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Jesusdelonla
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think some room exception level bigs (price wise) are more like Ed Davis/Vonleh.
Brook is going to be paid at least the full MLE, and Dedmon may get slightly above the room exception. Maybe he may take a cut to join a contending Lakers team. |
what vet wings you have in mind?
Ariza
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All will be too expensive with the room exception.
This is why I'd prefer either a 2 max FA (LBJ + 2019 FA) + depth
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AD/LBJ + use 25-30m in cap space for depth on non-expiring deals.
Getting 3 stars sounds great, and I wouldn't be upset about it, but it's at the cost of depth. If the 3rd star to add to LBJ/AD is KL, then yes by all means. If it's Tobias, yeah, rather have more depth. |
keep 1 of zo/bi, kuz, hart. remaining cap is 18-19mil i think.
sign shooters with those |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
I'll gladly take a championship from LBJ/AD/3rd star.
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How soon we forget. We were in the 4th spot when James went down. We have a solid base to build from. We don't need to tear it down for one player.
Davis would be welcome but I wouldn't gut our talented youth squad to get him. I'm not a believer in the win now strategy. Go slow do it right. Take a page from (and don't rail me, think about it) Danny Angie's book. He may be a Celt but he did it right.
Not to beat a dead horse but we were also doing well before Magic wanted to send all of our youth to NO for AD. That path killed the chemistry which was never reinvigorated.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | We are lucky because there are many paths to bring us to our rightful position of being one of the better teams in the league. |
This is what I've been preaching. There are lots of paths here and they don't end with AD/no AD. |
Truth. My most desired path is to just sign Kawhi. That's it. Sign Kawhi and keep the #4 and YUTES 
Lonzo/Garland
BI/Hart
Kawhi
Lebron/Kuz
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yinoma2001
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| jodeke wrote: | How soon we forget. We were in the 4th spot when James went down. We have a solid base to build from. We don't need to tear it down for one player.
Davis would be welcome but I wouldn't gut our talented youth squad to get him. I'm not a believer in the win now strategy. Go slow do it right. Take a page from (and don't rail me, think about it) Danny Angie's book. He may be a Celt but he did it right.
Not to beat a dead horse but we were also doing well before Magic wanted to sent our youth to NO for AD. That path killed the chemistry which was never reinvigorated. |
But then our young talent all got injured (Lonzo missed 30+ games, BI 25+ games).
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Jesusdelonla
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
I'll gladly take a championship from LBJ/AD/3rd star. |
many ways to get to the END. its not only 1 way: homegrown talent way |
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HAWAIIGUY27
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
I'll gladly take a championship from LBJ/AD/3rd star. |
Same. |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
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LOL
How about
Garnett and Allen
LeBron, Bosh and Allen
Shaq, Fox, Horry, Gasol, Odom, Ariza, Artest
THOSE are the players winning championships. I liked NVE and Eddie Jones, but who cares if we're winning? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think some room exception level bigs (price wise) are more like Ed Davis/Vonleh.
Brook is going to be paid at least the full MLE, and Dedmon may get slightly above the room exception. Maybe he may take a cut to join a contending Lakers team. |
what vet wings you have in mind?
Ariza
Seth Curry
james ennis |
All will be too expensive with the room exception.
This is why I'd prefer either a 2 max FA (LBJ + 2019 FA) + depth
or
AD/LBJ + use 25-30m in cap space for depth on non-expiring deals.
Getting 3 stars sounds great, and I wouldn't be upset about it, but it's at the cost of depth. If the 3rd star to add to LBJ/AD is KL, then yes by all means. If it's Tobias, yeah, rather have more depth. |
Yes, if it's not Kawhi, Klay or Kyrie then go with depth, sign multi year deals and not 1 year rentals. No Tobias, Butler or Kemba for me. Build an actual team and not mercenaries who are just playing for their own and next year's contract. |
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yinoma2001
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| Ziggy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | We are lucky because there are many paths to bring us to our rightful position of being one of the better teams in the league. |
This is what I've been preaching. There are lots of paths here and they don't end with AD/no AD. |
Truth. My most desired path is to just sign Kawhi. That's it. Sign Kawhi and keep the #4 and YUTES
Lonzo/Garland
BI/Hart
Kawhi
Lebron/Kuz
cheap big/Mo |
That would be great too. I'm not wedded to 1 option.
The only thing I'm resolutely against is punting 32m in cap space.
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
Shaq coming to LA was a "manufactured" championship. We are the Lakers. Also traded Pau Gasol, championship. I think the love for the young kids have us blind at times. Some of us keep forgetting, we got LEBRON JAMES. Can't wait to develop young players. We haven't been relevant in YEARSSS. |
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| LakersChamps04 wrote: | | What's with people's love for Tobias Harris? Dudes a glorified role player. Yall trying to pay him 20+ mil? |
I’m not talking about pay, just that he is a good player to have
in the mix. Not an all star but he brings a little of everything when
he’s in the game.
Someone, not named LAL will probably pay him; we can’t pay
him and get a star.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | How soon we forget. We were in the 4th spot when James went down. We have a solid base to build from. We don't need to tear it down for one player.
Davis would be welcome but I wouldn't gut our talented youth squad to get him. I'm not a believer in the win now strategy. Go slow do it right. Take a page from (and don't rail me, think about it) Danny Angie's book. He may be a Celt but he did it right.
Not to beat a dead horse but we were also doing well before Magic wanted to sent our youth to NO for AD. That path killed the chemistry which was never reinvigorated. |
But then our young talent all got injured (Lonzo missed 30+ games, BI 25+ games). |
Yep. The ol injury bug taking it's toll on the Lakers as it's done so many times in the past.
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| 3baller wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think some room exception level bigs (price wise) are more like Ed Davis/Vonleh.
Brook is going to be paid at least the full MLE, and Dedmon may get slightly above the room exception. Maybe he may take a cut to join a contending Lakers team. |
what vet wings you have in mind?
Ariza
Seth Curry
james ennis |
All will be too expensive with the room exception.
This is why I'd prefer either a 2 max FA (LBJ + 2019 FA) + depth
or
AD/LBJ + use 25-30m in cap space for depth on non-expiring deals.
Getting 3 stars sounds great, and I wouldn't be upset about it, but it's at the cost of depth. If the 3rd star to add to LBJ/AD is KL, then yes by all means. If it's Tobias, yeah, rather have more depth. |
Yes, if it's not Kawhi, Klay or Kyrie then go with depth, sign multi year deals and not 1 year rentals. No Tobias, Butler or Kemba for me. Build an actual team and not mercenaries who are just playing for their own and next year's contract. |
I'd be okay with LBJ/AD and mercenaries this season if we go after Buddy Hield next season. |
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Sign Bogdanovic ($16 mil/yr), sign Danny Green ($8 mil/yr), sign BroLo ($8 mil/yr), sign Derrick Rose (Room exception 1yr), sign Dante Cunningham for vet min.
Trade BI-Kuz-Wagner-4th Pick-Bonga for Anthony Davis
Lonzo Ball/Caruso
Danny Green/D. Rose
Bogdanovic/Hart
Lebron/D. Cunningham
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Woj now on SAS show to talk free agency and AD updates
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| OC Lakerfan wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | OC Lakerfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
I was talking about having both LBJ and PG... but if we swapped LBJ for PG then we'd have a better chance at one of the big agents coming here to play with PG and the core.
The team would have been more cohesive because you have loyal PG... instead of snake LBJ who preaches about picking up your teammate when he's on the floor... yet trades them at the first sign of trouble. |
Which big FA has ever joined PG? That was his beef with the Pacers, that they couldn't attract top FAs.
This is just disingenous IMO. They would not have made the playoffs with just PG last year. But you have not addressed my main point. The Lakers, assuming PG came by himself (which I doubt), would have likely traded for AD and signed a 3rd max, no? What loyalty does he owe to BI/Lonzo? He could have easily asked the Lakers to trade them for veteran star help. |
Lakers have been trying to get multiple max players since Mitch and Jim. Historically even longer than that as a franchise (agreeing). |
Combining chill PG with one of the elite FAs seems an easier proposition than pairing one with LBJ.
KD described it himself. |
Huh? When a man chooses OKC over LA (after fawning over how much he wanted to be in LA), then "chill" isn't the word that comes to mind first. |
What does choosing where you play have to do with your disposition?
And we don't know for sure if he was spurned or he chose to stay.
He said he did... but it's also very possible he only did so to save face.
Man you are reaching today. |
He's reaching? That's rich. lol |
He says he's cool with whatever happens.
I have a more specific feeling against giving up a lot of assets for AD.
Of course you are going to like his opinion better because it aligns with your own.
But wondering if AD and LBJ might struggle without a deep bench I don't think is a crazy reach.
I fully admit they can succeed with some inspired signings.
But after last years signings, I'm going to be a little skeptical.
I think signing another agent with the core is a better plan.
Or waiting for AD next season.
If you want to call my rationale to justify that position a reach... knock yourself out. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | How soon we forget. We were in the 4th spot when James went down. We have a solid base to build from. We don't need to tear it down for one player.
Davis would be welcome but I wouldn't gut our talented youth squad to get him. I'm not a believer in the win now strategy. Go slow do it right. Take a page from (and don't rail me, think about it) Danny Angie's book. He may be a Celt but he did it right.
Not to beat a dead horse but we were also doing well before Magic wanted to sent our youth to NO for AD. That path killed the chemistry which was never reinvigorated. |
But then our young talent all got injured (Lonzo missed 30+ games, BI 25+ games). |
Yep. The ol injury bug taking it's toll on the Lakers as it's done so many times in the past. |
Hopefully Seto can help stop them.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | Player 1: 20.0/7.9/2.9 soon 27, wants 20-25m per year
Player 2: 18.7/5.5/2.5 soon 24, earns 2m for next 2 years
who you want |
I'm still surprised BI put up 18/5/3 last year.
The season was so disappointing as a whole, that this gets lost in the shuffle.
Who's the 20/8/3 guy? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
I'll gladly take a championship from LBJ/AD/3rd star. |
lol..different viewpoint. So does it matter the players or just the team on the Jersey. All championships mean the same?
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Woj now on SAS show to talk free agency and AD updates |
Keep us updated |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Woj now on SAS show to talk free agency and AD updates |
Keep us updated |
what he say, I'm at work F5 |
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HAWAIIGUY27
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| epak wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Player 1: 20.0/7.9/2.9 soon 27, wants 20-25m per year
Player 2: 18.7/5.5/2.5 soon 24, earns 2m for next 2 years
who you want |
I'm still surprised BI put up 18/5/3 last year.
The season was so disappointing as a whole, that this gets lost in the shuffle.
Who's the 20/8/3 guy? |
Spoiler Alert: It's Tobias Harris and Kyle Kuzma |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Die hard Laker fan since 91. I don't want the haul for AD. You can manufacture a championship, but its really lame and not exciting. Its not good. I don't care what anyone says. This is not the Lebron Klutch Lakers.
Every championship team has core players that played big roles in the team. If Lakers traded everyone to have Kyrie/AD/Lebron plus role players win a championship, it would be a Lebron championship and not a LA Lakers one.
You need homegrown talent to be part of championship or it just wouldn't feel right
Boston 08 - Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins. One championship. 11 years later they are not closer to winning another one.
Miami - Wade, Haslem, Chalmers. 2/4 championships and they were not even easy wins. The league was less competitive then, than it is now.
Lakers Teams - Devean George, Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, Sasha
if Hart, Kuz, #4, Zo are gone it will be unprecedented championship without any homegrown talent and will feel really lame. I'm sorry. |
I'll gladly take a championship from LBJ/AD/3rd star. |
lol..different viewpoint. So does it matter the players or just the team on the Jersey. All championships mean the same? |
Team for me.
If I felt that Lonzo/BI could be foundational stars like Kobe/Magic, sure, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep them. But they aren't. So, by whatever means necessary.
Say we get AD and win a ring, he's only 26 right now. Plenty of time to grow old as a Laker. LBJ brings more baggage b/c of his GOAT discussion (and competition with Kobe). But AD has a chance to be the face of this team for a good amount of time.
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