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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then.  |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: |
The same Lakers standards where they were bottom feeder for the past 5 years?
U don't want AD? It's fine but don't act like he is a superstar @25 years old and throw dirt on him
Also do u know how pathetic their GM has been? Guess not |
I want AD as a free agent
I don't want him for the core. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players.
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Sentient Meat
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
tell me which superstar won alone? quick
not the goat Lebron |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill?
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Sentient Meat
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill? |
Pau won 50 with Shane Battier and James Posey... |
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Pelicans have done a horrendous job of actually putting pieces around a talent like AD through the years, as is the case with most of these teams who have stars they somehow manage to fluff it up.
Right now only the Bucks look like a team who have put together a decent group of players around Giannis who fit him.
Not that I think much needs to be done to do that with AD since he can pretty much do anything on a basketball court, more versatile compared to Giannis. |
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Sentient Meat
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: |
tell me which superstar won alone? quick
not the goat Lebron |
LeBron, Kareem, Shaq... all these guys could win with nothing in their primes
AD is great but he hasn't shown their ability to win at their level.
This is why I'm nervous about trading the core.
I haven't said it won't work... I'm saying I don't feel confident it will. |
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yinoma2001
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill? |
Pau won 50 with Shane Battier and James Posey... |
Wanna leave out Mike Miller?
Interesting how you keep on leaving out major players.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill? |
Pau won 50 with Shane Battier and James Posey... |
Wanna leave out Mike Miller?
Interesting how you keep on leaving out major players. |
exactly. time to move on
Sigh. |
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Sentient Meat
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill? |
Pau won 50 with Shane Battier and James Posey... |
Wanna leave out Mike Miller?
Interesting how you keep on leaving out major players. |
I think of Miller as E'tawn Moore in this analogy... the sharp shooter |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | KD won 50 games with garbage players |
Like Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka?
I hope the Pels GM thinks exactly like you. Maybe we can get him for cheap then. |
Typo... I meant KG won with Sprewell and Szcerbiak |
Sam Cassell? Those are good players. |
Julius, Jrue Holiday, Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo were also good.
My point is either the injuries or his play aren't good enough to make a difference with his team
Does it really matter which it is?
Joe Pesci made some good points about poor fit... but great players win despite fit as LBJ has proven over and over. |
You mean when Boogie was out for the playoffs? Is that AD's fault?
Jules/Mirotic/AD is a sign of a poor roster construction by the FO. No wing depth and that kills them every night. Who is the best SF/wing that has played with AD? Solomon Hill? |
Pau won 50 with Shane Battier and James Posey... |
Wanna leave out Mike Miller?
Interesting how you keep on leaving out major players. |
exactly. time to move on
Sigh. |
Dude, the guy who provides almost zero data with everyone of his hot takes... I tried one more time to be civil with you but I'm really done.
I don't like the way Yinoma debates... but at least he's informative and occasionally witty.
You offer all the annoyance of him... with none of the benefit.
I won't reply to you anymore. |
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| Quote: | | I think of Miller as E'tawn Moore in this analogy... the sharp shooter |
Oh my. Ok. Have a good day. 
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| When AD goes to Boston, who will be the new pipe Dream? |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | I think of Miller as E'tawn Moore in this analogy... the sharp shooter |
Oh my. Ok. Have a good day. |
Miller played shooting guard as well as small forward... was he a lockdown defender? |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | I think of Miller as E'tawn Moore in this analogy... the sharp shooter |
Oh my. Ok. Have a good day. |
Miller played shooting guard as well as small forward... was he a lockdown defender? |
He was 6'8, their point forward. Marksmen shooter. Much better player than Moore.
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You offer all the annoyance of him... with none of the benefit.
I won't reply to you anymore. |
yet when i offered a thought reply you just proceeded to ignore the entire post. you know why? cause you got no answer.
i offer annoyance cause you have no straight face answers
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I dont think i am playing any games. You start of with 2 young core then you change to 3 then to 4 and then to 5 young guys involved in the trade.
if I say boss keep kuzma and trade others, you come back and say they are most definitely going to ask Kuzma. same goes for BI or Zo or even hart.
Once thats done and we have KD and AD, you then go into the 4 vs 4 play where you have on purpose guys like swaggy P and Jamal Crowford on the other team to make a point.
you still have to answer me why rondo cant sign for room exception?
you also havent answer me why we cant sign ring chasers for vet minimum? D West gave up 9mil to sign with a contender. Zaza gave up 6m to sign with a contender.
after all this i am suppose to provide you with depth chart? there are millions of variable that can go on. so I am not going to put guys like Swaggy/Crowford to make my point.
you are failing to understand that we still will have room exception and can sign ring chasers to vet min contract. |
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Davis ain’t James.
Davis can’t control tempo.
Bigmen, those who don’t act as “point forwards”, have a really hard time in this NBA without a dominant ball-handler to play with (or a very talented supported cast).
Gasol, Cousins, Davis, and Towns have all had difficult times asserting their dominance and transforming their talent into wins. It’s 5e nature of this wing dominated era.
Add to this the ineptness of the Pelicans’ front office and you have the situation that Davis is currently in.
And you can keep mentioning Holiday till you’re blue in the face. Up until last year, when Holiday was moved more off ball in favor of a traditional point in Rondo, he was an average lead guard at best.
In this Western Conference, in this three-happy era, Holiday and Miritic isn’t enough to win fifty games.
Davis isn’t a leader. That team needed a leader and let him go in favor of Randle, a guy who right now is all about his next contract.
The team was never built properly. Give Davis Cassell, Sprewell, and Sczcerbiak and they’re infinitely better than this present New Orleans team.
Front offices matter. Unless you have transcendent ball handlers and/or shooters, in this era, talent cannot usurp or supplant front office ineptness.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Davis ain’t James.
Davis can’t control tempo.
Bigmen, those who don’t act as “point forwards”, have a really hard time in this NBA without a dominant ball-handler to play with (or a very talented supported cast).
Gasol, Cousins, Davis, and Towns have all had difficult times asserting their dominance and transforming their talent into wins. It’s 5e nature of this wing dominated era.
Add to this the ineptness of the Pelicans’ front office and you have the situation that Davis is currently in.
And you can keep mentioning Holiday till you’re blue in the face. Up until last year, when Holiday was moved more off ball in favor of a traditional point in Rondo, he was an average lead guard at best.
In this Western Conference, in this three-happy era, Holiday and Miritic isn’t enough to win fifty games.
Davis isn’t a leader. That team needed a leader and let him go in favor of Randle, a guy who right now is all about his next contract.
The team was never built properly. Give Davis Cassell, Sprewell, and Sczcerbiak and they’re infinitely better than this present New Orleans team.
Front offices matter. Unless you have transcendent ball handlers and/or shooters, in this era, talent cannot usurp or supplant front office ineptness. |
I don't watch enough Pelicans games to see... but how does he average 9 assists a game if he's not a decent point guard right now? |
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What the Pels need to do is trade Jules or Mirotic to get a wing player. Every year, same story.
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I don't watch enough Pelicans games to see... but how does he average 9 assists a game if he's not a decent point guard right now? |
you do have a pretty strong opinion of a guy you dont watch enough |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Davis ain’t James.
Davis can’t control tempo.
Bigmen, those who don’t act as “point forwards”, have a really hard time in this NBA without a dominant ball-handler to play with (or a very talented supported cast).
Gasol, Cousins, Davis, and Towns have all had difficult times asserting their dominance and transforming their talent into wins. It’s 5e nature of this wing dominated era.
Add to this the ineptness of the Pelicans’ front office and you have the situation that Davis is currently in.
And you can keep mentioning Holiday till you’re blue in the face. Up until last year, when Holiday was moved more off ball in favor of a traditional point in Rondo, he was an average lead guard at best.
In this Western Conference, in this three-happy era, Holiday and Miritic isn’t enough to win fifty games.
Davis isn’t a leader. That team needed a leader and let him go in favor of Randle, a guy who right now is all about his next contract.
The team was never built properly. Give Davis Cassell, Sprewell, and Sczcerbiak and they’re infinitely better than this present New Orleans team.
Front offices matter. Unless you have transcendent ball handlers and/or shooters, in this era, talent cannot usurp or supplant front office ineptness. |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jg77 wrote: | Do we have even have enough assets to get AD?
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Other teams have more to offer, mainly future draft picks. |
Let's hear some names instead of blanket statements.
Which team had better package then Bi+ so+ Wagner once he requests a trade. |
Boston, Chicago, Warriors, Toronto just off the top of my head. Suns and Philly would have attractive picks to trade.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | I think of Miller as E'tawn Moore in this analogy... the sharp shooter |
Oh my. Ok. Have a good day. |
Miller played shooting guard as well as small forward... was he a lockdown defender? |
He was 6'8, their point forward. Marksmen shooter. Much better player than Moore. |
Moore has been as good as Miller shooting the last four years on fairly decent volume. I don't think it's as laughable as you did... though time will tell. |
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