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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:21 pm    Post subject:

The Lebrons wrote:
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Waiting for the Klutch doctors to announce that AD will be out for 18 months


This is going to be an uglier version of Kawhi. Somebody already floated how this will go (Klutch is not exactly subtle...); trade me or I'm "getting surgery" and will be out for the year. Pelicans are big mad though, they may be like "alright cool let us know how that goes"


That is incorrect. Let's say out of the three possible scenarios (he's actually injured, it's Demps' plan to keep him off the court for the year, it's their plan to force a trade to the Lakers) you are correct and it is Rich Paul's plan. The threat of surgery isn't to force a trade, the Pelicans have to trade him or give him up for nothing (they're free to give him up for nothing if they want). Rich will go to Boston and say "trade for AD and he'll have surgery, sit out for the year, and walk afterward" at which point what will Boston offer for AD?

But that's assuming your scenario is the correct one
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:24 pm    Post subject:

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If no stars are available, Vucevic for 20mil and Bojan Bogdanovic for 12mil wouldn’t be too bad. Draft Jontay Porter, then sign a backup PG and PF with the remaining cash + room exception

PG: Ball/FA point
SG: Ingram/Hart
SF: LeBron/Bojan
PF: Kuzma/FA forward
C: Vucevic/Porter

These would be good gets.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject:

If we had stretched Mozgov instead of trading him with DLo...

Ball/Rondo/Bonga
DLo/(Bullock or Svi)
James
Kuzma/Wagner
Randle/(Muscala or Zubac)/Bryant

The only players we wouldn't have ended up with at this point in time are Hart, Lopez, we probably wouldn't have had the money to resign Pope, we may or may not have signed McGee and/or Chandler if we kept Randle, and we wouldn't have a 2nd max slot... I know Hart was selected with the pick we received from Brooklyn, but all indications are that we would have still ended up with Kuzma with the other pick...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject:

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If we had stretched Mozgov instead of trading him with DLo...

Ball/Rondo/Bonga
DLo/(Bullock or Svi)
James
Kuzma/Wagner
Randle/(Muscala or Zubac)/Bryant

The only players we wouldn't have ended up with at this point in time are Hart, Lopez, we probably wouldn't have had the money to resign Pope, we may or may not have signed McGee and/or Chandler if we kept Randle, and we wouldn't have a 2nd max slot... I know Hart was selected with the pick we received from Brooklyn, but all indications are that we would have still ended up with Kuzma with the other pick...

They didn't even needed to stretch him. They could've just waited a little longer before trading him and not have to give up as much.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject:

cital wrote:
If we had stretched Mozgov instead of trading him with DLo...

Ball/Rondo/Bonga
DLo/(Bullock or Svi)
James
Kuzma/Wagner
Randle/(Muscala or Zubac)/Bryant

The only players we wouldn't have ended up with at this point in time are Hart, Lopez, we probably wouldn't have had the money to resign Pope, we may or may not have signed McGee and/or Chandler if we kept Randle, and we wouldn't have a 2nd max slot... I know Hart was selected with the pick we received from Brooklyn, but all indications are that we would have still ended up with Kuzma with the other pick...


Correct me if I'm wrong but I think trading dlo is what got us kuzma
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject:

cital wrote:
Does anyone know what Mozgov's cap hit would have been if we stretched his contract at the same time that we stretched Deng?


With Mozgov giving no discount.

2018 - 19
$16,000,000


$16,720,000 / 3 = $5,573,333

2019 - 20
$5,573,333

2020 - 21
$5,573,333

2021 - 22
$5,573,333


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject:

Our ONLY saving grace this summer to fix everything...

Sign Kyrie

Trade Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks (I would even give up the max four 1st rounders to get it done) for Davis

Resign Bullock

Sign a PF/C with the Room Exception or move Lebron to PF and sign a SF or also move Bullock to SF and sign a SG

Kyrie/Bonga
Bullock, Hart
James
Room Exception, Wagner
Davis

The rest of the roster would have to be filled out with minimum contract/vet ring chasers
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:51 pm    Post subject:

cital wrote:
Our ONLY saving grace this summer to fix everything...

Sign Kyrie

Trade Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks (I would even give up the max four 1st rounders to get it done) for Davis

Resign Bullock

Sign a PF/C with the Room Exception or move Lebron to PF and sign a SF or also move Bullock to SF and sign a SG

Kyrie/Bonga
Bullock, Hart
James
Room Exception, Wagner
Davis

The rest of the roster would have to be filled out with minimum contract/vet ring chasers

That has a lot of potential to backfire with LeBron aging and the other guys being injury prone. The depth would also be questionable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:06 pm    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
cital wrote:
Our ONLY saving grace this summer to fix everything...

Sign Kyrie

Trade Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks (I would even give up the max four 1st rounders to get it done) for Davis

Resign Bullock

Sign a PF/C with the Room Exception or move Lebron to PF and sign a SF or also move Bullock to SF and sign a SG

Kyrie/Bonga
Bullock, Hart
James
Room Exception, Wagner
Davis

The rest of the roster would have to be filled out with minimum contract/vet ring chasers

That has a lot of potential to backfire with LeBron aging and the other guys being injury prone. The depth would also be questionable.


We would get a solid player with the room exception because players would love to come to LA and play on that team. Kyrie and Davis are in their mid 20's and would be playing together for a long time... We would only need to sign a few more players at the minimum to fill out the roster with players that would actually be playing on a nightly basis, and I don't think that would be very difficult either...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject:

Again the Lakersground lineups sound better to me than anything Maginka have come up with.

People say I'm negative... but then why do I like almost everyone's plan B lineups?

Because they are at least sane.

Is that too much to ask for?

ETA: but not the one above me giving up seven assets.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:12 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject:

Daphanabe wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?


Luke hasn't impressed but he's the least of our problems.

We need either Maginka to establish dominance over Klutch... or get rid of them for someone who will at least stand up to them.

I'm not saying to disrespect Klutch. But they need to draw the line at certain assets and stick to their vision.

If we execute a Godfather trade and lose 7 to 10 assets... I'm going to be very disillusioned until those two have retired.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:19 pm    Post subject:

Daphanabe wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?


I seriously hope they aren’t faking an injury. Why not after the ASG? People thought Lebron was faking his groin injury just to get Luke fired. Don’t get me wrong, Lebron isn’t doing Luke any favors, but to fake an injury? Lebron took his time because he needed to completely heal or risk over compensating and injuring something else. Plus, we needed to see what the core was made of.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:23 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?


I seriously hope they aren’t faking an injury. Why not after the ASG? People thought Lebron was faking his groin injury just to get Luke fired. Don’t get me wrong, Lebron isn’t doing Luke any favors, but to fake an injury? Lebron took his time because he needed to completely heal or risk over compensating and injuring something else. Plus, we needed to see what the core was made of.


The core was playing .500 ball when all four of them and Zubac were intact.

Which is pretty much what AD was doing with Randle and Jrue.

They only went down the toilet when Lonzo got hurt.

I hate the narrative that the core is terrible because they weren't until they were injured and sold down the river by their bosses.

I really hope they are working on another FA... but it sounds like they are in pure stealth mode to bring AD come hell or high water.

As the old saying goes... Be careful what you wish for...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:25 pm    Post subject:

So.

Morris - Thunder
Kanter - Blazers
Matthews - Pacers
Ellington - Pistons

Who else is out there?, other than Melo.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:30 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?


I seriously hope they aren’t faking an injury. Why not after the ASG? People thought Lebron was faking his groin injury just to get Luke fired. Don’t get me wrong, Lebron isn’t doing Luke any favors, but to fake an injury? Lebron took his time because he needed to completely heal or risk over compensating and injuring something else. Plus, we needed to see what the core was made of.


The core was playing .500 ball when all four of them and Zubac were intact.

Which is pretty much what AD was doing with Randle and Jrue.

They only went down the toilet when Lonzo got hurt.

I hate the narrative that the core is terrible because they weren't until they were injured and sold down the river by their bosses.

I really hope they are working on another FA... but it sounds like they are in pure stealth mode to bring AD come hell or high water.

As the old saying goes... Be careful what you wish for...


Trust me. I think Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma was too much to give up. I wanted to at least keep Ball or Ingram. Hopefully the price will go down this summer for Davis & we get to keep our DWade while we ship out Caron Butler and Lamar Odom.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:30 pm    Post subject:

Showty wrote:
So.

Morris - Thunder
Kanter - Blazers
Matthews - Pacers
Ellington - Pistons

Who else is out there?, other than Melo.

Robin Lopez, McLemore, Gortat, Monroe, and Casspi are the only notable players left outside of Melo.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:33 am    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
Showty wrote:
So.

Morris - Thunder
Kanter - Blazers
Matthews - Pacers
Ellington - Pistons

Who else is out there?, other than Melo.

Robin Lopez, McLemore, Gortat, Monroe, and Casspi are the only notable players left outside of Melo.

Why not? He is a good shooter. Its better to have him than Melo for sure.
Gortat would be also OK
Big NO to Lopez
Monroe also NO
Casspi NO
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:47 am    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
Showty wrote:
So.

Morris - Thunder
Kanter - Blazers
Matthews - Pacers
Ellington - Pistons

Who else is out there?, other than Melo.

Robin Lopez, McLemore, Gortat, Monroe, and Casspi are the only notable players left outside of Melo.


Michael Beasley...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:43 am    Post subject:

Offer up max money to the stars available, best chance might be Kyrie, teamed with LeBron, rubbing it in the Celtics faces, I love it. Try a sign and trade of KCP and Ball or KCP, Wagner and a pick to Orlando for a sign and trade of Vuc.

Vuc.
Kuzma
Lebron
BI
Kyrie

I'd say that would be a very good off-season.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:35 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


I would be stoked with Middleton. I would no longer classify him as a 2nd tier. He is everything the Dr. ordered (age, good 3 point and ft shooter, can create his own shot, can play solid D and cover multiple positions). His was INCREDIBLE in his playoff run last year.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:44 am    Post subject:

kawhileonard wrote:
KD and Leonard would be the absolute jackpot.....

However, if we get either of them or both, INgram and Kuzma's days will be numbered if they aren't already....

Still think we need a combo guard, which DLO would of been perfect for.


Yeah... not sure which one I'd like to part with and for whom.

Ingram adds more to the table and has more upside, but Kuzma costs less and is maybe a better fit? I'm not sure, those guys score a lot.

Maybe Ingram's better defense, playmaking and ability to play SG would make him a better fit.

It's a difficult decision, but Kawhi is my favorite player in the NBA right now. I'd be thrilled if we can get him.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:45 am    Post subject:

RI Laker wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


I would be stoked with Middleton. I would no longer classify him as a 2nd tier. He is everything the Dr. ordered (age, good 3 point and ft shooter, can create his own shot, can play solid D and cover multiple positions). His was INCREDIBLE in his playoff run last year.


I'd love him too, but there's absolutely no way Milwaukee lets him go IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:13 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Like it or not guys, our off season will likely end up like this:

We might sign Cousins to a 1 year large deal

We might get a 2nd tier like Middleton

Or our last resort will be making a push for AD or Beal and even both.


Yeah, Davis leaves arena in second half with Rich Paul with hurt arm, probably out for rest of year, damaged goods is not what they wanted...


been a theory out there this week that AD would go into the summer with an "injury" that may or may not need surgery that would put him out for most of next year.....and Paul would use that threat to make the Celtics stand down.


Boss move by RP if true. Machiavellian plotting at its finest.


Machiavelli lost his position and was hung by his shoulders until they were dislocated (Foreshadowing?)

However, he did survive and was able to write his books in peace.


Can we legally do this to Luke?


I seriously hope they aren’t faking an injury. Why not after the ASG? People thought Lebron was faking his groin injury just to get Luke fired. Don’t get me wrong, Lebron isn’t doing Luke any favors, but to fake an injury? Lebron took his time because he needed to completely heal or risk over compensating and injuring something else. Plus, we needed to see what the core was made of.


The core was playing .500 ball when all four of them and Zubac were intact.

Which is pretty much what AD was doing with Randle and Jrue.

They only went down the toilet when Lonzo got hurt.

I hate the narrative that the core is terrible because they weren't until they were injured and sold down the river by their bosses.

I really hope they are working on another FA... but it sounds like they are in pure stealth mode to bring AD come hell or high water.

As the old saying goes... Be careful what you wish for...


The core? Does that include LBJ who sort of important to that?

The real downfall was LBJ, then Lonzo/Rondo going out too.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:24 am    Post subject:

McLemore greatest highlights are getting dunked on by Lebron, and having the ball stolen twice by KL back to back.
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