He reminded me of LO since day one. I also noticed that he really utilized his length to bother shots last night. He is an aggressive defender! He was being utilized at point guard last night and he really got to show his skills. He handles the ball pretty damn well for being 6-9. Kid has a promising future, just on his defensive potential alone...
Young Shaun or old? Pre knee injury Livingston was a very special player.
Def Warriors Livingston
No.Warriors Livingston has bulked up and plays more as a SF than G. Rarely shoots from 3 and is more of a 15 ft and in player offensively. He is unable to guard either PG or SG.
Newsflash, Bonga’s jumper is super broken, despite FT %. And he will have great versatility positionally on D. They may be different in whatever way, but idk if you’ll find a closer comparison.
His jumper is not broken. I had this same convo with Mike and I showed him the videos from this summer. His form has been modified. He just needs to get game action to be consistent with it. Similar to BI's situation.
Btw from Mini Mambs comment he is projecting for the future. He is still 18. You don't feel he will improve as a shooter?
idk if he will improve but to assume he improved his jumper to a solid degree, in one summer here is awfully optimistic. Guys work on their shots all summer, have the forms looking better, get in a game, and still can't be average shooters. for any bad shooter, this is the case. I don't buy a guy has fixed his jumper unless it looks pristine form wise in practice, and he hits 10 in a row in a workout vid...I'd love to see Bonga's jumper looking better in a practice video if you can link it. Cuz it still looks ugly in games. It looked high school-ish from his overseas videos -- to assume it's solid now after a few months is unrealistic.His jumper is broke and has a ways to go.
Can it get there - yea. But I'd also like if the Lakers could hire a shooting coach. I don't think their shooting development has had more good cases than bad........
No I don't expect his jumper to be fixed in 1 summer same as BI has not become totally consistent with his in 2 summers and 1 season (btw BI is still inconsistent in his set position before his arms extend forward). However he has made changes but it will take time to develop.
The Gleauge will be great for his development. He should see extensive game action with little pressure to perform.
Here is a video from last month. Totally different than his Jr days in Germany.
Here is one from summer playing horse with I believe one of his trainers.
G league will really help to build his confidence. Will be interesting to see he can become a potential backup for Zo, but I suspect he has a long ways to go before he can be contributor
Young Shaun or old? Pre knee injury Livingston was a very special player.
Def Warriors Livingston
No.Warriors Livingston has bulked up and plays more as a SF than G. Rarely shoots from 3 and is more of a 15 ft and in player offensively. He is unable to guard either PG or SG.
Newsflash, Bonga’s jumper is super broken, despite FT %. And he will have great versatility positionally on D. They may be different in whatever way, but idk if you’ll find a closer comparison.
His jumper is not broken. I had this same convo with Mike and I showed him the videos from this summer. His form has been modified. He just needs to get game action to be consistent with it. Similar to BI's situation.
Btw from Mini Mambs comment he is projecting for the future. He is still 18. You don't feel he will improve as a shooter?
idk if he will improve but to assume he improved his jumper to a solid degree, in one summer here is awfully optimistic. Guys work on their shots all summer, have the forms looking better, get in a game, and still can't be average shooters. for any bad shooter, this is the case. I don't buy a guy has fixed his jumper unless it looks pristine form wise in practice, and he hits 10 in a row in a workout vid...I'd love to see Bonga's jumper looking better in a practice video if you can link it. Cuz it still looks ugly in games. It looked high school-ish from his overseas videos -- to assume it's solid now after a few months is unrealistic.His jumper is broke and has a ways to go.
Can it get there - yea. But I'd also like if the Lakers could hire a shooting coach. I don't think their shooting development has had more good cases than bad........
No I don't expect his jumper to be fixed in 1 summer same as BI has not become totally consistent with his in 2 summers and 1 season (btw BI is still inconsistent in his set position before his arms extend forward). However he has made changes but it will take time to develop.
The Gleauge will be great for his development. He should see extensive game action with little pressure to perform.
Here is a video from last month. Totally different than his Jr days in Germany.
Here is one from summer playing horse with I believe one of his trainers.
you can't really confidently say that's not broken.. missing every other midrange attempt..the 3pters are cut off after 1 in a row.
G league will really help to build his confidence. Will be interesting to see he can become a potential backup for Zo, but I suspect he has a long ways to go before he can be contributor
This. High on Bonga but it will realistically take about 2 years for him to fully develop. But the talent is there.
My thoughts exactly. Just has a smoothness to his game.
Guess im not the only 1 who saw a bit of LOs game in Bonga.
The size, ball handling.
I had a LO flashback when Bonga drive left and finished off the glass last night. (Thought not as smooth). Lol
He might turn out to be a steal in a couple years.
Oh no.. here we go. The overreaction is expected and equally ridiculous.
Worst* case + Boris Diaw?
Diaw was a key piece of a championship team and other contenders. It would be great even he could be that good.
I would be so pleased if he could hit that level.
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Young Shaun or old? Pre knee injury Livingston was a very special player.
Def Warriors Livingston
No.Warriors Livingston has bulked up and plays more as a SF than G. Rarely shoots from 3 and is more of a 15 ft and in player offensively. He is unable to guard either PG or SG.
Newsflash, Bonga’s jumper is super broken, despite FT %. And he will have great versatility positionally on D. They may be different in whatever way, but idk if you’ll find a closer comparison.
His jumper is not broken. I had this same convo with Mike and I showed him the videos from this summer. His form has been modified. He just needs to get game action to be consistent with it. Similar to BI's situation.
Btw from Mini Mambs comment he is projecting for the future. He is still 18. You don't feel he will improve as a shooter?
idk if he will improve but to assume he improved his jumper to a solid degree, in one summer here is awfully optimistic. Guys work on their shots all summer, have the forms looking better, get in a game, and still can't be average shooters. for any bad shooter, this is the case. I don't buy a guy has fixed his jumper unless it looks pristine form wise in practice, and he hits 10 in a row in a workout vid...I'd love to see Bonga's jumper looking better in a practice video if you can link it. Cuz it still looks ugly in games. It looked high school-ish from his overseas videos -- to assume it's solid now after a few months is unrealistic.His jumper is broke and has a ways to go.
Can it get there - yea. But I'd also like if the Lakers could hire a shooting coach. I don't think their shooting development has had more good cases than bad........
No I don't expect his jumper to be fixed in 1 summer same as BI has not become totally consistent with his in 2 summers and 1 season (btw BI is still inconsistent in his set position before his arms extend forward). However he has made changes but it will take time to develop.
The Gleauge will be great for his development. He should see extensive game action with little pressure to perform.
Here is a video from last month. Totally different than his Jr days in Germany.
Here is one from summer playing horse with I believe one of his trainers.
you can't really confidently say that's not broken.. missing every other midrange attempt..the 3pters are cut off after 1 in a row.
The emphasis I was trying to get across is he changed his form. Not sure what your expectations are in just 2-3 months.
Just because they are not going in does not mean it is broken. My definition of a broken shot is MKG of the Hornets.
Young Shaun or old? Pre knee injury Livingston was a very special player.
Def Warriors Livingston
No.Warriors Livingston has bulked up and plays more as a SF than G. Rarely shoots from 3 and is more of a 15 ft and in player offensively. He is unable to guard either PG or SG.
Newsflash, Bonga’s jumper is super broken, despite FT %. And he will have great versatility positionally on D. They may be different in whatever way, but idk if you’ll find a closer comparison.
His jumper is not broken. I had this same convo with Mike and I showed him the videos from this summer. His form has been modified. He just needs to get game action to be consistent with it. Similar to BI's situation.
Btw from Mini Mambs comment he is projecting for the future. He is still 18. You don't feel he will improve as a shooter?
idk if he will improve but to assume he improved his jumper to a solid degree, in one summer here is awfully optimistic. Guys work on their shots all summer, have the forms looking better, get in a game, and still can't be average shooters. for any bad shooter, this is the case. I don't buy a guy has fixed his jumper unless it looks pristine form wise in practice, and he hits 10 in a row in a workout vid...I'd love to see Bonga's jumper looking better in a practice video if you can link it. Cuz it still looks ugly in games. It looked high school-ish from his overseas videos -- to assume it's solid now after a few months is unrealistic.His jumper is broke and has a ways to go.
Can it get there - yea. But I'd also like if the Lakers could hire a shooting coach. I don't think their shooting development has had more good cases than bad........
No I don't expect his jumper to be fixed in 1 summer same as BI has not become totally consistent with his in 2 summers and 1 season (btw BI is still inconsistent in his set position before his arms extend forward). However he has made changes but it will take time to develop.
The Gleauge will be great for his development. He should see extensive game action with little pressure to perform.
Here is a video from last month. Totally different than his Jr days in Germany.
Here is one from summer playing horse with I believe one of his trainers.
you can't really confidently say that's not broken.. missing every other midrange attempt..the 3pters are cut off after 1 in a row.
The emphasis I was trying to get across is he changed his form. Not sure what your expectations are in just 2-3 months.
Just because they are not going in does not mean it is broken. My definition of a broken shot is MKG of the Hornets.
My definition of broken is - would shoot around 30% and isn’t even very successful in an empty gym
I’m not ready to call him a steal yet but I’m starting to see what Jesse and Rob saw in him. I still think he’s a couple of years away from being a serviceable rotational player but at least it’s clearer now that this kid’s got some talent _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
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