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bandiger
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| Just keep Caruso, is it that hard? |
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Sentient Meat
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Lol, dude can’t shoot and can’t defend, even when healthy. |
Lin career TS% 54.8
DLO career TS% 51.8
Lonzo career TS% 46.3
You can dislike the guy... but don't make sh*t up.
Steals rate same as DLO less than Lonzo...
Zo way better defender, but Lin is fine for a BACKUP point guard. |
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Sentient Meat
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | some people find comfort in a familiar name ...  |
I like Caruso and quite willing to let him take on the backup point guard job.
But there was another player who set the NBA on fire not for ten games but half a season.
What was his name? Skinny Asian kid.
We need to sign Rondo or some other backup point guard like Lin in case Caruso can't keep it up. If he can become the next Rambis... I'm happy to see it happen.
Even if we draft Coby we still need one vet as cover. |
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danzag
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| I'd rather get shot |
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pio2u
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| danzag wrote: | | I'd rather get shot |
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deal
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Yep, because we need more guys to grace the IR... |
Number of 70 game seasons for Lin... 5
Number of 70 game seasons for AD... 2
Number of 70 game seasons for Kyrie... 3
To be clear... AD and Kyrie are miles better than Lin... but ask yourselves why some are willing to trade half the team and pay a max contract for one guy... and the other they don't think is worth signing as a backup role for free.
I doubt Lin would want to come after getting treated like crap by our team, but if he did he would be fine as backup.
He played over 70 games this season and did well at Atlanta...
The Lin only fans were dumb af... but I saw a lot of reverse discrimination and irrational hate in the other direction as well. |
I don't think Lin is an option the FO is interested in but those are all valid points to consider. :thumbup |
I don't think our FO or Lin has mutual interest... but you never know.
He's a good backup PG... was quite efficient in Atlanta...struggling in Toronto so far... curious to see if he improves in the playoffs.
I just had to comment when I saw the injury prone comments because I didn't remember seeing those posters worried about giving AD a max... even though despite the superior skill, it's an even riskier investment if you factor in position and contribution.
AD has 2 70 game seasons
IT has 4 70 game seasons
Yet we want to trade half our team and max out the guy.
SMH...
Signing him I get... he's great enough to take that risk... but trading the core as well?
Doesn't make sense. |
To be clear, Lin is not AD or Kyrie; he's not all that. he's a good backup at this stage but as you mention, I doubt there is any interest form both sides. My comment is about health is 36 GP in 16-17, 1 GP in 17-18 before he now has those 73 this season. Take it with a grain of salt but you can't have both Zo and Lin on the IR and pretend to go anywhere.
Again, there is probably no interest from either side. |
I'd guess we'll probably try to sign Rondo again... go with Rondo and Caruso.
But Lin would be fine as a backup.
Again... read all the comments of people desperate to sign AD for a max.
AD has 2 70 game seasons... Lin has 5 including this year.
I've already said that AD and Kyrie are much superior players, but you are paying way less for one compared to the others.
We are talking about probably a one year commitment while we see if Lonzo can stay healthy and improve his shooting.
If people have a problem with it, they are probably biased against Lin to begin with. |
Whatever. In any case I'd not continue to trade our youth; Lakers need
talent no doubt but the focus should be FA's now. We let Randle go for nothing =
mistake, let Lopez walk = I think a mistake. Trading for AD is a lure but he's
not going to be traded to the Lakers, IMO; that entire episode should never
have happened. Not long ago it was PG and look what happened there now
I think AD will follow the same pattern. Having AD with little to no depth will
not cut it.
Lin is a good player, I have no doubt. I'm concerned he and Zo are prone
to accidents. I'd like to see someone out there that can contribute while
staying healthy. That said, the GSW gambled on Cousins and he's out there
playing, so I guess the price for Lin could be an important factor, the Cousins
experiment seems to have worked out so far for the GSW (not a real Cousins fan,
I'm just talking about playing / the price tag).
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10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
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Sentient Meat
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| deal wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Yep, because we need more guys to grace the IR... |
Number of 70 game seasons for Lin... 5
Number of 70 game seasons for AD... 2
Number of 70 game seasons for Kyrie... 3
To be clear... AD and Kyrie are miles better than Lin... but ask yourselves why some are willing to trade half the team and pay a max contract for one guy... and the other they don't think is worth signing as a backup role for free.
I doubt Lin would want to come after getting treated like crap by our team, but if he did he would be fine as backup.
He played over 70 games this season and did well at Atlanta...
The Lin only fans were dumb af... but I saw a lot of reverse discrimination and irrational hate in the other direction as well. |
I don't think Lin is an option the FO is interested in but those are all valid points to consider. :thumbup |
I don't think our FO or Lin has mutual interest... but you never know.
He's a good backup PG... was quite efficient in Atlanta...struggling in Toronto so far... curious to see if he improves in the playoffs.
I just had to comment when I saw the injury prone comments because I didn't remember seeing those posters worried about giving AD a max... even though despite the superior skill, it's an even riskier investment if you factor in position and contribution.
AD has 2 70 game seasons
IT has 4 70 game seasons
Yet we want to trade half our team and max out the guy.
SMH...
Signing him I get... he's great enough to take that risk... but trading the core as well?
Doesn't make sense. |
To be clear, Lin is not AD or Kyrie; he's not all that. he's a good backup at this stage but as you mention, I doubt there is any interest form both sides. My comment is about health is 36 GP in 16-17, 1 GP in 17-18 before he now has those 73 this season. Take it with a grain of salt but you can't have both Zo and Lin on the IR and pretend to go anywhere.
Again, there is probably no interest from either side. |
I'd guess we'll probably try to sign Rondo again... go with Rondo and Caruso.
But Lin would be fine as a backup.
Again... read all the comments of people desperate to sign AD for a max.
AD has 2 70 game seasons... Lin has 5 including this year.
I've already said that AD and Kyrie are much superior players, but you are paying way less for one compared to the others.
We are talking about probably a one year commitment while we see if Lonzo can stay healthy and improve his shooting.
If people have a problem with it, they are probably biased against Lin to begin with. |
Whatever. In any case I'd not continue to trade our youth; Lakers need
talent no doubt but the focus should be FA's now. We let Randle go for nothing =
mistake, let Lopez walk = I think a mistake. Trading for AD is a lure but he's
not going to be traded to the Lakers, IMO; that entire episode should never
have happened. Not long ago it was PG and look what happened there now
I think AD will follow the same pattern. Having AD with little to no depth will
not cut it.
Lin is a good player, I have no doubt. I'm concerned he and Zo are prone
to accidents. I'd like to see someone out there that can contribute while
staying healthy. That said, the GSW gambled on Cousins and he's out there
playing, so I guess the price for Lin could be an important factor, the Cousins
experiment seems to have worked out so far for the GSW (not a real Cousins fan,
I'm just talking about playing / the price tag). |
I don't want to trade the core either... I don't think Lin comes here.
I'm responding to comments like
"How do you say no in Jeremy Linese"
"there is trash left behind in staples" that needs to be picked up
"I'd rather be shot"
On top of the mistatements that he's more injury prone than others who we are pursuing or that he can't shoot.
I was accused of veiled racism for simply saying I didn't like Magic's GM work.
What would someone make of these comments?
Seems like a little more negative energy than his play would deserve. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| yea... uh no. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick?
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
There is gonna be players at the 10th spot that might not be there when they select at 13th. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
There is gonna be players at the 10th spot that might not be there when they select at 13th. |
damn when you put it like that, it changes everything
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| I would say there is a 40% chance we keep the pick and a 60% chance we trade it, if the FO didn’t have so much pressure, I would have guessed that they would have been okay with adding a young player but they probably care more about Impressing LeBron, I would love to keep the pick to be honest. |
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| I'd rather give Caruso those minutes... |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | Lakers fans and Byron mistreated/misused Lin while he was here. The whole thing about how Byron said “No Foul” and Kobe had to foul and the world blamed it on Lin. Lin is a very good back up point guard who needs freedom in the pick and roll. Lakers have been terrible in the pick and roll for over half a decade now. I doubt Lin would want to be a part of the (bleep) show. Russell was also a pick and roll master who we never gave the freedom to. |
we dont want to have an offense thats based on the pick and roll. you wonder why non of those teams have won anything doing that yet. there's a reason. when you get to the playoffs and meat a team that knows how to play defense and gets to study your PnR. they will start shutting down certain aspects of it. now you dont have a plan B because thats all you do all season long. you will lose. and remember we've seen even better players than lin run PnR and still lose to a team with solid defense in the playoffs and a more versatile offense. |
Not completely disagreeing with you, but ask Lebron and the Cavs how they enjoyed defending the Curry/Durant pick and role the last two finals. It seems like the Warriors saved that play just to utterly humiliate and deflate the Cavs in the Finals.
Also, watching the Russell/Allen PnR kinda makes me wish that was our team.
Next season, watch out for the Lebron Kemba PnR. That will be close to unstoppable. |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
I wouldn't give up on Hart just yet. Hes better than whoever the 7th pick will be. |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
There is gonna be players at the 10th spot that might not be there when they select at 13th. |
damn when you put it like that, it changes everything |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
There is gonna be players at the 10th spot that might not be there when they select at 13th. |
damn when you put it like that, it changes everything |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | 10th pick for Justice Winslow and the 13th pick...
Think Heat will do it? |
Why would they trade one of the only good young players they have to move up 3 spots in a draft that's weak.
Would you trade the 10th and Josh Hart for the 7th pick? |
There is gonna be players at the 10th spot that might not be there when they select at 13th. |
damn when you put it like that, it changes everything |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I would say there is a 40% chance we keep the pick and a 60% chance we trade it, if the FO didn’t have so much pressure, I would have guessed that they would have been okay with adding a young player but they probably care more about Impressing LeBron, I would love to keep the pick to be honest. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | Lakers fans and Byron mistreated/misused Lin while he was here. The whole thing about how Byron said “No Foul” and Kobe had to foul and the world blamed it on Lin. Lin is a very good back up point guard who needs freedom in the pick and roll. Lakers have been terrible in the pick and roll for over half a decade now. I doubt Lin would want to be a part of the (bleep) show. Russell was also a pick and roll master who we never gave the freedom to. |
we dont want to have an offense thats based on the pick and roll. you wonder why non of those teams have won anything doing that yet. there's a reason. when you get to the playoffs and meat a team that knows how to play defense and gets to study your PnR. they will start shutting down certain aspects of it. now you dont have a plan B because thats all you do all season long. you will lose. and remember we've seen even better players than lin run PnR and still lose to a team with solid defense in the playoffs and a more versatile offense. |
Not completely disagreeing with you, but ask Lebron and the Cavs how they enjoyed defending the Curry/Durant pick and role the last two finals. It seems like the Warriors saved that play just to utterly humiliate and deflate the Cavs in the Finals.
Also, watching the Russell/Allen PnR kinda makes me wish that was our team.
Next season, watch out for the Lebron Kemba PnR. That will be close to unstoppable. |
curry and durant pick and roll, is not just a typical pick n roll. that's like a pick n roll with two of the best shooters in the league.
people keep making the mistake like some kind of master strategy is going to make up for not having talent. its not the pick n roll...its KD and curry. they could do anything...just spot up, or triangle, or princeton offense....it doesnt matter...it will always be better than whatever we are going to try with lebron and kuz or whatever. |
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| i was watching an intresting video that if the lakers strike out in FA about trading for Blake Griffin. Or sign someone and still trade for him if obviously the Pelicans decide to trade AD elsewhere |
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Jesusdelonla
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| a2j1m wrote: | | i was watching an intresting video that if the lakers strike out in FA about trading for Blake Griffin. Or sign someone and still trade for him if obviously the Pelicans decide to trade AD elsewhere |
I like it but he is making 35m/yr? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | i was watching an intresting video that if the lakers strike out in FA about trading for Blake Griffin. Or sign someone and still trade for him if obviously the Pelicans decide to trade AD elsewhere |
I like it but he is making 35m/yr? |
yes but he is having maybe his best season yet. Prob the best PF after Davis. HEs stretched his game out and could play alot at the 5 |
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