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 Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: OFFICIAL 2018-2019 FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (Available 2019 FAs, LAL Cap Space & KD, KL & AD Scenarios, p.1) |
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Free Agents by Position (Per Basketball Insiders - LINK)
Point Guard: (1) Kyrie Irving, (2) Kemba Walker, (3) D'Angelo Russell, (5) Goran Dragic, (6) Eric Bledsoe, (6) Terry Rozier (R),(7) Ricky Rubio, (8) Jeff Teague, (9) Malcom Brogdon, (10) Elfrid Payton, (11) Derek Rose, (12) Spencer Dinwiddie, (13) Darren Collison, (14) Patrick Beverly, (15) T.J. McConnell, (16) Austin Rivers, (17) Isiah Thomas, (18) Ish Smith, (19) Trey Burke
Shooting Guard: (1) Klay Thompson, (2) Jimmy Butler, (3) J.J. Redick, (4) Caris LeVert (R), (5) Kent Bazemore, (6) Avery Bradley, (7) Tyreke Evans, (8) Tyler Johnson, (9) Mario Henzonja, (10) Terrance Ross, (11) Jeremy Lamb, (12) Reggie Bullock, (13) Nik Stauskas, (14) Wayne Ellington, (15) Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, (16) J.R. Smith
Small Forward: (1) Kevin Durant, (2) Kawhi Leonard, (3) Tobias Harris, (4) Khris Middleton, (5) Harrison Barnes (PO), (6) Trevor Ariza, (7) Kelly Oubre (R), (8) Justise Winslow (R), (9) Rudy Gay, (10) Stanley Johnson (R), (11) Bojan Bogdanovic, (12) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (TO), (13) Danny Green, (14) Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, (15) CJ Miles (PO)
Power Forward: (1) Karl Anthony Towns (R), (2) Kristaps Porzingis (R), (3) LaMarcus Aldridge, (4) Julius Randle, (5) Paul Millsap (TO), (6) Nikola Mirotic, (7) Taj Gibson, (8) Marcus Morris, (9) Thaddeus Young, (10) Larry Nance, Jr. (R), (11) Markieff Morris, (12) Marvin Wlliams (PO), (13) Trey Lyles (R), (14) Al-Farouq Aminu, (15) Wilson Chandler, (16) Bobby Portis (R), (17) Kenneth Faried, (18) Carmelo Anthony
Center: (1) Al Horford (PO), (2) DeMarcus Cousins, (3) Myles Turner (R), (4) Marc Gasol (PO), (5) DeAndre Jordan, (6) Nikola Vujevic, (7) Hassan Whiteside (PO), (8) Brook Lopez, (9) Dwight Howard, (10) Jonas Valanciunas (PO), (11) Ivica Zubac (R), (12) Enes Kanter, (13) Willy Cauley-Stein (R), (14) Dewayne Dedmon, (15) Robin Lopez, (16) JaVale McGee
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Lakers Depth Chart (Entering 2019 Free Agency)*
PG: Ball / Bonga
SG: Hart
SF: Ingram
PF: Lebron / Kuzma
C: Wagner
*As of now, the Lakers still have their 2019 1st round pick to use as well.
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Cap Space Math After Signing < 10 Year Free Agent Summer 2019
To sign a max free agent with under 10 years experience next summer (i.e. Klay, Butler, Kemba, Cousins, Kyrie or Kawhi), we'll need to rescind all of our rights/cap holds for our FAs. Here is the math -
$37,430,000......LeBron James (1)
$32,700,000......Kawhi Leonard (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (5)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (6)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (7)
$1,885,329........#25 2019 1st Round Pick (8)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (9)*
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)
$4,992,994........Luol Deng (1 year $14,977,482 Stretched over 3 Years)
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$103,174,894
$109,000,000 (Cap) - $103,174,894 (Salaries) =$5,825,106 cap space left**
*Contract guaranteed for only $897,158.
**After using up their available cap space, the Lakers will then still have the MLE room exception (valued at about $5 million next year) to use on another free agent.
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Cap Space Math After Signing > 10 Year Max Free Agent in Summer 2019
To sign a max free agent with over 10 years experience next summer (i.e. Durant), we'll need to rescind all of our rights/cap holds for our FAs AND trade/release our 2019 1st round pick. Here is the math -
$38,150,000......10+ Year Max Player (1)
$37,430,000......LeBron James (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (5)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (6)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (7)
$1,885,329........#25 2019 1st Round Pick (8)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (9)*
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)
$4,992,994........Luol Deng (1 year $14,977,482 Stretched over 3 Years)
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$108,624,894.00
$109,000,000 (Cap) - $108,624,894.00 (Salaries) = -$375,016.00 cap space left**
*Contract guaranteed for only $897,158.
**After using up their available cap space, the Lakers will then still have the MLE room exception (valued at about $5 million next year) to use on another free agent.
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Cap Space Math in Trading for Anthony Davis Mid-2019/2020 Season After Signing > 10 Year Max Free Agent in Summer 2019
As Anthony Davis only makes about $25 million this year, there are many scenarios where the Lakers could trade for him mid-season (if the Pelicans were willing). It would only take sending a little over $20 million back. However, if the Lakers trade for Davis before the summer and before signing another max free agent, in doing so, it would mean taking on salary that then could not be used on a second 10+ year tier max player.
For example, doing the numbers, a trade which involves Kuz + Ingram + expiring filler (i.e. Rondo, Stephenson, KCP, etc.) leaves the Lakers with only about $19 million in cap space next summer. As a second example, a deal that includes Ingram + Ball + expiring filler leaves the Lakers with about $25 million in cap space next summer. In this second scenario, that may be enough to sign a really good player, but not enough to give any player a max contract. (See the salary breakdown above re: signing a 10+ max player in summer 2019)
Accordingly, the only way to get both a 10+ year max player like Durant plus Anthony Davis is to (in order) (1) trade our 2019 1st round pick (to free up the space for a max slot), (2) sign Durant, (3) sign a room exception guy, and (4) trade for Davis in the mid-season 2019/2020 trade deadline using both Ingram/Ball + the MLE guy + one of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner, Svi or Bongo OR a vet min. guy.
Here is how our cap situation will likely look next season assuming we sign Durant and wait to trade for AD -
$38,150,000......10+ Year Max Player (1)
$37,430,000......LeBron James (2)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball (3)
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram (4)
$4,671,450........Room Exception (5)
$2,164,680........Moritz Wagner (6)
$2,000,000........8+ Year Vet Min. (7)
$2,000,000........8+ Year Vet Min. (8)
$2,000,000........8+ Year Vet Min. (9)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (10)
$1,934,160........Josh Hart (11)
$1,416,852........Isaac Bonga (12)
$4,992,994........Luol Deng (1 year $14,977,482 Stretched over 3 Years)
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$115,616,699,00
Given Davis' $27,093,019 salary, we would need to send out at least $22,000,000 in salary from the salaries above. Again, that means a baseline of at least Ball + Ingram (a total of ~$16 million). The remaining $6 million could be filled using our room exception guy ($4.67m) + one of Kuzma, Hart, Bonga, Svi or Wagner or a Vet Min. guy.
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Plan A - Trade Deng, Sign UFA Kawhi Leonard, retain Rondo and pick up a guy that can eat minutes as a Center?
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SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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Bold prediction: gonna start hearing Kevin Durant's name thrown about & rumored towards the beginning of free agency, if just for clicks & hot take bait.
MIGHT wanna include the salary for a 35% max player as well? $38,150,000 assuming a 109m cap. |
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| MIMLaker wrote: | SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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That’s absurd, I’d never do such thing 
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | MIMLaker wrote: | SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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That’s absurd, I’d never do such thing |
Me neither |
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Seven players worthy of Max contracts (if healthy): Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, KAT and Cousins. I wonder how many teams can afford a Max contract next year.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | MIMLaker wrote: | SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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That’s absurd, I’d never do such thing |
Me neither |
Who would do that
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| SpunkieLakerCat wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | MIMLaker wrote: | SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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That’s absurd, I’d never do such thing |
Me neither |
Who would do that
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I know i wouldn’t.
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | Seven players worthy of Max contracts (if healthy): Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, KAT and Cousins. I wonder how many teams can afford a Max contract next year. |
LOL, like half the league, my friend
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/
Sort by "practical cap space". It doesn't include the possibility that teams can dump a bad 2016 contract to open up even more space.
But I'd say keep an eye out for the Knicks, Nets, Mavs, Clips and Sixers. The other teams with cap space are either terrible and/or too small of a market to attract the big fish (yes, the NY teams are awful but it's NY). |
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KD and Leonard would be the absolute jackpot.....
However, if we get either of them or both, INgram and Kuzma's days will be numbered if they aren't already....
Still think we need a combo guard, which DLO would of been perfect for. |
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Is there a scenario in which the Lakers divvy the ~$44mil in cap space(after trading Deng+2019 first for cap space) into two players....say...
1) Khris Middleton for deal starting at $20 million
2) Demarcus Cousins(after proving healthy) for deal starting at $24 million
3) Rajon Rondo room exception
PG - Ball / Rondo
SG - Middleton / Hart
SF - Ingram / Svi
PF - LeBron / Kuzma
C - Cousins / Wagner
10-deep, and crazy versatility. This allows Brandon Ingram to become the clear-cut #2 to LeBron. |
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| RobinInHood wrote: | | SpunkieLakerCat wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | MIMLaker wrote: | SHAMELESSLY posting just to get in on the ground floor...
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That’s absurd, I’d never do such thing |
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| cyborgspider wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | Seven players worthy of Max contracts (if healthy): Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, KAT and Cousins. I wonder how many teams can afford a Max contract next year. |
LOL, like half the league, my friend
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/
Sort by "practical cap space". It doesn't include the possibility that teams can dump a bad 2016 contract to open up even more space.
But I'd say keep an eye out for the Knicks, Nets, Mavs, Clips and Sixers. The other teams with cap space are either terrible and/or too small of a market to attract the big fish (yes, the NY teams are awful but it's NY). |
yeah, I think once you factor in the possibility of stretching contracts, I have seen estimates of 15-20 teams.
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| My hope we get one of KL, Klay, KD and the warriors lose Klay, KD and they don’t have Boogie’s bird rights |
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KD and Kawhi are the obvious choices.
Boogie is the sleeper.
Why am I not as high on Klay as others are?
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I think the chances are greater that we hire David Blatt as the Head Coach next season than they are we sign Klay Thompson.
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| cyborgspider wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | Seven players worthy of Max contracts (if healthy): Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, KAT and Cousins. I wonder how many teams can afford a Max contract next year. |
LOL, like half the league, my friend
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/
Sort by "practical cap space". It doesn't include the possibility that teams can dump a bad 2016 contract to open up even more space.
But I'd say keep an eye out for the Knicks, Nets, Mavs, Clips and Sixers. The other teams with cap space are either terrible and/or too small of a market to attract the big fish (yes, the NY teams are awful but it's NY). |
I tihnk our only real competition is the Sixers (maybe the knicks if Porky returns to form after injury). This free agency period has shown how difficult it is to lure a top free agent without there already being elite talent on a team. Just having 2 max slots is not going to cut it.
We're extremely lucky to have lebron. Out of the list only the sixers have a team which is already extremely talented prior to a max signing. Even then, I still give us the edge due to location. LA> Philly as a place to live by a mile. |
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| Hope we have our second star by the deadline and can skip free agency. |
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| Vanquish wrote: | | cyborgspider wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | Seven players worthy of Max contracts (if healthy): Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, KAT and Cousins. I wonder how many teams can afford a Max contract next year. |
LOL, like half the league, my friend
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/
Sort by "practical cap space". It doesn't include the possibility that teams can dump a bad 2016 contract to open up even more space.
But I'd say keep an eye out for the Knicks, Nets, Mavs, Clips and Sixers. The other teams with cap space are either terrible and/or too small of a market to attract the big fish (yes, the NY teams are awful but it's NY). |
I tihnk our only real competition is the Sixers (maybe the knicks if Porky returns to form after injury). This free agency period has shown how difficult it is to lure a top free agent without there already being elite talent on a team. Just having 2 max slots is not going to cut it.
We're extremely lucky to have lebron. Out of the list only the sixers have a team which is already extremely talented prior to a max signing. Even then, I still give us the edge due to location. LA> Philly as a place to live by a mile. |
The Knicks clogged up some cap space last summer with the Hardaway signing. It won't be easy to turn things around and their FO could be in over their heads trying to fix it. |
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I predict that our stars are already on the roster with Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram. I think Lonzo shows a consistent jumper this season and Kuzma and Ingram improve on last season as scorers. I believe that lebron being here and thier natural development will unlock thier star potential.
Next summer will be about bringing in star role players imo
Are there any small ball 5’s on the market? Maybe bring randle back
I really think this team is ready now after watching Boston in the playoffs. Lonzo, hart, Ingram and Kuzma will show the nba why laker fans think they are equal are better to any other young core in the nba. |
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wasnt there already a 2019 thread
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| Chronicle wrote: | | wasnt there already a 2019 thread |
Found it, but it is locked....
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Thanks LS for the opening hand!
Here are my assumptions at the end of 18-19
1. Two out of BI/Kuz/Zo trend to all star levels
2. The third is a solid rotation player
3. Hart plays well enough to warrant 10-15 minutes/game in the rotation
4 One of Mo/Svi is trending to where Hart is now!
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5. Ain't trading ANY of the above to dump Deng!
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If we do get Kawhi, then imho, we've got to get some vet-min (1.5-2.5M) ring chasers. I'd expect a bruiser/rebounder for sure.
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If we reach at least the WCF this 18-19 season, we're all set with the above composition to compete for O'Brien in 19-20.
This is my (second to) best case scenario. My best case, of course is that we win it all this year, in which case we'd definitely bring back KCP! On the flip side I don't particularly think we'll do worse than that! I'm an optimist!
Bring it on, skeptics!
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