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LastStand 2.0
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I don’t want the cp3 deal, won’t be mad or anything if we do it. I have relative trust in pelinka. Oladipo the same. They’d have to really do something strange for me to be upset. Like trade a ton of stuff for Russell Westbrook or something
Other than that it’d be really hard to piss me off. We won’t be giving up anyone huge as long as we can bring back Dwight and rondo I really don’t care lol |
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fansincemagic
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| Practice wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | Also, why would a championship team need to gamble and take a huge risk in Oladipo?
I'd only do that trade if:
- we were able to sign Gallo or someone else who can be a reliable scorer off the bench and as a starter as we inevitably load manage Lebron and AD a little more next season especially if the 72 game season starting on Dec 22 pushes through
- Bradley opts in
- we can't get a better deal for a Kuz+Green package after exhausting all possibilities
Even then, I'd seriously consider just standing pat if Oladipo's the only available trade. |
If Oladipo's value is as low as it's being implied trading for him would be a low risk high reward move. Even if he doesn't duplicate what he did a few years ago you're still getting good value. |
We really underestimate the value of having him as that 3rd piece to resign. Rather than renounce many players, they can keep KCP, Rondo, Bradley and possibly Morris to long term deals after next year. It would be a waste to free up say 25M for a player, just for that guy to be Dipo or similar talent anyway. |
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In Rob I Trust.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | I would like Green to shift to a bench role next season.
Bring back Bradley, if he opts in.
Dwight-Kuz-Cousins
AD-Morris-Kostas
KCP-Green-THT
Bradley-Caruso-Waiters
LeBron-Rondo-28th pick (or get a PG via trading the pick)
Close typically with AD, Bron, KCP, Green and either Rondo/Caruso.
This group can still get better.
Cousins was not at all involved in last year's run.
Kuzma still has ability to grow into a real 3rd option. If he figures out things the way KCP did, it's a big time impact 3rd guy.
THT has some talent to play minutes maybe for us.
Waiters has ability to drop 15 a night, but we need him to focus on defense to earn minutes with Vogel.
Caruso is only growing as a role player in his role.
If you look back to the 2009 and 2010 Laker teams, only 1 change in the rotation really from first run and repeat. Instead of Ariza, it was Artest. We may have to make a change like that with KCP in free agency, but aside from that, I do not think a major move is needed. The team has shown it can match up with anyone.
I would like to add some shooters to this team, but shooters that do not defend will get no PT on a Vogel team (Quinn Cook). You need players that can step up on the defensive end and lock down their man, or be willing to. That is the Frank Vogel staple that this team won a ring around.
Our O rating was 11th in the league in the RS last year. We did not play to our best potential on that end, and we still have room to grow on that end. The main main thing is we need the team to stay focused on defense. We need to get some of the guys who are either projects/low risk signings or developing to come in and play minutes. A guy like Cousins. A guy like Waiters. A guy like Kuzma, is still not really fully comfortable in his role. If your bench has 3 guys like that rolling, you have an explosive ability on offense. If we can get some development in the AD/Bron pick and roll. Some better team ability to post feed the ball when Dwight is open, or AD inside. All these things to me, will lead a far better impact than trading or replacing half the roster. |
This post makes the most sense.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
AD, KCP, Rondo, Morris, Howard are no brainers to bring back.
And Green moving to the bench might be a good idea at this stage of his career. Kuzma and the 28th pick will be valuable for the future.
The best way to upgrade is FA.
Danio Gallinari, Joe Harris, Jerami Grant are FAs.
They might take a small discount to play for a championship. |
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| Would the Clippers trade Paul George for Russell Westbrook? |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
Oladipo is more high-risk than CP3 is, to me. Take their contracts out of it: I know CP3 is a Hall Of Fame player who was great last season, and that Oladipo has essentially had one outlier-great season and has been mediocre-to-OK in every other season of his career. And despite CP3's injury history, I would argue that Oladipo's recent injury history (the one catastrophic leg injury) is more problematic. |
100%. |
having less then 82 games will help us with older guys...like bron and maybe CP3 |
Exactly what I think too. Easier to have controlled minutes as well with any 2 of those guys on the floor.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Would the Clippers trade Paul George for Russell Westbrook? |
We could only hope lulz |
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HAWAIIGUY27
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| 32 wrote: | | In Rob I Trust. |
↓ I second that.
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| LastStand 2.0 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Would the Clippers trade Paul George for Russell Westbrook? |
We could only hope lulz |
On a serious note, I could see WB doing good as a Clipper, but it won’t make a difference though, I’m sure he would love to come home. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| HAWAIIGUY27 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | In Rob I Trust. |
↓ I second that. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
Oladipo is more high-risk than CP3 is, to me. Take their contracts out of it: I know CP3 is a Hall Of Fame player who was great last season, and that Oladipo has essentially had one outlier-great season and has been mediocre-to-OK in every other season of his career. And despite CP3's injury history, I would argue that Oladipo's recent injury history (the one catastrophic leg injury) is more problematic. |
100%. |
having less then 82 games will help us with older guys...like bron and maybe CP3 |
Exactly what I think too. Easier to have controlled minutes as well with any 2 of those guys on the floor. |
Not if the majority of the games are played in January, February, March and April. They will basically begin the season the last weekend of December and would have to begin the playoffs in early May. If they add play in games like they are considering, that shrinks the regular season even more.
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| Anybody know the scouting report on Bryn Forbes? Been in the Spurs system for four years and shoots 40% from distance on volume. Possible minimum bench sniper? |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | Anybody know the scouting report on Bryn Forbes? Been in the Spurs system for four years and shoots 40% from distance on volume. Possible minimum bench sniper? |
Yes. Here’s my scouting report. Anyone who becomes a Laker automatically starts out shooting 25% from 3. Then we trade their ass or they stay and get bullied on the internet. When they eventually move on, they shoot around 42% again. Talentless NBA Blog Boys will tell us how stupid we are. The Lakers front office will take heat from the media.
That’s my scouting report.
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | Anybody know the scouting report on Bryn Forbes? Been in the Spurs system for four years and shoots 40% from distance on volume. Possible minimum bench sniper? |
Yes. Here’s my scouting report. Anyone who becomes a Laker automatically starts out shooting 25% from 3. Then we trade their ass or they stay and get bullied on the internet. When they eventually move on, they shoot around 42% again. Talentless NBA Blog Boys will tell us how stupid we are. The Lakers front office will take heat from the media.
That’s my scouting report. |
On a whim looked it up on Basketball Reference, how many of these guys on LA's all-time list would get PT with Vogel? Marshall? Cook? Cadet? Penberthy? Whew.
3-Pt Field Goal Pct
1. Steve Nash* .422
2. Vladimir Radmanović .400
3. Kendall Marshall .399
4. Mike Penberthy .396
5. Brian Cook .392
6. Jumaine Jones .391
7. Chucky Atkins .387
8. Steve Blake .383
9. Anthony Peeler .383
10. Jodie Meeks .381
Forbes is worth more than the vet min, another team will give half the MLE but LA won't if he's a candidate to be another 3pt shooter that should be sitting on one of Phil Jackson's seats. |
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logical24
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I saw somewhere online today a 3 way trade betweem LAL/WASH/SAC
LAL Beal
SAC Kuzma/Green
WAS Hields/28th/37(Sac) Cook/THT |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but take a look at Wash and tell me if they say yes to that. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | I saw somewhere online today a 3 way trade betweem LAL/WASH/SAC
LAL Beal
SAC Kuzma/Green
WAS Hields/28th/37(Sac) Cook/THT |
Washington would hang up the phone on that. |
Bradley - 30/6/4 on 35% 3PT shooting (8.4 per game). Thats MVP numbers. Hield, late picks, trash and THT? LOL. |
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| There's no realistic trade that helps the Lakers land Beal. |
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| Can we use Bird rights to sign Rondo and KCP while using the 9 million to sign a guy like Ibaka? I'd really appreciate a response to this... |
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I see 2 scenarios which could happen hopefully if we do get that 5m back from dengs salary cap.
Sign Jeremi Grant
Sign Galanari
Trade Green/Kuzma for Victor Oladipo
Avery/Rondo/Cook
Victor/KCP/Caruso
LeBron/Grant/THT
AD/Galanari/Morris
Dwight/Javale/DmC
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Sign Jeremi Grant
Trade Javale/Cook/Green/Kuzma
Avery/28th for Cp3
Resign KCP
Resign Morris
Resign DmC
Resign Rondo
CP3/Rondo
KCP/Caruso
Bron/Grant
AD/Morris
Dwight/DmC |
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HAWAIIGUY27
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Trade Green/Kuzma/future pick for LaVine
Trade McGee to the team of his choice for a 2nd round pick
MLE on one of: Ibaka, Grant, Gallo, Harkless
Draft Desmond Bane @ #28
Save one roster spot for a buyout wing (Thaddeus Young?)
Bradley/Caruso
LaVine/KCP/THT
James/Bane/Dudley
Davis/Morris/Cacok
Ibaka/Howard/Cousins
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| logical24 wrote: | I see 2 scenarios which could happen hopefully if we do get that 5m back from dengs salary cap.
Sign Jeremi Grant
Sign Galanari
Trade Green/Kuzma for Victor Oladipo
Avery/Rondo/Cook
Victor/KCP/Caruso
LeBron/Grant/THT
AD/Galanari/Morris
Dwight/Javale/DmC
or
Sign Jeremi Grant
Trade Javale/Cook/Green/Kuzma
Avery/28th for Cp3
Resign KCP
Resign Morris
Resign DmC
Resign Rondo
CP3/Rondo
KCP/Caruso
Bron/Grant
AD/Morris
Dwight/DmC |
Grant is looking at a Nuggets contract of 4 yr/ $15m per. Has a great role on a pretty good team in a city without the high cost of living and ever rising state taxes.
Why is he joining the Lakers?
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see it too but please explain his reasoning for doing it.
Is Gallo even a realistic option at the $10m MLE. If they even have it to use. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| logical24 wrote: | I see 2 scenarios which could happen hopefully if we do get that 5m back from dengs salary cap.
Sign Jeremi Grant
Sign Galanari
Trade Green/Kuzma for Victor Oladipo
Avery/Rondo/Cook
Victor/KCP/Caruso
LeBron/Grant/THT
AD/Galanari/Morris
Dwight/Javale/DmC
or
Sign Jeremi Grant
Trade Javale/Cook/Green/Kuzma
Avery/28th for Cp3
Resign KCP
Resign Morris
Resign DmC
Resign Rondo
CP3/Rondo
KCP/Caruso
Bron/Grant
AD/Morris
Dwight/DmC |
*Cp3, Rondo fistfight.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | I see 2 scenarios which could happen hopefully if we do get that 5m back from dengs salary cap.
Sign Jeremi Grant
Sign Galanari
Trade Green/Kuzma for Victor Oladipo
Avery/Rondo/Cook
Victor/KCP/Caruso
LeBron/Grant/THT
AD/Galanari/Morris
Dwight/Javale/DmC
or
Sign Jeremi Grant
Trade Javale/Cook/Green/Kuzma
Avery/28th for Cp3
Resign KCP
Resign Morris
Resign DmC
Resign Rondo
CP3/Rondo
KCP/Caruso
Bron/Grant
AD/Morris
Dwight/DmC |
Grant is looking at a Nuggets contract of 4 yr/ $15m per. Has a great role on a pretty good team in a city without the high cost of living and ever rising state taxes.
Why is he joining the Lakers?
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see it too but please explain his reasoning for doing it.
Is Gallo even a realistic option at the $10m MLE. If they even have it to use. |
NBA players earning millions worry about cost of living? Lol
Agree with nuggets part but the cost of living part is funny |
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