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| StoicChalice392 wrote: |
lol. Didn't this guy doze off while sitting on the bench? This guy is suffering from ADD.
Clippers have ADD, we have AD!! |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Trying to think of reasonable salary amounts for potential Kuz/Caruso extensions. Neither is indispensable, but it can be tricky trying to replace them with minimum contract free agents.
Kuz: 3/$40-45?
Caruso: 3/$20-25?
A bit rich, but neither seems unmovable and Kuz could continue to improve making his deal a bargain. |
Kuz is restricted so we can wait but Caruso can become unrestricted. I think extending Caruso now is more prudent. That price range looks reasonable that he might accept it in a heartbeat as oppose to risk and roll the dice. |
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An insane off-season capped off by a minimum 4-year commitment from one of our superstars, in addition to a 3-year one from the other
Sign one more point guard and we're set!
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| I think I saw somewhere on Twitter that Caruso is not extension-eligible by virtue of his 2-year deal. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Trying to think of reasonable salary amounts for potential Kuz/Caruso extensions. Neither is indispensable, but it can be tricky trying to replace them with minimum contract free agents.
Kuz: 3/$40-45?
Caruso: 3/$20-25?
A bit rich, but neither seems unmovable and Kuz could continue to improve making his deal a bargain. |
Kuz is restricted so we can wait but Caruso can become unrestricted. I think extending Caruso now is more prudent. That price range looks reasonable that he might accept it in a heartbeat as oppose to risk and roll the dice. |
Hard to predict what a "reasonable " contract actually might be.
Comparable situation (not exact, but similar) that comes to mind for me is Matt Dellavedova. He had a similar role player impact/popularity on a championship team and ended up with a 4 yr /38M contract.
Would a team use their MLE on Caruso if he has another solid year? Would the couple extra million a year and maybe a starting position lure him? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | We need to start an official Klutch thread. We know our shadow GM Rich Paul gonna be funneling players to the Lakers for years to come. |
I bet Rich Paul and Klutch is already working on getting Tatum here in the future  |
I actually prefer Tatum over Giannis. Tatum is a better fit (more of a SG that can slide to sf if needed). Giannis can't space the floor to give AD and LBJ room to operate in the paint.
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| Laker7 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | We need to start an official Klutch thread. We know our shadow GM Rich Paul gonna be funneling players to the Lakers for years to come. |
I bet Rich Paul and Klutch is already working on getting Tatum here in the future |
I actually prefer Tatum over Giannis. Tatum is a better fit (more of a SG that can slide to sf if needed). Giannis can't space the floor to give AD and LBJ room to operate in the paint. |
Tatum signing with the Lakers would be sooooooo sweet LOL |
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| In essence we would have had Tatum now if Magic wasn’t all gushy and goshy with Lonzo Ball, Tatum is more of a guy who knows what it takes to be apart of the Lakers franchise because he grew up idolizing Kobe, we are gonna regret that decision in the future but for now we are gonna be better then the Celtics. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | In essence we would have had Tatum now if Magic wasn’t all gushy and goshy with Lonzo Ball, Tatum is more of a guy who knows what it takes to be apart of the Lakers franchise because he grew up idolizing Kobe, we are gonna regret that decision in the future but for now we are gonna be better then the Celtics. |
well we would have likely traded tatum to NO anyway i guess then. |
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With the last 2 roster spot, whom do you prefer to be our 3rd string PG?
Quinn Cook or Emmanuel Mudiay?
Then for additional Bigs Pau Gasol? or Dedmon? or O'Quinn? |
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| jankobe wrote: | With the last 2 roster spot, whom do you prefer to be our 3rd string PG?
Quinn Cook or Emmanuel Mudiay?
Then for additional Bigs Pau Gasol? or Dedmon? or O'Quinn? |
Shabazz Napier and Dwayne Dedmon |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Los Angeles Lakers offseason
- Max extension for Anthony Davis
- Trade for Dennis Schroder
- Sign Montrezl Harrell
- Sign Wesley Matthews
- Sign Marc Gasol
- Re-signed Markieff Morris
- Re-signed KCP
- Extend LeBron James to 2023 |
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Great offseason.
The only things I would quibble with is:
-- If the Lakers had handled Dwight better, he'd be our backup center.
-- We can argue if Morris, as talented as he is, is the best fit for the MLE.
Overall, though, I can't complain.
Now the question is whether the pieces will fit together as well as they did last year. How will the trade of defense for offense work out?
On paper, we look better. |
If we kept Dwight, we wouldn't sign Marc and he might've gone to a competitor like the Clippers.
I'm quite OK with the trade-off.
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| Quote: | How could the defending champs bring a third star to LA to suit up with James and Davis? It may have to be via sign and trade. After going dormant for a few years, sign and trades have come back in a big way over the last two free agency periods. For the Lakers, who will be over the cap, this is one path to adding a third star.
Pelinka could send out a package of Caldwell-Pope, Gasol and any number of players who could be signed and traded like Schroder, Kuzma or Caruso. That’s enough to get the Lakers in the $35-40 million dollar range it would take to acquire a star free agent.
There is also the ability to make a straight trade for a superstar that’s already under contract. If someone like James Harden or Bradley Beal decided he wanted to play in Los Angles, the Lakers could put together a package of the above players and the few remaining first-round picks they have left, to get in the mix.
Then there is the least exciting, but most likely path of continuing forward as they did this offseason. The Lakers already have James and Davis. That’s a place the other 29 teams wish they could start from. They added quality depth around them in the last month by making use of every available exception they had. That’s a viable strategy to run back in the summer.
LA won’t have the Bi-Annual Exception next year, after using it to sign Wesley Matthews this year (the BAE can only be used every other season), but they’ll have the Taxpayer Mid-level Exception. That’s a handy tool to add a player for about $5.9 million in first-year salary. And they can re-sign their own free agents as well, like they did this offseason with Morris and Dudley. Kuzma would be the main player to keep an eye on here. |
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| wsjan wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Los Angeles Lakers offseason
- Max extension for Anthony Davis
- Trade for Dennis Schroder
- Sign Montrezl Harrell
- Sign Wesley Matthews
- Sign Marc Gasol
- Re-signed Markieff Morris
- Re-signed KCP
- Extend LeBron James to 2023 |
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Great offseason.
The only things I would quibble with is:
-- If the Lakers had handled Dwight better, he'd be our backup center.
-- We can argue if Morris, as talented as he is, is the best fit for the MLE.
Overall, though, I can't complain.
Now the question is whether the pieces will fit together as well as they did last year. How will the trade of defense for offense work out?
On paper, we look better. |
If we kept Dwight, we wouldn't sign Marc and he might've gone to a competitor like the Clippers.
I'm quite OK with the trade-off. |
I wanted Dwight too but we were never going to get Gasol + Howard + Harrell.
We are at 13 now with 1 spot open. Assuming everything broke the same way there's no way howard would have been the 14th man. |
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IMO Pelinka is saving his last full for a waived player. Maybe former client Ariza? Then the last slot would be a midseason break in case on emergency type insurance that would go to Pau if we dont have to use it.
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | How could the defending champs bring a third star to LA to suit up with James and Davis? It may have to be via sign and trade. After going dormant for a few years, sign and trades have come back in a big way over the last two free agency periods. For the Lakers, who will be over the cap, this is one path to adding a third star.
Pelinka could send out a package of Caldwell-Pope, Gasol and any number of players who could be signed and traded like Schroder, Kuzma or Caruso. That’s enough to get the Lakers in the $35-40 million dollar range it would take to acquire a star free agent.
There is also the ability to make a straight trade for a superstar that’s already under contract. If someone like James Harden or Bradley Beal decided he wanted to play in Los Angles, the Lakers could put together a package of the above players and the few remaining first-round picks they have left, to get in the mix.
Then there is the least exciting, but most likely path of continuing forward as they did this offseason. The Lakers already have James and Davis. That’s a place the other 29 teams wish they could start from. They added quality depth around them in the last month by making use of every available exception they had. That’s a viable strategy to run back in the summer.
LA won’t have the Bi-Annual Exception next year, after using it to sign Wesley Matthews this year (the BAE can only be used every other season), but they’ll have the Taxpayer Mid-level Exception. That’s a handy tool to add a player for about $5.9 million in first-year salary. And they can re-sign their own free agents as well, like they did this offseason with Morris and Dudley. Kuzma would be the main player to keep an eye on here. |
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Unless they really don't fit or cause problems, I really hope we extend both Schroder and Harrell past their current contracts. That way, at the very least we'll have our core for the next 3-5 years. If either or both leave at the end of their contracts, it will be really hard for us to replace them given that we'll be over the cap.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | In essence we would have had Tatum now if Magic wasn’t all gushy and goshy with Lonzo Ball, Tatum is more of a guy who knows what it takes to be apart of the Lakers franchise because he grew up idolizing Kobe, we are gonna regret that decision in the future but for now we are gonna be better then the Celtics. |
Possibly - remember, the Celtics traded down a tad since they apparently "knew" Tatum would be there. Perhaps they do not if they got an serious vibe Lakers would get Tatum. |
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| wsjan wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Los Angeles Lakers offseason
- Max extension for Anthony Davis
- Trade for Dennis Schroder
- Sign Montrezl Harrell
- Sign Wesley Matthews
- Sign Marc Gasol
- Re-signed Markieff Morris
- Re-signed KCP
- Extend LeBron James to 2023 |
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Great offseason.
The only things I would quibble with is:
-- If the Lakers had handled Dwight better, he'd be our backup center.
-- We can argue if Morris, as talented as he is, is the best fit for the MLE.
Overall, though, I can't complain.
Now the question is whether the pieces will fit together as well as they did last year. How will the trade of defense for offense work out?
On paper, we look better. |
If we kept Dwight, we wouldn't sign Marc and he might've gone to a competitor like the Clippers.
I'm quite OK with the trade-off. |
I don't think one had anything to do with the other. Gasol is going to play no more than 25 minutes. I can't see why it would bother him to have Dwight as the backup, as he was last year. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | In essence we would have had Tatum now if Magic wasn’t all gushy and goshy with Lonzo Ball, Tatum is more of a guy who knows what it takes to be apart of the Lakers franchise because he grew up idolizing Kobe, we are gonna regret that decision in the future but for now we are gonna be better then the Celtics. |
Everything is easy in hindsight. At the time of the draft, most people rated Ball above Tatum. In fact, a lot of people criticized Boston for taking Tatum over Josh Jackson. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | wsjan wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | Los Angeles Lakers offseason
- Max extension for Anthony Davis
- Trade for Dennis Schroder
- Sign Montrezl Harrell
- Sign Wesley Matthews
- Sign Marc Gasol
- Re-signed Markieff Morris
- Re-signed KCP
- Extend LeBron James to 2023 |
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A+ offseason |
Great offseason.
The only things I would quibble with is:
-- If the Lakers had handled Dwight better, he'd be our backup center.
-- We can argue if Morris, as talented as he is, is the best fit for the MLE.
Overall, though, I can't complain.
Now the question is whether the pieces will fit together as well as they did last year. How will the trade of defense for offense work out?
On paper, we look better. |
If we kept Dwight, we wouldn't sign Marc and he might've gone to a competitor like the Clippers.
I'm quite OK with the trade-off. |
I don't think one had anything to do with the other. Gasol is going to play no more than 25 minutes. I can't see why it would bother him to have Dwight as the backup, as he was last year. |
Because Trezz is the backup, and by them not signing another backup, they obviously were not looking for another 7 footer because they had some choices and open spots.
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | How could the defending champs bring a third star to LA to suit up with James and Davis? It may have to be via sign and trade. After going dormant for a few years, sign and trades have come back in a big way over the last two free agency periods. For the Lakers, who will be over the cap, this is one path to adding a third star.
Pelinka could send out a package of Caldwell-Pope, Gasol and any number of players who could be signed and traded like Schroder, Kuzma or Caruso. That’s enough to get the Lakers in the $35-40 million dollar range it would take to acquire a star free agent.
There is also the ability to make a straight trade for a superstar that’s already under contract. If someone like James Harden or Bradley Beal decided he wanted to play in Los Angles, the Lakers could put together a package of the above players and the few remaining first-round picks they have left, to get in the mix.
Then there is the least exciting, but most likely path of continuing forward as they did this offseason. The Lakers already have James and Davis. That’s a place the other 29 teams wish they could start from. They added quality depth around them in the last month by making use of every available exception they had. That’s a viable strategy to run back in the summer.
LA won’t have the Bi-Annual Exception next year, after using it to sign Wesley Matthews this year (the BAE can only be used every other season), but they’ll have the Taxpayer Mid-level Exception. That’s a handy tool to add a player for about $5.9 million in first-year salary. And they can re-sign their own free agents as well, like they did this offseason with Morris and Dudley. Kuzma would be the main player to keep an eye on here. |
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Hmm.. Trez, Dennis, KCP, Kuzma.. all relatively young. A combination of those guys and some picks, or let Freak walk for nothing? If I'm the Bucks I'd make a deal. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Trying to think of reasonable salary amounts for potential Kuz/Caruso extensions. Neither is indispensable, but it can be tricky trying to replace them with minimum contract free agents.
Kuz: 3/$40-45?
Caruso: 3/$20-25?
A bit rich, but neither seems unmovable and Kuz could continue to improve making his deal a bargain. |
Kuz is restricted so we can wait but Caruso can become unrestricted. I think extending Caruso now is more prudent. That price range looks reasonable that he might accept it in a heartbeat as oppose to risk and roll the dice. |
Hard to predict what a "reasonable " contract actually might be.
Comparable situation (not exact, but similar) that comes to mind for me is Matt Dellavedova. He had a similar role player impact/popularity on a championship team and ended up with a 4 yr /38M contract.
Would a team use their MLE on Caruso if he has another solid year? Would the couple extra million a year and maybe a starting position lure him? |
Caruso seems like a taxpayer MLE, but not a non-taxpayer MLE caliber signing. So giving him a contract that bumps him above the taxpayer MLE towards the non-taxpayer MLE seems like fair value.
Also, he seems super self-aware. Kuz still has visions of individual glory, but AC is a former undrafted afterthought turned Lebron buddy and NBA champion - he knows where his bread is buttered.
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | AD extension! The goal for building our future team around AD should be
1. Internal player development
2. Making most of limited drafted capital (We need a repeat of Hart/Kuz/Bonga/Wanger/Zubac)
3. Finding diamonds in the rough on the free agent market in the future (Shaq Harrison
The Tim Duncan/Spurs method. |
Time to buy some 2nd rd picks. |
Just naming the guys the Lakers have hit on with late 1st/2nd round picks is amazing. Will need more of the same going forward. We already have a great core to build on post LeBron with AD/Trezz/Kuz/KCP/Schroder/THT/Caruso
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance
Kyle Kuzma
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Ivicia Zubac
Issac Bonga
Imagine adding 2-3 of those caliber guys to our team over the next couple drafts.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Trying to think of reasonable salary amounts for potential Kuz/Caruso extensions. Neither is indispensable, but it can be tricky trying to replace them with minimum contract free agents.
Kuz: 3/$40-45?
Caruso: 3/$20-25?
A bit rich, but neither seems unmovable and Kuz could continue to improve making his deal a bargain. |
Kuz is restricted so we can wait but Caruso can become unrestricted. I think extending Caruso now is more prudent. That price range looks reasonable that he might accept it in a heartbeat as oppose to risk and roll the dice. |
Hard to predict what a "reasonable " contract actually might be.
Comparable situation (not exact, but similar) that comes to mind for me is Matt Dellavedova. He had a similar role player impact/popularity on a championship team and ended up with a 4 yr /38M contract.
Would a team use their MLE on Caruso if he has another solid year? Would the couple extra million a year and maybe a starting position lure him? |
The big difference is Dellavedora was a great shooter -- 41% from three pointers before he got his big contract. Dellavedova was a disappointment after he got his contract, in part because he immediately got a bunch of injuries.
Caruso is a terrible shooter. He has the fan favorite/underdog thing going for him in LA, but it's hard to imagine him starting on a good team. Seems very much a specialist. |
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