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| dcastillo wrote: | | Davis 26 and Kyrie 27. Man if we somehow do it we are good for the next 5-6 years |
We'd have to fill the roster out with vets and "good finds", but we'd be very good. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | PG isn't an influencer. He is the influenced. |
Which is why he'd be more appealing to an alpha free agent. |
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| LakersChamps04 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | The crazy thing is that AD is ONLY 26!
He hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.
26! Only 2-1/2 years older than Kyle Kuzma.  |
Anthony Davis is the modern day KG, if everyone wanted Garnett when he was with the Wolves then you should be excited about AD. |
KD was a winner in Minny. AD in NO? Not so much. So besides the only thing that matters, they are the same. |
KG was a winner in Minny? what was it..7 or 8 straight 1st round exits? i forgot. thats winning? |
Oof. That probably sounded a lot cooler in VLF's head lol |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Would Irving rather go to BK by teaming up with Butler or would he rather join AD/LeBron.. that seems like a easy decision to make. |
Especially since he had asked to leave Lebron once before.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | PG isn't an influencer. He is the influenced. |
Which is why he'd be more appealing to an alpha free agent. |
 The whole point is he was never coming alone b/c of that reason.
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| 3baller wrote: | | LakersChamps04 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | The crazy thing is that AD is ONLY 26!
He hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.
26! Only 2-1/2 years older than Kyle Kuzma. |
Anthony Davis is the modern day KG, if everyone wanted Garnett when he was with the Wolves then you should be excited about AD. |
KD was a winner in Minny. AD in NO? Not so much. So besides the only thing that matters, they are the same. |
KG was a winner in Minny? what was it..7 or 8 straight 1st round exits? i forgot. thats winning? |
Oof. That probably sounded a lot cooler in VLF's head lol |
In the land of the blind... the man with one eye is king.
KG's record mediocre though it was... was way better than ADs
And anyone going by the eye test knows that KG was way more fiery a competitor and leader. |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | PG never chose us, he chose to stay with his new BFF Westbrook.
PG is a dead horse here that needs to stop being beaten, Lakers fans should get over it. |
Why? Watching PG toil in mediocrity for the rest of his career in the black hole that is capped-out OKC brings a smile to my face. |
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| jg77 wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Think about how much Thunders gave up for PG13. Think about how much Raptors gave up for Leonard. Then you see some people here willing to trade everything including Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, #4 pick and future picks for AD. |
The Pacers got an equally good player back in Oladipo. And Pop's idea of pairing Derozan with Murray was a good one but Murray tore his acl. |
Oladipo averaged 15.9ppg the season before he was traded to the Pacers and he was not in his rookie contract. Pacers didn't lose any draft pick in that trade. At that time I doubt his trade value was higher than current Ball + Ingram. Derozan might be a good one pairing with Murray. But if you only look at the players' value, Leonard worth more than that. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | OC Lakerfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
I was talking about having both LBJ and PG... but if we swapped LBJ for PG then we'd have a better chance at one of the big agents coming here to play with PG and the core.
The team would have been more cohesive because you have loyal PG... instead of snake LBJ who preaches about picking up your teammate when he's on the floor... yet trades them at the first sign of trouble. |
Which big FA has ever joined PG? That was his beef with the Pacers, that they couldn't attract top FAs.
This is just disingenous IMO. They would not have made the playoffs with just PG last year. But you have not addressed my main point. The Lakers, assuming PG came by himself (which I doubt), would have likely traded for AD and signed a 3rd max, no? What loyalty does he owe to BI/Lonzo? He could have easily asked the Lakers to trade them for veteran star help. |
Lakers have been trying to get multiple max players since Mitch and Jim. Historically even longer than that as a franchise (agreeing). |
Combining chill PG with one of the elite FAs seems an easier proposition than pairing one with LBJ.
KD described it himself. |
Huh? When a man chooses OKC over LA (after fawning over how much he wanted to be in LA), then "chill" isn't the word that comes to mind first. |
What does choosing where you play have to do with your disposition?
And we don't know for sure if he was spurned or he chose to stay.
He said he did... but it's also very possible he only did so to save face.
Man you are reaching today. |
Reaching? Not really. You admitted that even if PG was here, he'd likely be asking for a trade for a veteran star. So what's the difference? That it wouldn't be limited to AD?
Your attempt to drag the rest of us down with your misery over something that hasn't happened yet, that's the reach my man.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | The crazy thing is that AD is ONLY 26!
He hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.
26! Only 2-1/2 years older than Kyle Kuzma. |
Anthony Davis is the modern day KG, if everyone wanted Garnett when he was with the Wolves then you should be excited about AD. |
KD was a winner in Minny. AD in NO? Not so much. So besides the only thing that matters, they are the same. |
Didn't KG miss the playoffs more than a few times? weren't they perpetual 1st round exits?
and only go to 1 conference Finals?
seems like team talent could be the difference between the similar enough results. I still think KG was a bit better. |
Only got out the first round once that sounds a lot like AD. Neither guy have been given the rosters to be successful. KG just didn’t get his chance until his 30s.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | PG isn't an influencer. He is the influenced. |
Which is why he'd be more appealing to an alpha free agent. |
The whole point is he was never coming alone b/c of that reason. |
You don't know that.
You called me disingenuous... yet you keep reaching with your assumptions. |
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| Mamba Mentality wrote: | | jg77 wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Think about how much Thunders gave up for PG13. Think about how much Raptors gave up for Leonard. Then you see some people here willing to trade everything including Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, #4 pick and future picks for AD. |
The Pacers got an equally good player back in Oladipo. And Pop's idea of pairing Derozan with Murray was a good one but Murray tore his acl. |
Cmon that's not telling the whole story. PG named the Lakers specifically, hence he comes at a discount to any team that takes the risk of trading for him because he might be a rental. Same thing with Kawhi, the Raptors took a chance. That's why it's not an "equal" swap. If Nola trades AD to anywhere else, it would be for far less than the Lakers package because of RP saying he'll be a rental. |
Right, so Rich Paul is not doing us any favor with everything he has said so far |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | PG isn't an influencer. He is the influenced. |
Which is why he'd be more appealing to an alpha free agent. |
The whole point is he was never coming alone b/c of that reason. |
You don't know that.
You called me disingenuous... yet you keep reaching with your assumptions. |
He literally said that OKC/WB wooed him and kept him there. I've put several quotes from PG13 himself to that effect.
So you think he would eschew OKC/WB and then join a Lakers team without another star on it (when he was complaining about the Pacers not being able to add a star with him)? Yes, you are reaching. I've been trying to help you not jump off the Lakers ledge for something that hasn't happened but to each their own. You seem driven by self-imposed misery.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | OC Lakerfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: |
I was talking about having both LBJ and PG... but if we swapped LBJ for PG then we'd have a better chance at one of the big agents coming here to play with PG and the core.
The team would have been more cohesive because you have loyal PG... instead of snake LBJ who preaches about picking up your teammate when he's on the floor... yet trades them at the first sign of trouble. |
Which big FA has ever joined PG? That was his beef with the Pacers, that they couldn't attract top FAs.
This is just disingenous IMO. They would not have made the playoffs with just PG last year. But you have not addressed my main point. The Lakers, assuming PG came by himself (which I doubt), would have likely traded for AD and signed a 3rd max, no? What loyalty does he owe to BI/Lonzo? He could have easily asked the Lakers to trade them for veteran star help. |
Lakers have been trying to get multiple max players since Mitch and Jim. Historically even longer than that as a franchise (agreeing). |
Combining chill PG with one of the elite FAs seems an easier proposition than pairing one with LBJ.
KD described it himself. |
Huh? When a man chooses OKC over LA (after fawning over how much he wanted to be in LA), then "chill" isn't the word that comes to mind first. |
What does choosing where you play have to do with your disposition?
And we don't know for sure if he was spurned or he chose to stay.
He said he did... but it's also very possible he only did so to save face.
Man you are reaching today. |
Reaching? Not really. You admitted that even if PG was here, he'd likely be asking for a trade for a veteran star. So what's the difference? That it wouldn't be limited to AD?
Your attempt to drag the rest of us down with your misery over something that hasn't happened yet, that's the reach my man. |
Where did I say he'd be likely asking for a trade for a veteran star?
Yeah... I'm reaching because I think Vegas odds have a decent chance of being accurate. Give me a break.
That's called accepting reality.
Nothing would make me happier if Vegas was wrong and we pull out of a deal... or we end up keeping one of BI/Zo/#4. |
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At the end of the day Lebron is the one and only superstar who followed through and joined the Lakers. We couldnt even get third tier stars like Aldridge and Deroz.
So all these what ifs are ridiculous because there's no telling if anyone would have joined when they said they could, with or without Lebron. PG13 already was a no-show because he fell in love with Westbrook.
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| 3baller wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | We're trying to build a championship contender and usually that means a team with 3 superstars and vet mins or 2 superstars and some mid-level vets plus a couple of vet mins.
That is the ultimate goal. The hope is for the kids to one day become superstars themselves so we'd have a contender. But there is no guarantee that BI or Zo or the 4th pick would ever become superstars.
Right now we are already in the position to have at least 2 superstars in Lebron and AD with a chance of convincing a 3rd superstar to join the pair. Now is the best opportunity for us to build a contender. We're potentially getting 2-3 not only superstars but top 5 players and future Hall of Famers and some are rejecting that idea because they're 'hoping' that BI or ZO would become superstars themselves? 
Even if we don't get a 3rd superstar, Lebron + AD + one of Kuz, Zo, BI + 30M left to spend for quality vets in my mind will be a contender. So don't tell me that we would instantly have no depth if we trade for AD. |
Basic question....ummm did you see what vet mins we put around leking? Welp picture those beaslies playing when the “stars” need a breather or get hurt 😆. Picture Mcgee at the rim and getting blocked by it or a behind the back pass ...to no one 😂....yep that’ll work. Picture Bonga playing heavy minutes with Wagner or chandler wooooo weeee!! Entertainment at it finest...up 20pts now down 5😅😅 |
1.) Collison 40% 3pt or Rubio (13M)
2.) Danny Green 45.5% 3pt or Brogdon 42.6% 3pt (14M)
3.) Lebron (37.4M)
4.) Davis 33% 3 pt(27.1M)
5.) Dedmon 38.2% 3pt or Brolo 36.5% 3pt (8M)
6.) Trey Burke 35.2% 3pt or Seth Curry 45% 3pt (min)
7.) Bullock 37.7% 3pt(MLE)
8.) Jeff Green (min)
9.) Kuz (2M)
10.) Mcgee (min)
11.) Wagner (2.1M)
12.) Bonga (1.4M)
Deng (5M)
Total: 109.7M + exceptions(over the cap but it's below before trading for AD)
Just one example. That we would have no depth after trading for AD is a myth. |
One again did you see what our FO put atound this team? If your not about to be employed by them expect the same. Some of the players you mentioned are res competent but I go back to did you see what OUR FO put around the king?😅
Also so e of those players you did mention wouldn’t answer the phone from the lakers and that’s bro and deng. Also kuz goes on the package for ad so he gone unless we cloning him. Seth curry leaving? Lol
Robin the guy who is just similar to lonzo as both terrible shooters? Lol
And you still got Mcgee so he can be shaqtin a fool |
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| audioaxes wrote: | At the end of the day Lebron is the one and only superstar who followed through and joined the Lakers. We couldnt even get third tier stars like Aldridge and Deroz.
So all these what ifs are ridiculous because there's no telling if anyone would have joined when they said they could, with or without Lebron. PG13 already was a no-show because he fell in love with Westbrook. |
Exactly.
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Kyrie is far and away my top realistic choice at this point.
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| LakersChamps04 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | The crazy thing is that AD is ONLY 26!
He hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.
26! Only 2-1/2 years older than Kyle Kuzma. |
Anthony Davis is the modern day KG, if everyone wanted Garnett when he was with the Wolves then you should be excited about AD. |
KD was a winner in Minny. AD in NO? Not so much. So besides the only thing that matters, they are the same. |
KG was a winner in Minny? what was it..7 or 8 straight 1st round exits? i forgot. thats winning? |
Evidently you have no concept what winning is if you prefer no playoffs to being in the playoffs.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/sports/pelicans/article_50737cbe-8d1f-11e9-bd86-07dbc8b66a3a.html
Wow, this just shows you what type of moron in Demps that the Lakers had to deal with.
| Quote: | Paul said in the report that he informed Demps of Davis' desire to be traded on on Jan. 25, three days before the news broke in a report from ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
As Paul tells the story, Demps said he'd speak with Pelicans owner Gayle Benson, but instead called Davis and never reconnected with Paul. Later, Paul said, Wojnarowski called him to confirm the trade demand, and the wild news cycle began to spin.
"It was necessary to go public. When I told you, 'Here's our intentions,' and you say, 'Hey, let me talk to ownership,' and instead ... you call Anthony Davis? That's called being ignored," Paul told SI.
He said Demps, who did not offer comment for the story, was seemingly attempting to get between Davis and Paul to handle the situation.
"That's a no-no. Every GM knows that," Paul said. |
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That's what you got from reading that?
For me it was more about Demps trying to circumvent Rich and talk to AD directly. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakersChamps04 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | The crazy thing is that AD is ONLY 26!
He hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.
26! Only 2-1/2 years older than Kyle Kuzma. |
Anthony Davis is the modern day KG, if everyone wanted Garnett when he was with the Wolves then you should be excited about AD. |
KD was a winner in Minny. AD in NO? Not so much. So besides the only thing that matters, they are the same. |
KG was a winner in Minny? what was it..7 or 8 straight 1st round exits? i forgot. thats winning? |
Evidently you have no concept what winning is if you prefer no playoffs to being in the playoffs. |
We're Lakers fans. Losing later than other teams is still losing. You either win the championship, or you are a loser. Plain and simple. |
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| If we had 34 yo Kobe still at the top of his game offensively and coming off a minor injury, you better bet your ass he’d be trying to trade the entire young core for AD as well. So all this blind hate Lebron is getting here is because of who he is, rather than what he’s trying to do. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | PG isn't an influencer. He is the influenced. |
Which is why he'd be more appealing to an alpha free agent. |
The whole point is he was never coming alone b/c of that reason. |
You don't know that.
You called me disingenuous... yet you keep reaching with your assumptions. |
He literally said that OKC/WB wooed him and kept him there. I've put several quotes from PG13 himself to that effect.
So you think he would eschew OKC/WB and then join a Lakers team without another star on it (when he was complaining about the Pacers not being able to add a star with him)? Yes, you are reaching. I've been trying to help you not jump off the Lakers ledge for something that hasn't happened but to each their own. You seem driven by self-imposed misery. |
I said PG may have wanted to come here... and was passed up by management and or LBJ.
He said he wanted to come here when there was no star. Never put any conditions on it. Big difference between being in Indiana with no star and being in Los Angeles. The capspace was cleared... he wouldn't need to campaign for it.
You keep saying I'm miserable because I don't agree with you.
It's a good tactic because as we know from the mainstream media... if you repeat something over and over... many will start to believe it.
Unfortunately for you, I'm not miserable... I simply disagree with those who want to give up a lot for AD... and side with the more stingy posters.
You as usual talk about how you want to keep the core as your first option... yet also continuously justify trading them.
A born politician.
I may be disliked by half or even more of the posters... but at least I'm consistent about where I stand. |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | We're trying to build a championship contender and usually that means a team with 3 superstars and vet mins or 2 superstars and some mid-level vets plus a couple of vet mins.
That is the ultimate goal. The hope is for the kids to one day become superstars themselves so we'd have a contender. But there is no guarantee that BI or Zo or the 4th pick would ever become superstars.
Right now we are already in the position to have at least 2 superstars in Lebron and AD with a chance of convincing a 3rd superstar to join the pair. Now is the best opportunity for us to build a contender. We're potentially getting 2-3 not only superstars but top 5 players and future Hall of Famers and some are rejecting that idea because they're 'hoping' that BI or ZO would become superstars themselves?
Even if we don't get a 3rd superstar, Lebron + AD + one of Kuz, Zo, BI + 30M left to spend for quality vets in my mind will be a contender. So don't tell me that we would instantly have no depth if we trade for AD. |
Basic question....ummm did you see what vet mins we put around leking? Welp picture those beaslies playing when the “stars” need a breather or get hurt 😆. Picture Mcgee at the rim and getting blocked by it or a behind the back pass ...to no one 😂....yep that’ll work. Picture Bonga playing heavy minutes with Wagner or chandler wooooo weeee!! Entertainment at it finest...up 20pts now down 5😅😅 |
1.) Collison 40% 3pt or Rubio (13M)
2.) Danny Green 45.5% 3pt or Brogdon 42.6% 3pt (14M)
3.) Lebron (37.4M)
4.) Davis 33% 3 pt(27.1M)
5.) Dedmon 38.2% 3pt or Brolo 36.5% 3pt (8M)
6.) Trey Burke 35.2% 3pt or Seth Curry 45% 3pt (min)
7.) Bullock 37.7% 3pt(MLE)
8.) Jeff Green (min)
9.) Kuz (2M)
10.) Mcgee (min)
11.) Wagner (2.1M)
12.) Bonga (1.4M)
Deng (5M)
Total: 109.7M + exceptions(over the cap but it's below before trading for AD)
Just one example. That we would have no depth after trading for AD is a myth. |
One again did you see what our FO put atound this team? If your not about to be employed by them expect the same. Some of the players you mentioned are res competent but I go back to did you see what OUR FO put around the king?😅
Also so e of those players you did mention wouldn’t answer the phone from the lakers and that’s bro and deng. Also kuz goes on the package for ad so he gone unless we cloning him. Seth curry leaving? Lol
Robin the guy who is just similar to lonzo as both terrible shooters? Lol
And you still got Mcgee so he can be shaqtin a fool |
1.) See the 'or's?
2.) We're not calling Deng. We're still paying for his stretched contract  |
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| Quote: | You as usual talk about how you want to keep the core as your first option... yet also continuously justify trading them.
A born politician.
I may be disliked by half or even more of the posters... but at least I'm consistent about where I stand. |
See, this is your issue. You only have one way and you're sticking by it. It's not intellectually rigorous at all.
This is not about consistency. No one is running for LG President. I just happen to be flexible in viewing many paths to an enjoyable team. I'm sad for you that you have limited your worldview to such a myopic angle. That is self-inflicted (and hasn't even happened yet).
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