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| Mike@LG wrote: | Kuzma needs to play next to a lower usage point guard to help him cut the distance to the hoop in order to optimize his contract offers.
That guy was Lonzo. LaMelo Ball would help out tremendously too.
It isn't Rozier. It isn't Graham. Those are SGs in PG bodies. |
For some reason Steven A and the Clips think Rozier is the guy for them.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | Kuzma needs to play next to a lower usage point guard to help him cut the distance to the hoop in order to optimize his contract offers.
That guy was Lonzo. LaMelo Ball would help out tremendously too.
It isn't Rozier. It isn't Graham. Those are SGs in PG bodies. |
For some reason Steven A and the Clips think Rozier is the guy for them. |
Rozier is the type that would fit better with the Clippers than CHA. It's easier when someone else is carrying the burden of playmaking, in this case, Kawhi.
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
You mean Batum? I don't think anyone could have projected for him to be washed so quickly.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
You mean Batum? I don't think anyone could have projected for him to be washed so quickly. |
Hayward. |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
I doubt Mitch trades with the Lakers. FWIW, I have not been impressed with his work in Charlotte.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
You mean Batum? I don't think anyone could have projected for him to be washed so quickly. |
Hayward. |
Hayward had a hell of a recovery year, and CHA made him that offer because Gordon wanted to be in CHA way back to 2014.
Pretty easy decision if you ask me, especially on a team where it's really difficult to attract near star FAs.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
You mean Batum? I don't think anyone could have projected for him to be washed so quickly. |
Hayward. |
Hayward had a hell of a recovery year, and CHA made him that offer because Gordon wanted to be in CHA way back to 2014.
Pretty easy decision if you ask me, especially on a team where it's really difficult to attract near star FAs. |
I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+. Talk to any Boston fan. All they can say is that he is not close to being the same player... |
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| Quote: | I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+.
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As opposed to no improvement at all?
CHA was happy with it. They're not exactly in position to be picky.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | Kuzma needs to play next to a lower usage point guard to help him cut the distance to the hoop in order to optimize his contract offers.
That guy was Lonzo. LaMelo Ball would help out tremendously too.
It isn't Rozier. It isn't Graham. Those are SGs in PG bodies. |
For some reason Steven A and the Clips think Rozier is the guy for them. |
Rozier is the type that would fit better with the Clippers than CHA. It's easier when someone else is carrying the burden of playmaking, in this case, Kawhi. |
But they want to move away from Kawhi being the play maker.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+.
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As opposed to no improvement at all?
CHA was happy with it. They're not exactly in position to be picky. |
This is where we disagree. He will be a negative player on that team. Lakers were happy too when they first signed Moz/Deng.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+.
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As opposed to no improvement at all?
CHA was happy with it. They're not exactly in position to be picky. |
why not just roll with ball and see what you got. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+.
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As opposed to no improvement at all?
CHA was happy with it. They're not exactly in position to be picky. |
why not just roll with ball and see what you got. |
Because he's a young PG that still has things to work on, while Hayward helps solidify their frontline?
Adding Hayward makes it easier considering both Rozier and Graham are SGs in PG bodies, so makes sense from an initiating standpoint.
LaMelo Ball may not even be a Top 5-7 pick for the 2021 draft.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I see no problem with overpaying but at least pay someone that is healthy and not 30+.
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As opposed to no improvement at all?
CHA was happy with it. They're not exactly in position to be picky. |
This is where we disagree. He will be a negative player on that team. Lakers were happy too when they first signed Moz/Deng. |
You're right we disagree. Hayward is clearly better than both of those guys.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | In regards to CHA, trading Graham for a role player, is a non-starter.
Doesn't matter if they have 3 PGs. CHA was smart in drafting their idea of BPA. |
This is the same team that gave 120M to a broken down 30 year old. I don't think we can predict what they will do. |
You mean Batum? I don't think anyone could have projected for him to be washed so quickly. |
Hayward. |
Hayward had a hell of a recovery year, and CHA made him that offer because Gordon wanted to be in CHA way back to 2014.
Pretty easy decision if you ask me, especially on a team where it's really difficult to attract near star FAs. |
Unless they want him for team culture issues, I completely disagree with you about Hayward.
He had a great bounce back season at age 30 on a team that expected nothing from him, but he's getting main guy money for 4 years and will rob minutes from Washington and Bridges.
I understand that they have to spend the money on someone, I just tthink they paid $40 million too much.
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There are rumors floating around I think Windhorst started one of them that AD could be waiting on Giannis' to make a decision before he signs a new contract.
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Unless they want him for team culture issues, I completely disagree with you about Hayward.
He had a great bounce back season at age 30 on a team that expected nothing from him, but he's getting main guy money for 4 years and will rob minutes from Washington and Bridges.
I understand that they have to spend the money on someone, I just tthink they paid $40 million too much. |
I value playmakers over finishers. Hayward can do that. Washington and Bridges can't. Also, it's clear to me that Hayward is a 3 while the other guys are 4s, and if anything, Bridges is a tweener.
If they ran LAL's system, Hayward would actually play at 1, and fortunately, BOS wasn't creative enough to institute more of that next to Tatum and Jaylen.
If you're CHA, you're lucky a Top 50 to 75 player even looks your way. What's the point of not spending the money to stay on a bad team? Using cap room on multiple guys that don't really move the needle vs a guy that possibly can?
From an LAL point of view, it looks like an overpay. For CHA, it's a good play. Hayward proved he can play most of a season at a high level, and he's easily the best player on the team right now. So, what's the issue?
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: |
Unless they want him for team culture issues, I completely disagree with you about Hayward.
He had a great bounce back season at age 30 on a team that expected nothing from him, but he's getting main guy money for 4 years and will rob minutes from Washington and Bridges.
I understand that they have to spend the money on someone, I just tthink they paid $40 million too much. |
I value playmakers over finishers. Hayward can do that. Washington and Bridges can't. Also, it's clear to me that Hayward is a 3 while the other guys are 4s, and if anything, Bridges is a tweener.
If they ran LAL's system, Hayward would actually play at 1, and fortunately, BOS wasn't creative enough to institute more of that next to Tatum and Jaylen.
If you're CHA, you're lucky a Top 50 to 75 player even looks your way. What's the point of not spending the money to stay on a bad team? Using cap room on multiple guys that don't really move the needle vs a guy that possibly can?
From an LAL point of view, it looks like an overpay. For CHA, it's a good play. Hayward proved he can play most of a season at a high level, and he's easily the best player on the team right now. So, what's the issue? |
No issue there, I agree. IF heathy, Hayward should have a great season & that's a mouth full for CHA to look forward to.
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| deal wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: |
Unless they want him for team culture issues, I completely disagree with you about Hayward.
He had a great bounce back season at age 30 on a team that expected nothing from him, but he's getting main guy money for 4 years and will rob minutes from Washington and Bridges.
I understand that they have to spend the money on someone, I just tthink they paid $40 million too much. |
I value playmakers over finishers. Hayward can do that. Washington and Bridges can't. Also, it's clear to me that Hayward is a 3 while the other guys are 4s, and if anything, Bridges is a tweener.
If they ran LAL's system, Hayward would actually play at 1, and fortunately, BOS wasn't creative enough to institute more of that next to Tatum and Jaylen.
If you're CHA, you're lucky a Top 50 to 75 player even looks your way. What's the point of not spending the money to stay on a bad team? Using cap room on multiple guys that don't really move the needle vs a guy that possibly can?
From an LAL point of view, it looks like an overpay. For CHA, it's a good play. Hayward proved he can play most of a season at a high level, and he's easily the best player on the team right now. So, what's the issue? |
No issue there, I agree. IF heathy, Hayward should have a great season & that's a mouth full for CHA to look forward to. |
Achilles injuries are always tough to handle, but a 10 game shortened season with less travel should only help, not hurt.
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1332479064976748545?s=21
Not bad for scrubs. |
and who was the Lakers coach during their early development years?
Maybe they would have developed faster and better under a better coach.
In any event, no doubt in my mind that Puke and his "coaching style" hindered their development. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1332479064976748545?s=21
Not bad for scrubs. |
Happy for them but honestly I'm glad it's not us paying them that money lol. |
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| HermosaJoe wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1332479064976748545?s=21
Not bad for scrubs. |
and who was the Lakers coach during their early development years?
Maybe they would have developed faster and better under a better coach.
In any event, no doubt in my mind that Puke and his "coaching style" hindered their development. |
Don’t forget Byron Scott.
They were doomed from the very start being coached under the two worst coaches in Lakers history.
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| Megaton wrote: | | HermosaJoe wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1332479064976748545?s=21
Not bad for scrubs. |
and who was the Lakers coach during their early development years?
Maybe they would have developed faster and better under a better coach.
In any event, no doubt in my mind that Puke and his "coaching style" hindered their development. |
Don’t forget Byron Scott.
They were doomed from the very start being coached under the two worst coaches in Lakers history. |
Randy Pfund and Magic Johnson say Hi. Can't forget about the 1993/94 Lakers - the worst team of that decade. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | HermosaJoe wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1332479064976748545?s=21
Not bad for scrubs. |
and who was the Lakers coach during their early development years?
Maybe they would have developed faster and better under a better coach.
In any event, no doubt in my mind that Puke and his "coaching style" hindered their development. |
Don’t forget Byron Scott.
They were doomed from the very start being coached under the two worst coaches in Lakers history. |
Randy Pfund and Magic Johnson say Hi. Can't forget about the 1993/94 Lakers - the worst team of that decade. |
Kind of crazy, I seen some article awhile back talking about the worst talk show hosts ever and Magic was mentioned in there too haha
He's had some rough choices after retirement but i'm just glad I can go back to mostly remembering him as a great player again now that he's out of the front office. |
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