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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject:

Note that AD did not not even make the NBA third team.
He is not a difference maker.
AD is easy to neutralize for his game is inside where they will surround him with double teams.

And trading possible all stars in Ingram or Lonzo for him may not be smart.
Maybe one of them yes. But not the whole core.

The Lakers are finding a max FA away. And some clutch shooters.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

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Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:50 am    Post subject:

Why we don’t like it, no accounting for cap holds.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject:

laker50 wrote:
Note that AD did not not even make the NBA third team.
He is not a difference maker.
AD is easy to neutralize for his game is inside where they will surround him with double teams.

And trading possible all stars in Ingram or Lonzo for him may not be smart.
Maybe one of them yes. But not the whole core.

The Lakers are finding a max FA away. And some clutch shooters.



Unless they are making a trade or two, getting clutch shooters with the room exception and veteran minimum salary could be difficult to do.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject:

Butler, Lopez, and Mcgee

Lonzo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
BI/Stephenson
Bron/Wagner
Lopez/Mcgee

And you still have the pick. We need some shooting still. My bad Kuz at the 4. BI off the bench


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject:

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Ingram/Ball/Kuzma all need to become respectable 3 point options. 35% from 3.


It really is this simple. We just watched how Bledsoe and Siakam were defended and how that kills spacing. If Lonzo and Ingram can't make/won't take open 3s, it's hard to envision us winning in the playoffs.


Kuzma and Balll will both let it fly. Ingram still needs to develop more confidence from 3. Should be the priority for all 3 this summer.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that


The starting guards in the NBA finals are a 30 year old and a 33 year old undersized guard.

Bledsoe is a 29 year old undersized guard

Lillard and CJ are undersized guards.

CP3 is an old undersized guard.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject:

poppajons wrote:
Kawhi is more likely to leave if Raptors win championship IMO.

I think he’s leaving regardless but winning a ring let’s him off the hook from any Toronto fan.

We should be rooting for the Raptors.


You've got it wrong. The best case scenario for the Lakers right now is:
• Kevin Durant does not come back for any of the finals games
• Golden State wins without Durant
• The noise of Durant not being needed with the Warriors intensifies to a point where Durant leaves and goes all in to make his naysayers eat crow by joining the only player that has beaten the Warriors... LeBron.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


I would take Butler but I like defense
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:30 am    Post subject:

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https://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-wizards-would-want-lonzo-ball-involved-in-bradley-beal-trade/2019/05/26/


So apparently the Wizards would take Zo+4 for Beal. If we could get Kyrie this would be really good. Kyrie/Beal/Ingram/LeBron/McGee would be good with Kuz/Hart coming off the bench seems like it would be insane offensively, defensively though it would be pretty meh.


Why would we sign Kyrie after trading for Beal?
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
LKA wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that


The starting guards in the NBA finals are a 30 year old and a 33 year old undersized guard.

Bledsoe is a 29 year old undersized guard

Lillard and CJ are undersized guards.

CP3 is an old undersized guard.


Curry is proven
Bledsoe is not that great
Kemba is unproven
CP3 has yet to make a finals
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:34 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LKA wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that


The starting guards in the NBA finals are a 30 year old and a 33 year old undersized guard.

Bledsoe is a 29 year old undersized guard

Lillard and CJ are undersized guards.

CP3 is an old undersized guard.


Curry is proven
Bledsoe is not that great
Kemba is unproven
CP3 has yet to make a finals


They are all good players.

Curry is the best, but just because you haven't won the title before, doesn't mean you aren't a good player.

If you put any of those with the Warriors they'd have a good chance of winning a title. Even Bledsoe.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
Day wrote:
https://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-wizards-would-want-lonzo-ball-involved-in-bradley-beal-trade/2019/05/26/


So apparently the Wizards would take Zo+4 for Beal. If we could get Kyrie this would be really good. Kyrie/Beal/Ingram/LeBron/McGee would be good with Kuz/Hart coming off the bench seems like it would be insane offensively, defensively though it would be pretty meh.


Why would we sign Kyrie after trading for Beal?


Because we want to sign players that are good at basketballing?
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that


Kemba will play next year at 29. He is 9 months younger than Butler.

Kemba is a better 3 point shooter, better locker room presence, fills a bigger need (perimeter scorer).

Butler is a better defender.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject:

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All these elaborate trade ideas..

What's wrong with a marque free agent, a few shooters and the core?

This all seems so unnecessary to me. I hope the front office isn't as determined to move pieces.


The core haven’t shown the ability to make a difference. They would need to get a lot better than they are.


Oh boy so the core haven’t improved each year?


Not really. Kuzma has regressed while Lonzo and Ingram can’t stay on the floor. The ones who have improved the FO pissed away.


Shut the (bleep) up!! In what world is 18.7ppg 5.5rpg 2.5apg 45%fg 75%ft 3.6FTA a regression from 16ppg 6.3rpg 1.8apg 45%fg 70%ft 2.7FTA ??? Outside of rebounds and 3pt % he improved everywhere else or stayed the same. The rebounds can be explained because he played with Lebron and McGee. Always on here with the (bleep) takes
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject:

Here is how I see the chances of FAs coming.. playing out

Butler - 50%

Irving - 30%

Kemba - 15%

Kawhi - 5%

Klay - 0%

KD - 0.1%
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:49 am    Post subject:

Day wrote:
https://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-wizards-would-want-lonzo-ball-involved-in-bradley-beal-trade/2019/05/26/


So apparently the Wizards would take Zo+4 for Beal. If we could get Kyrie this would be really good. Kyrie/Beal/Ingram/LeBron/McGee would be good with Kuz/Hart coming off the bench seems like it would be insane offensively, defensively though it would be pretty meh.

ONCE AGAIN SOME OF YOU GUYS POST THE DUMBEST (bleep) IN THE WORLD

The trade doesn't work cap wise if we use our max salary. If we give Kyrie or anyone the max or basically the max (possible couple hundred thousand short), we need to give out about 21.6M in salary. Lonzo and thr 4th pic will be around 16M. Add bonga, now we are at 17.5. Even with Wagner and Hart we are very very short. Unless we can buy a 2nd round pick and attach him.

If we can do this:

Kyrie, Beal, BI, Lebron, Room Exception C
Caruso, Kuzma and vet mins around

#4, Lonzo, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, 2nd rounder for Beal is quite a lot. I would be asking for a future protected first from them or at least that 2023 bulls 2nd (they have traded many of their 2nds away)
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
LKA wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LKA wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


30 yr old undersized guard ? Idk about that


The starting guards in the NBA finals are a 30 year old and a 33 year old undersized guard.

Bledsoe is a 29 year old undersized guard

Lillard and CJ are undersized guards.

CP3 is an old undersized guard.


Curry is proven
Bledsoe is not that great
Kemba is unproven
CP3 has yet to make a finals


They are all good players.

Curry is the best, but just because you haven't won the title before, doesn't mean you aren't a good player.

If you put any of those with the Warriors they'd have a good chance of winning a title. Even Bledsoe.


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Car54 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
All these elaborate trade ideas..

What's wrong with a marque free agent, a few shooters and the core?

This all seems so unnecessary to me. I hope the front office isn't as determined to move pieces.


The core haven’t shown the ability to make a difference. They would need to get a lot better than they are.


Oh boy so the core haven’t improved each year?


Not really. Kuzma has regressed while Lonzo and Ingram can’t stay on the floor. The ones who have improved the FO pissed away.


Shut the (bleep) up!! In what world is 18.7ppg 5.5rpg 2.5apg 45%fg 75%ft 3.6FTA a regression from 16ppg 6.3rpg 1.8apg 45%fg 70%ft 2.7FTA ??? Outside of rebounds and 3pt % he improved everywhere else or stayed the same. The rebounds can be explained because he played with Lebron and McGee. Always on here with the (bleep) takes


Kuzma’s value was shooting, this season he couldn’t shoot, rebound or defend.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject:

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Here is how I see the chances of FAs coming.. playing out

Butler - 50%

Irving - 30%

Kemba - 15%

Kawhi - 5%

Klay - 0%

KD - 0.1%


For me it's 40% Irving, 20% Butler, 5% Kemba, 10% Klay, 5% KD, 10%KD, and 10% we are getting no one.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Here is how I see the chances of FAs coming.. playing out

Butler - 50%

Irving - 30%

Kemba - 15%

Kawhi - 5%

Klay - 0%

KD - 0.1%


KD is the only reason that the FO waived Deng. Another screw-up by Magic.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:09 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Right now, seems like Butler is our best shot at a top 10 Free Agent.


Still would take Kemba over Butler.


I would take Butler but I like defense


So let's assume we sign Butler to a max.
What else do you do?
Need 2 Centers (starter and back up)
Need a back up PG.
Could use a shooter (or 2)
We have the #4 pick and the room, plus vet mins.

-Sign Jav with the room (or do you prefer say Brook? And are either realistic with the room?)
-Draft Garland at #4
What back up Center and shooters are available with vet mins?

I like the starting unit:
-Lonzo
-Butler
-Ingram
-LBJ
-Jav

I like staggering LBJ and Butler, so letting Butler run the 2nd unit.
-Garland (is he ready or stick with vet like Caruso)
-Hart
-Butler
-Kuz
-Back up 5
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject:

Said it before, saying it again - we need to build a TEAM and not just get a MAX and scraps. We need to grab guys 1-2 who will be ideal next to LeBron, and 1-2 guys who can help us after he retires. My plan is this:


(1) Brook Lopez – Throw a 3-year deal at him for $24-$28M total. He’s only making $3.3M right now, so bring him home with a ton of apologies and get our stretch-big to free space for LeBron and keep opposing bigs from doubling on him. Start the offer to Lopez at around $3-yr/$20M, figure as high as 3-yr/$27M total if needed.

Backup option? Dewayne Dedmon. A little more expensive than Brook at the moment, but we really need an affordable stretch big to maximize LBJ. Vucevic ($12.75M last year) is too expensive.

(2) Darren Collison – Started at PG for Vogel back in Indiana, shoots 38-40% from 3 and 80%+ FTs. A bit overpaid in Indy at $10M right now, but offer him a 3-year, LBJ-era deal since he's only had 1-2 year deals his whole career. Like Lopes, start him at 3-yr/$20M, but go up to 3-yr/$27M max to get Lonzo a real PG mentor who can defend AND SHOOT.

Backup option? Seth Curry. Dude’s a shooter, plain and simple. He’s earned a good mid-level deal, but make him a 4-year deal since he's younger than Collison at slightly less to start ($6M a year) and could sitck around post-LBJ.


(3) Julius Randle. Yeah, I said it. This team needs an enforcer, and guys who can throw down 19 and 9 don’t grow on trees, and he can be a post-LBJ era guy after LBJ's current deal is up. Vogel can maximize him on D, and he and Brook can balance each other well at both ends. Give him the 4-year, $50-60M we should have done last year, rather than waste it on KCP and Lance, for crying out loud.

If he signs for $12-13M to start he's a bargain, and if Lopez and Collison both came in around $7.5M a year to start, then we could sign Bullock via his $4.7M cap hold and have Bird rights as needed.

Backup option? Al-Farouq Aminu ($7M with Portland last year) or Bobby Portis ($2.5M with Washington). Portis has better range, Aminu has more toughness and playoff experience. Would offer less than for Randle, but a 3-year $25M for either of them would be a great deal. Figure Portland would definitely fight for Aminu to build off this year.


(4) Reggie Bullock Another post-LBJ future signing. Good size and shooting, even though eh had some trouble adjusting this year after trade deadline. Good BI insurance in terms of SF depth. Sign him for 4 years around $25M total, whether via Bird rights or exception or cap space.

Backup option? Again, Seth Curry would be quality back-court depth. Would have no problem bringing his shooting and Steph-lite combo-guard skills aboard at a reasonable rate for a good semi-long-term deal, either in place of of or along with Bullock.


(5) Draft Pick: DeAndre Hunter He's the most NBA-ready, plug-and-play guy right now outside the Top 3. Defensive versatility and seemingly reliable kick-out shooting, with good fundamental, scrapper play. Give me a rotation with him and Randle and Ingram and Lonzo and we'd have defense for days. OR, put him, Collison, Lopez, and Bullock or Curry on the floor and you've FINALLY got a 4-shooter lineup around LBJ.

I'd gladly go into the season with this lineup over any involving another MAX-level guy.

C -
Lopez - Starter for spacing and to allow change of pace with Randle
Randle - Small-ball, rebounding, and switching D
Wagner - Hustle and shooting

PF -
Randle - Starts over Kuz for rebounding and to balance Lopez on boards and D quickness.
Kuz - Starter-level scorer off bench, pace booster on O off bench

SF -
LeBron - Duh.
Ingram - Still coming back from injury, most likely sixth man.
Hunter - 3 and D off bench
Bullock - Outside gunner as needed

SG -
Bullock - Until Hart proves healthy, pencil Bullock's range and size here.
Hart - Would gladly start him if his health and shot both return, but has to be proven.

PG -
Ball - Put-up or shut-up. Has to be a significant asset on both ends. Still believe that he can.
Collison - Solid backup, and has enough shooting and D cred to allow Lonzo to play off-ball in spurts.
Caruso - Earned the full-season spot, IMO. Hustle and guts off the bench.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject:

Agree that we should build a team. I thought we were moving in that direction a few years ago but then Jeanie happened.
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