defensively this year than a guard like Klay Thompson?
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Jack's Room wrote: |
Saying "Room MLE" is an abbreviated way of saying "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" as outlined in the CBA. Here's the relevant portion on page 206: https://i.imgur.com/xPFI2KM.png
Here's a HoopsHype article breaking down the three kinds of MLEs available and using the same verbiage:
| Quote: | Room Mid-Level Exception ($2.898 million in 2016-17):
“Room” is the lowest of the three mid-level exceptions and available to teams that are under the cap enough to lose the more valuable exceptions. The room exception is also shorter in terms of maximum years, and players can only be signed up to two years. |
So yes, it is a thing. |
(bleep) garbage verbiage. You are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I concede, I was wrong.
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Haha, why? It's short and sweet. Sure beats having to type out "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" especially when we're posting our desired rosters. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | But also to add to my response to you BVH. when the advanced stats are that low.. yea you can't even ballpark a plausibility that he's solid there |
not sure I agree with the logic because DRPM often has extreme outliers at the top of its rankings, therefore would that not suggest there would likely be extreme outliers at the bottom of its rankings? |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Giannis won MVP |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| LAL1947 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Jack's Room wrote: |
Saying "Room MLE" is an abbreviated way of saying "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" as outlined in the CBA. Here's the relevant portion on page 206: https://i.imgur.com/xPFI2KM.png
Here's a HoopsHype article breaking down the three kinds of MLEs available and using the same verbiage:
| Quote: | Room Mid-Level Exception ($2.898 million in 2016-17):
“Room” is the lowest of the three mid-level exceptions and available to teams that are under the cap enough to lose the more valuable exceptions. The room exception is also shorter in terms of maximum years, and players can only be signed up to two years. |
So yes, it is a thing. |
(bleep) garbage verbiage. You are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I concede, I was wrong.
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Haha, why? It's short and sweet. Sure beats having to type out "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" especially when we're posting our desired rosters. |
I mean, what does mid-level mean anymore? It's lost all meaning if both under the cap and over the cap teams have MLEs. It's like Big Bird (bleep) Kermit the Frog.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Clearly Anthony Davis is better.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Amazing. What an amazing life story. One of my favorite nba players.
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| adkindo wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | But also to add to my response to you BVH. when the advanced stats are that low.. yea you can't even ballpark a plausibility that he's solid there |
not sure I agree with the logic because DRPM often has extreme outliers at the top of its rankings, therefore would that not suggest there would likely be extreme outliers at the bottom of its rankings? |
Or that none of us have any conception of what good defense is but think we do.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year
LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous. |
I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum |
seth might be the better defender, tho |
really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable |
Idk...
Link
Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list. |
eeek. still so hard to suss out the legitimacy of defensive analytics |
Agreed, but most of us make definitive opinions about a player's defense based on...? |
right right. there's really no accurate way to pinpoint a player's defense other than a intelligent viewer really honing in on that player's every possession.lol.
just, when a stat has Klay Thompson miles below Seth Curry on defense. it's tough. I'd like to think Klay was at least an average defender (overrated but average), and Seth was slightly below average at best. Some of the rankings are just so nuts, you don't know where to take a large grain of salt, where to take a small grain, and where you should view it as accurate.
I was looking at PIPM yesterday and Nurkic is like the 9th ranked player in the league, above Bron; and Kawhi is like 15tth..with an expected 19th next season. How do I ingest these stats? |
Try to contextualize them. If I have a big that seems to be overrated, maybe that stat overrates bigs vis-a-vis wings?
But why couldn't a guard like Seth Curry be better defensively this year than a guard like Klay Thompson? |
yea I forgot that golden analytics rule that bigs get overrated. I'm sure there will be new contextual law that has to be applied so these things make more sense...
Yea Thompson could be in more positions to get 'attacked' with his PT and role on the team; vs Seth.
Idk man. it's questionable context that eyes could cement the value of.
I just want a super reliable advanced stat.. is it BPM? is it RPM... idk man. and then all the grain of salt sizes. it's so much... to value as much as people do. not my lane.
I like lineup data and on-ball defensive FG % more.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Clearly Anthony Davis is better. |
AD only played 51 games....could not be considered. |
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I'm on the DLo over Brogdon team... but it is impressive the company that he's in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club
It is notable that his playoff numbers are significantly lower though.
Obviously I wouldn't be upset if we signed him... but we need to get DRose or Rondo... or some other low cost facilitator to balance the lack of playmaking if we signed him. Unless Caruso immediately blossoms into a full fledged rotation or starter... Brogdon's usefulness would be limited by not having a traditional point guard. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Clearly Anthony Davis is better. |
AD only played 51 games....could not be considered. |
Well, I'm sure AD will win MVP next season then.
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Bullock's defense was horrifically bad wearing purple 'n gold. I have zero desire to see him come back next season, especially since his supposed stregnth of a 3-point shot was so unreliable.
Muscala on the other hand surprised me with how well he stayed in front of guards on pick and roll switches. He even became better at the three on our team (after he healed up) as the season wore on.
I'd take Kevon Looney as a solid role playing big if a third top tier signing doesn't work out (and Bropez goes somewhere else). If that also doesn't come together, I wouldn't be mad if we signed Muscala for a decent price at that slot.
Extra: Brogdon >> DLo for what we need (defense + consistent shot% + low ego). I'd try to outbid the Bucks for him if we don't get Kawhi and resign ourselves to improving our depth.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | But also to add to my response to you BVH. when the advanced stats are that low.. yea you can't even ballpark a plausibility that he's solid there |
not sure I agree with the logic because DRPM often has extreme outliers at the top of its rankings, therefore would that not suggest there would likely be extreme outliers at the bottom of its rankings? |
Or that none of us have any conception of what good defense is but think we do. |
you may not, but I am good |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | I'm on the DLo over Brogdon team... but it is impressive the company that he's in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club
It is notable that his playoff numbers are significantly lower though.
Obviously I wouldn't be upset if we signed him... but we need to get DRose or Rondo... or some other low cost facilitator to balance the lack of playmaking if we signed him. Unless Caruso immediately blossoms into a full fledged rotation or starter... Brogdon's usefulness would be limited by not having a traditional point guard. |
Brogdon is a lot better. Rather have him. |
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I know this isn't even the analytic we're talking about, but most analytic people like this one - PIPM. Where Kawhi has a 19th expected PIPM next year, and Tobias has 140th..
.. just throw the stat out. anyone who references it is also clinging to it for weird reasons with this data.
And yes I get that Kawhi didn't have a great defensive reg szn, and Tobias is not a top 30 player. But.. still, throw the stat out |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | But also to add to my response to you BVH. when the advanced stats are that low.. yea you can't even ballpark a plausibility that he's solid there |
not sure I agree with the logic because DRPM often has extreme outliers at the top of its rankings, therefore would that not suggest there would likely be extreme outliers at the bottom of its rankings? |
Or that none of us have any conception of what good defense is but think we do. |
you may not, but I am good |
Of course.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | I know this isn't even the analytic we're talking about, but most analytic people like this one - PIPM. Where Kawhi has a 19th expected PIPM next year, and Tobias has 140th..
.. just throw the stat out. anyone who references it is also clinging to it for weird reasons with this data.
And yes I get that Kawhi didn't have a great defensive reg szn, and Tobias is not a top 30 player. But.. still, throw the stat out |
Or Tobias Harris is useless.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Clearly Anthony Davis is better. |
AD only played 51 games....could not be considered. |
Well, I'm sure AD will win MVP next season then. |
someone on television recently predicted that....do not recall who it was....someone on ESPN or FS1 morning shows. AD was 3rd in voting last season (17-18). |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Giannis won MVP |
Clearly Anthony Davis is better. |
AD only played 51 games....could not be considered. |
Well, I'm sure AD will win MVP next season then. |
someone on television recently predicted that....do not recall who it was....someone on ESPN or FS1 morning shows. AD was 3rd in voting last season (17-18). |
Then he should win MVP next season if he was third in voting last season. That's how these things work
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | I know this isn't even the analytic we're talking about, but most analytic people like this one - PIPM. Where Kawhi has a 19th expected PIPM next year, and Tobias has 140th..
.. just throw the stat out. anyone who references it is also clinging to it for weird reasons with this data.
And yes I get that Kawhi didn't have a great defensive reg szn, and Tobias is not a top 30 player. But.. still, throw the stat out |
I think that was the one created by someone @ Nylon Calculus. Never really looked at it. |
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