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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:13 am Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Quote: | I mean, this combination would be a killer in the NBA of 15 years ago, but I think a team like this would be killed by the Milwaukees and Torontos of today, that have more versatile and athletic frontcourts. |
Someone would not be happy be sitting out in crunch time.
Max Vuc out (and Porky is extension eligible too) and one is always sitting out in crunch time? That makes for an unhappy locker room
In fact, Luka probably plays best as a small ball PF in closing lineups and that would move Porky to center. Vuc? What's he going to do then? |
Exactly man, that's my point. A Vuc/KP frontcourt is great maybe for the first 6 minutes of the game, but will cause you all sort of trouble as the game unfolds. And you don't want that to happen when you're paying these guys the max. The fit is just bad. |
Yeah. It's a waste for Dallas. Porky should be their "center." If I were them I'd look for as many bigs who can space the floor and defend the "PF" spot. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:22 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | I might be in the minority here but I'd like to see KD and Kyrie each go to the Knicks. The league is better when the Knicks are prominent; the Warriors and Celtics would be weakened; the west would be weakened as well. |
As long as Kawhi comes here I'm fine with both going to the Knicks |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Yeah the best thing about Kyrie and KD going to New York is that it prevents the Clippers with pairing a superstar with Kawhi.
If Philly keeps Harris... would Kawhi want to fight alone with the Clippers?
(I only mention Harris because he actually was a Clipper)
We should put all our energy into signing Kawhi... although again with Klutch... I have little confidence that will be our game plan.
I hope I'm wrong... but I've heard nothing to suggest that we are aggressively pursuing him. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:41 am Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | danzag wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | I might be in the minority here but I'd like to see KD and Kyrie each go to the Knicks. The league is better when the Knicks are prominent; the Warriors and Celtics would be weakened; the west would be weakened as well. |
As long as Kawhi comes here I'm fine with both going to the Knicks |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
love this |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:43 am Post subject: |
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The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:43 am Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | danzag wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | I might be in the minority here but I'd like to see KD and Kyrie each go to the Knicks. The league is better when the Knicks are prominent; the Warriors and Celtics would be weakened; the west would be weakened as well. |
As long as Kawhi comes here I'm fine with both going to the Knicks |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
Let's hope you're right |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Yeah the best thing about Kyrie and KD going to New York is that it prevents the Clippers with pairing a superstar with Kawhi.
If Philly keeps Harris... would Kawhi want to fight alone with the Clippers?
(I only mention Harris because he actually was a Clipper)
We should put all our energy into signing Kawhi... although again with Klutch... I have little confidence that will be our game plan.
I hope I'm wrong... but I've heard nothing to suggest that we are aggressively pursuing him. |
suggest to aggressively pursue Kawhi and get fined for tampering
people dude |
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Robster8989 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | audioaxes wrote: | MJST wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: |
Kawhi or bust.
Klay will gladly sign with Warriors at max if KD leaves |
The Warriors will gladly be offering both the max. Draymond's the one that should be worrying about what he'll be paid in 2 seasons. |
if they would gladly max both of them why did they have to keep begging Durant to take pay cuts throughout his stay there? |
Repeater tax, I believe that this is the first season that they are paying tax. That gives them two more seasons to avoid the repeater tax. |
That plus they now have his Bird rights.
He's been there 3 years.
Past years they had to maneuver cap space to sign him, now cap space is no longer a concern.
They will offer him max.
I also think there is no way Klay is in play.
If KD stays with the W's, keeping Klay would be part of KD staying.
If KD leaves, then no question they max Klay and keep him. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:17 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
But basketball reasons only applies to the Lakers.
The other owners are happy as long as it’s not the Lakers getting superstars. |
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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:30 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
Warriors honestly deserved it.
3 of their All-Stars are all homegrown. Curry, Klay, Draymond.
They then signed Durant in free agency and did the same with Cousins.
Lakers should be doing that, instead of trying to trade away all their homegrown assets. _________________ Tacos |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Yeah the best thing about Kyrie and KD going to New York is that it prevents the Clippers with pairing a superstar with Kawhi.
If Philly keeps Harris... would Kawhi want to fight alone with the Clippers?
(I only mention Harris because he actually was a Clipper)
We should put all our energy into signing Kawhi... although again with Klutch... I have little confidence that will be our game plan.
I hope I'm wrong... but I've heard nothing to suggest that we are aggressively pursuing him. |
why so?
Klutch wants talent around Lebron in LA just as much as the Lakers do and they should know more than anyone who is legitimately in consideration with signing as they have the agent-player and Lebron connections. If they know Kawhi is the most open to joining then theres no way they'd get in the way in letting that happen.
In fact I can actually see Lebron basically saying he'd let Kawhi be the 1A option on the team if he joined. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
I think Butler goes elsewhere. I feel like Atlanta or Dallas may be players for some of these FA's also. |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: |
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- Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks
- Celtics dont trade for AD without Kyrie.
- Knicks pick slips to 3 or 4 and they keep it.
- Lakers get AD with Knicks and Celtics out.
- Would then love if we could figure a way to get Jimmy Butler for like 28-30m a season.
LeBron + AD + Jimmy Butler
Then use room exception on Trevor Ariza, _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | 2019 wrote: |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
I think Butler goes elsewhere. I feel like Atlanta or Dallas may be players for some of these FA's also. |
I think Kawhi is in play for Lakers but likely goes to Clippers.
I think Dallas signs Boogie.
I think Celtics re-sign Rozier if Kyrie leaves.
I think Jimmy Butler goes to Nets if he leaves, although id like him on the Lakers. _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Do everything to get Kawhi. If we get Kawhi, we're okay with no AD. _________________ 24 |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
Warriors honestly deserved it.
3 of their All-Stars are all homegrown. Curry, Klay, Draymond.
They then signed Durant in free agency and did the same with Cousins.
Lakers should be doing that, instead of trying to trade away all their homegrown assets. |
That only works if you have Steph and Klay level homegrown assets which this team does not have. For every team like the Warriors there's many more that did build up from the draft and kept their players around but it didnt amount to anything. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: |
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If Irving goes to New York, the Celtics would be out of the running for Davis ... and New York, depending on how high their pick is, would be the Lakers' primary competition.
If the Knicks get pick number 2 or 3, pretty sure New Orleans takes that pick (over the Lakers' package) and sends Davis to New York.
Also, with regard to Leonard, I have an extremely hard time imagining Magic "out pitching" Jerry West.
If the Lakers free agent success depends on nabbing Leonard with the Clippers and Nets lurking in the shadows, the Lakers are in bad shape.
They may have to punt space again, if for nothing else than to apply massive amounts of pressure to any team thinking of giving up good assets for Davis.
If the Knicks get the number two pick and sign Irving before a potential Davis trade, none if this matters; it's a wrap, IMO.
In this scenario, the Lakers' only viable option is Cousins.
To recap (going off the general principle that New Orleans will only trade Davis to the Lakers as a last resort and that the Lakers will strikeout on all the "big" names):
-- Knicks sign Irving and get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing Cousins.
-- Knicks sign Irving and don't get a top pick ... Lakers try for other FAs but settle on signing the best shooter available (Reddick) to a one-year deal.
In this second scenario, the Lakers' primary threat would be the Clippers. West has real assets to throw at New Orleans and the Clippers might roll the dice on teaming Davis and Leonard up, unafraid of the Lakers stealing him outright in 2020.
If this happens (a Clipper trade for Davis), the Lakers would have to decide between punting (a JJ Reddick signing or an Eric Gordon trade), keeping the threat alive of signing Davis in 2020, or simply signing Cousins and ending the gamesmanship.
My early prediction:
-- If New York gets a top pick, the Lakers will lose out on everyone except Cousins.
-- If New York doesn't get a top pick, the Clippers trade for Davis (and sign Leonard), and the Lakers are forced to either pivot to Cousins or punt space with hopes of stealing Davis from West in 2020.
It's looking more and more likely that Cousins will be the "other" guy with James. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:05 am Post subject: |
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iimarshon wrote: | - Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks
- Celtics dont trade for AD without Kyrie.
- Knicks pick slips to 3 or 4 and they keep it.
- Lakers get AD with Knicks and Celtics out.
- Would then love if we could figure a way to get Jimmy Butler for like 28-30m a season.
LeBron + AD + Jimmy Butler
Then use room exception on Trevor Ariza, |
If Knicks get the #3 pick, New Orleans takes that deal over the Lakers deal. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | - Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks
- Celtics dont trade for AD without Kyrie.
- Knicks pick slips to 3 or 4 and they keep it.
- Lakers get AD with Knicks and Celtics out.
- Would then love if we could figure a way to get Jimmy Butler for like 28-30m a season.
LeBron + AD + Jimmy Butler
Then use room exception on Trevor Ariza, |
If Knicks get the #3 pick, New Orleans takes that deal over the Lakers deal. |
Not necessarily. Why would the Pels covet Barret, Morant or Reddish or whatever non-Zion player over what the Lakers already offered? Kuzma is arguably better than any of those guys, as is Ingram. Add in Lonzo and it's a no-brainer. |
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LAL1947 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:14 am Post subject: |
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audioaxes wrote: | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
Warriors honestly deserved it.
3 of their All-Stars are all homegrown. Curry, Klay, Draymond.
They then signed Durant in free agency and did the same with Cousins.
Lakers should be doing that, instead of trying to trade away all their homegrown assets. |
That only works if you have Steph and Klay level homegrown assets which this team does not have. For every team like the Warriors there's many more that did build up from the draft and kept their players around but it didnt amount to anything. |
I just said this regarding another topic of discussion... but there is not a one-size-fits-all for this. Just because guys like Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma may not develop into providing Curry/Klay level of offense or even get voted onto All-Star teams doesn't mean we can't successfully go down the same path. For one, they have other aspects that help narrow the gap, such as.... defense, athleticism, height. Two, we don't necessarily have to pay them the same level of salaries as a Curry/Klay but could instead manage salaries better to add 2 FAs to the mix instead of 1 or just have better depth overall. Many different ways to skin a cat but we got to finish skinning the darn cat once we've made the first cut, and not move to skinning rabbits and deer and elk before we finish.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:18 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
That’s ridiculous. The NBA should not punish a team for being successful ESPECIALLY when they are driving up revenue although I think that’s a secondary reason. |
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2019 wrote: | danzag wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | I might be in the minority here but I'd like to see KD and Kyrie each go to the Knicks. The league is better when the Knicks are prominent; the Warriors and Celtics would be weakened; the west would be weakened as well. |
As long as Kawhi comes here I'm fine with both going to the Knicks |
that would almost be the ideal scenario if it all played out like this:
NY- Kyrie, KD
Warriors- Klay
Philly- Harris, Butler
Lakers- Kawhi
Clippers- Nada
Hornetts- Kemba
I do feel like Kawhi is somewhat in play for us as long a Magic can hit the right notes of what is important to Kawhi and avoid what's not. |
And an AD trade is still in play in that scenario, as well. _________________ Under New Management |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | - Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks
- Celtics dont trade for AD without Kyrie.
- Knicks pick slips to 3 or 4 and they keep it.
- Lakers get AD with Knicks and Celtics out.
- Would then love if we could figure a way to get Jimmy Butler for like 28-30m a season.
LeBron + AD + Jimmy Butler
Then use room exception on Trevor Ariza, |
If Knicks get the #3 pick, New Orleans takes that deal over the Lakers deal. |
Not necessarily. Why would the Pels covet Barret, Morant or Reddish or whatever non-Zion player over what the Lakers already offered? Kuzma is arguably better than any of those guys, as is Ingram. Add in Lonzo and it's a no-brainer. |
I hear you, but you sound like another biased Laker fan.
Sending stars to opposite conferences is a real thing (reference the Shaq trade). Kuzma DOES NOT have the same value as a #3 pick in the draft ...
... And, most importantly, spite is one helluva drug.
New Orleans would gladly take the #3 pick over the Lakers' package. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | The NBA needs a breakup of the Warriors. It's just not competitive basketball with KD there. |
Warriors honestly deserved it.
3 of their All-Stars are all homegrown. Curry, Klay, Draymond.
They then signed Durant in free agency and did the same with Cousins.
Lakers should be doing that, instead of trying to trade away all their homegrown assets. |
Warriors don't deserve (bleep). West was part of a small rules committee that changed the rules to favor GS's eventual style of play.
It's one thing if all teams are involved in creating new rules. But when a select few do it. And then one of the select few gets to then join a FO and directly benefit from that.
THAT leaves a sour taste in my mouth. And as if that wasn't enough. When people started defending Curry tough off ball. The NBA changed the rules AGAIN. So players can't guard that physically anymore. It's one reason why UTAH struggled early in the season this year. Not to mention the shot clock resetting to 14 seconds instead of 24 now after offensive rebounds. Another rule that disproportionately benefits GS. Since teams were trying to counter their offense by slowing the game down and minimizing the amount of possessions.
Long story short. Screw GS. When the lakers were dominating and winning chips with post play. The rules committee changed things to minimize their effectiveness. The exact opposite has happened with GS. As a Laker fan, it's tough to not be salty. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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