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a2j1m
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Is DJ Augustine still available ? I’d love him as a backup. Possiblly Bryn Forbes or Etwaun Moore for shooting and then Boogie
Resign Markieff Morris as well |
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fansincemagic
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| Kuz will still get minutes, but even if he buys into a defensive role he may not get touches with the new options. Hope he's content in a contract year. They could look to move him especially if they end up with some solid vet min guys like Keiff, Batum, etc.. We could have a big injury and still move him with Javale for a starter level player. |
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BigE32
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| No, Augustine agreed to a three year deal with the Bucks. I hope we sign Morris. |
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la4win
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| a2j1m wrote: | Is DJ Augustine still available ? I’d love him as a backup. Possiblly Bryn Forbes or Etwaun Moore for shooting and then Boogie
Resign Markieff Morris as well |
Got 3yrs 21mil with Bucks. |
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DLaker
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:54 am Post subject: Title vs Current squad |
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Top Performer by minutes
AD - still here
LBJ - still here
KCP - still here
DG - Wes (toss up maybe slightly better)
Rondo - Schroeder (younger rondo maybe not as smart)
AC - still here
Kuz - still here
Morris - hope he comes back
Dwight - Montrez (same energy but more production)
McGee - still here
How can anybody complain on how our off season went. We still not done making move and have not mentioned THT making some contribution this year. If Morris gets locked up, I feel real good about this current squad. Adding a def Big and stretch like Gasol would make me ecstatic. Pls no more complaint cause this new squad is better IMO and a lot younger with the same timeline as AD |
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PHILosophize
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Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason
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RI Laker
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| Hollinger is a dope fein and has been hitting it for a long time. His binger has been weeks and its not ending soon. He really has been a moron for a while now and everyone should immediately dismiss what he says. |
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roger_federer
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| governator wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:
The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)
Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.
Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.
On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.
In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.
Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.
One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long. |
Known hater, love for Pelinka to prove him wrong and shut his mouth. Alway hated this dude. |
What the article failed to mention is LeBron-AD-Schroeder-Montrezl is the best 1-4option in the league, one that has 2 MVP level, 1 DPOY and 2 6thMOY playing (and depth is good even before filling up the 4 min slots, Caruso, KCP, Wes, THT, Kuz, McGee, add 3-4 more names)... if the price to pay is difficulty at picking up waiver wire and trying to paint a bleak picture... LOL LOL |
Four of these biggest strength is same- play in the paint |
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| eagles nut wrote: | | Hollinger makes no sense. The reason that KCP got the contract he did is because if they didn't sign him to that then he probably goes to the Knicks on a big 1 year deal like he did with the Lakers when first acquired. The hard cap had no affect on that. If, they use the taxpayer MLE on a different center then they'd still have only the minimum available for other players. They could have potentially re-signed Bradley using his non-bird rights but I think that ship had sailed anyway. If the Lakers need cap room, they ship out McGee with a couple of 2nds. Not a huge deal. |
Hollinger is right in the abstract. He just doesn't consider the dynamics of the relationship with Team Lebron. We are overpaying KCP, just as we always have. We're underpaying Harrell a little in the short run, but we'll need to make it up in the long run. For this year, we're hard capped.
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Rob Pelinka had a tough balancing act between competing for a championship this year and looking to the future with Anthony Davis. The team got younger but it also lost a lot of veteran experience.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
This ..............if Rob can pull off these two signings, we will be in terrific shape. |
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RI Laker
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| We are in great shape and Rob has numerous avenues to finish the roster. Be patient. Rob has EARNED our trust. |
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roger_federer
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I highly doubt morris and gasol coming for a vet minimum. Look how other players got paid.
We wanted gallo/grant/dragic/bogdan etc for MLE - all these guys got insane deals....
I know trezz gets very good numbers, in playoffs 4th quarter how can we even play trezz when AD play C . Trezz cant shoot, not vwry good at free throw line, if he is in the game AD parks at 3 pt line?
Clippers need a big and they spent full MLE on ibaka, all we needed was decent C who can rebound/block and save AD during regular season also some one like Morris.
We already got 20 ppg player DS. Trezz seems redundant to me... |
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PayasoLoco
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| 32 wrote: | | Rob Pelinka had a tough balancing act between competing for a championship this year and looking to the future with Anthony Davis. The team got younger but it also lost a lot of veteran experience. |
but you can now say AD, Caruso, KCP, even Kuz have finals experience. Add Wes whose been in league for awhile. While i agree rondo, dg, dwight presence will be missed |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Title vs Current squad |
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| DLaker wrote: | Top Performer by minutes
AD - still here
LBJ - still here
KCP - still here
DG - Wes (toss up maybe slightly better)
Rondo - Schroeder (younger rondo maybe not as smart)
AC - still here
Kuz - still here
Morris - hope he comes back
Dwight - Montrez (same energy but more production)
McGee - still here
How can anybody complain on how our off season went. We still not done making move and have not mentioned THT making some contribution this year. If Morris gets locked up, I feel real good about this current squad. Adding a def Big and stretch like Gasol would make me ecstatic. Pls no more complaint cause this new squad is better IMO and a lot younger with the same timeline as AD |
Big gains: New skills/Offensive diversity (Trez, Schroeder), regular season upgrade
Minor gains: New THT skillset/minutes, youth/future/trade-options
Remained even/benefit of the doubt: Wes for Green, lack of wing defense
Definite loss: Rondo's playoff-ness/godliness
TBD loss defense: Diversity (Howards big 5 defense, rim protection)
TBD loss offense: Stretch 5 (Morris)
The last 2 TBD's could potentially be addressed by a single signing .. so close. |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | governator wrote: |
What the article failed to mention is LeBron-AD-Schroeder-Montrezl is the best 1-4option in the league, one that has 2 MVP level, 1 DPOY and 2 6thMOY playing (and depth is good even before filling up the 4 min slots, Caruso, KCP, Wes, THT, Kuz, McGee, add 3-4 more names)... if the price to pay is difficulty at picking up waiver wire and trying to paint a bleak picture... LOL LOL |
Four of these biggest strength is same- play in the paint |
Just like the article, this poster also failed to mention that AD-LeBron and Schroeder can also stretch the floor all the way out to the 3 point line. We can argue about the 4th option Montrezl whether he has good enough mid range (he does) but going from primary big defender w clipper to defending bigs next to AD, role more suited and bet he has enough motor to cover switches/PnR, name a better front court on both side of floor than LeBron-Montrezl-AD, I’ll wait |
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laker50
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
The biggest mistake the Lakers made was loosing Howard to Philly for the vet min.
Howard was the Jokic stopper and if the Clippers had Howard they would have beaten the Nuggets. Howard could play with Jokic both inside and outside.
And did you not notice the big improvement in defense when Howard came in?
Gasol can stay with Jokic inside but Jokic will lure him outside. Having on player who can stay with Jokic both inside and outside was huge.
Gasol can bang with Jokic. Morris brings a lot.
McGee can slow Jokic down but not for the whole game. |
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| laker50 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
The biggest mistake the Lakers made was loosing Howard to Philly for the vet min.
Howard was the Jokic stopper and if the Clippers had Howard they would have beaten the Nuggets. Howard could play with Jokic both inside and outside.
And did you not notice the big improvement in defense when Howard came in?
Gasol can stay with Jokic inside but Jokic will lure him outside. Having on player who can stay with Jokic both inside and outside was huge.
Gasol can bang with Jokic. Morris brings a lot.
McGee can slow Jokic down but not for the whole game. |
He signed for the minimum, that means it was dwight’s decision |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Title vs Current squad |
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| DLaker wrote: | Top Performer by minutes
AD - still here
LBJ - still here
KCP - still here
DG - Wes (toss up maybe slightly better)
Rondo - Schroeder (younger rondo maybe not as smart)
AC - still here
Kuz - still here
Morris - hope he comes back
Dwight - Montrez (same energy but more production)
McGee - still here
How can anybody complain on how our off season went. We still not done making move and have not mentioned THT making some contribution this year. If Morris gets locked up, I feel real good about this current squad. Adding a def Big and stretch like Gasol would make me ecstatic. Pls no more complaint cause this new squad is better IMO and a lot younger with the same timeline as AD |
Great post. I think some are sleeping on 2 big factors. We have gotten MUCH better offensively and we got a lot younger. Both factors will be pay HUGE dividends because of the short season and ensuring that our stars do not have to work as hard. Its not a perfect off season (still having DH would have done that), but its damn near close. The players we grabbed will help us not only winning today, but tomorrow as well. |
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| governator wrote: | | laker50 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
The biggest mistake the Lakers made was loosing Howard to Philly for the vet min.
Howard was the Jokic stopper and if the Clippers had Howard they would have beaten the Nuggets. Howard could play with Jokic both inside and outside.
And did you not notice the big improvement in defense when Howard came in?
Gasol can stay with Jokic inside but Jokic will lure him outside. Having on player who can stay with Jokic both inside and outside was huge.
Gasol can bang with Jokic. Morris brings a lot.
McGee can slow Jokic down but not for the whole game. |
He signed for the minimum, that means it was dwight’s decision |
even for a vet minimum, FO made him wait . because we are going after Trezz. so DH was a back up. no wonder his feelings were hurt. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | We are in great shape and Rob has numerous avenues to finish the roster. Be patient. Rob has EARNED our trust. |
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| laker50 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
The biggest mistake the Lakers made was loosing Howard to Philly for the vet min.
Howard was the Jokic stopper and if the Clippers had Howard they would have beaten the Nuggets. Howard could play with Jokic both inside and outside.
And did you not notice the big improvement in defense when Howard came in?
Gasol can stay with Jokic inside but Jokic will lure him outside. Having on player who can stay with Jokic both inside and outside was huge.
Gasol can bang with Jokic. Morris brings a lot.
McGee can slow Jokic down but not for the whole game. |
First let me say that I'm bummed that we lost Howard and would absolutely have preferred that he stayed. And I even mostly agree with the points above, Howard is likely the absolute *best* in the league currently at defending Jokic.
However the entire argument above is about exactly ONE player in the entire league: Jokic, who is absolutely unique. For all other opponents someone like Gasol + Trez/AD should cover for Howard.
Now combine this with:
* Lakers will apply more offensive pressure this year with Trez/Schroeder
* Denver isn't the same team, they lost key pieces (Plumlee etc.)
So I think it's debatable if we've lost ground in the head-to-head matchup with Denver. |
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I don't think starting Javale is the end of the world. Just plug in Wes Matthews for Danny Green and you have almost the same starting 5 as last season. Just find a decent center to replace Dwight.
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Two things:
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Has anyone signed these guys:
Dedmon (Atlanta waived him),
Kaminsky
Boogie Cousins?
I think we should still be looking at Boogie at the vet min. We need a player that can defend physical post players inside, for 8-10 minutes when AD rests, and Trez is out there.
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Is it still possible to do a sign and trade for Bogdan? Using McGee, Kuzma, THT, etc? What is the most salary we could give him, if we traded those 3 contracts for him. |
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| laker50 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Morris and Gasol, call it an offseason |
The biggest mistake the Lakers made was loosing Howard to Philly for the vet min.
Howard was the Jokic stopper and if the Clippers had Howard they would have beaten the Nuggets. Howard could play with Jokic both inside and outside.
And did you not notice the big improvement in defense when Howard came in?
Gasol can stay with Jokic inside but Jokic will lure him outside. Having on player who can stay with Jokic both inside and outside was huge.
Gasol can bang with Jokic. Morris brings a lot.
McGee can slow Jokic down but not for the whole game. |
The Clippers didn't win because they choked. Remember that they were 3-1 and leaded for almost 20 points in the 6th |
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