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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject:

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Woj basically trying to say that Kawhi will be headed to Clippers.

https://twitter.com/contentnba/status/1141503111812583424?s=21


Who is feeding WOJ this info?


Steve Balmer. There is a rumor Balmer is paying to portray Lakers negatively. Not surprise if it’s true, so many negative articles on Lakers and positive articles on the Clips
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Is KL a Lakers fan though? I know the sister is for sure due to the pics

Check this out.... https://reddit.app.link/YR6SjfXXEX


Kawhi on if he was a Lakers fan growing up:

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"No, I wasn't at all...My family was, but I wasn't. I liked Allen Iverson. I was an AI fan so I didn't like the Lakers."


Kawhi smart

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject:

Iron Mamba wrote:
Woj basically trying to say that Kawhi will be headed to Clippers.

https://twitter.com/contentnba/status/1141503111812583424?s=21


Not as bad as KL joining the Celtics, but it would really suck if he became a Clipper. The acquisition of AD does cushion the blow imo.
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It also explains why we didn't hire Ty Lue.




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

The Clippers are literally a garbage franchise, with or without Kawhi.

They had CP3 and Griffin for how long? And did they ever make it to the WCF?
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The Clippers are literally a garbage franchise, with or without Kawhi.

They had CP3 and Griffin for how long? And did they ever make it to the WCF?


Ya only way for perception on them around LA to change is to move to Seattle and rename themselves to the Super Sonics.

No matter what happens, even winning 1 title here in LA, they’ll always play second fiddle to the Lakers while sharing the same town.

If Kawhi wants to disappear into that, more power to him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:10 pm    Post subject:

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What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?

He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.

Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.

He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal.



Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.

My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can.


arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):

1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)

2. That gets them to around $27.5M

3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.

4. Now we are above $30M.

So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.

*boom* done.

And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.

**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.

Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject:

Sssmush wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?

He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.

Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.

He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal.



Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.

My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can.


arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):

1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)

2. That gets them to around $27.5M

3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.

4. Now we are above $30M.

So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.

*boom* done.

And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.

**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.

Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire.


Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject:

Same city but different teams

Even as great as he is if he was a Clipper his endorsements could not come close to what they would be if he were a Los Angeles Laker

Agree or Disagree


One question I have is Wouldn't you trip on a signing onto a skeleton team. A lot of trust in the unknown
He would be player number 5? And after that the GM has how much money left to build the rest of the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:16 pm    Post subject:

methdxman wrote:
Sssmush wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?

He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.

Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.

He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal.



Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.

My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can.


arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):

1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)

2. That gets them to around $27.5M

3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.

4. Now we are above $30M.

So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.

*boom* done.

And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.

**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.

Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire.


Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that.


Actually, players do it regularly. Kyrie waived his trade kicker when he was traded to the Celtics, Allen Crabbe did it when he was traded to the Nets, Gasol did it when he was traded to the Raptors this year, Carmelo waived his monster 8 million+ trade kicker when the Knicks traded him to OKC. So no, it really isn't that rare.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject:

What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:05 pm    Post subject:

[quote="Bol"][quote="methdxman"]
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Dr. Laker wrote:



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Would you give up 4 million per year?


Actually, players do it regularly. Kyrie waived his trade kicker when he was traded to the Celtics, Allen Crabbe did it when he was traded to the Nets, Gasol did it when he was traded to the Raptors this year, Carmelo waived his monster 8 million+ trade kicker when the Knicks traded him to OKC. So no, it really isn't that rare.


Agreed. Plus the kicker is not annual, IIRC. It is a one shot deal.
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methdxman wrote:
Sssmush wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?

He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.

Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.

He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal.



Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.

My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can.


arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):

1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)

2. That gets them to around $27.5M

3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.

4. Now we are above $30M.

So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.

*boom* done.

And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.

**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.

Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire.


Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that.


why would you compare Anthony Davis a man who will make 100 of millions of Dollars as his career unfolds with any regular earning individual.....if you can make your team better and in the end you earn 230 instead of 250 million $ of course you do it
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject:

It's 4 million.. Not 4 million yearly which someone already pointed out but thats a huge misconception. He could also be looking at it to affect him much more then even the next year or two as well.. If he becomes a multiple ring champion superstar on the Lakers the endorsements only get better. The big one though imo is you get a guy around your age who is possibly the best player in the entire NBA who you get to continue playing with even after Lebron is gone. He will also make his life MUCH easier and pretty much guarantee at least deep playoff runs if they're healthy which he knows is not a given considering he has to play out of his mind for his team to even have a chance to get out of the first round in the past.

who knows if he does it but it's been done in much worse scenarios then davis is presented with here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject:

Fallout wrote:
Chad09 wrote:
Iron Mamba wrote:
Woj basically trying to say that Kawhi will be headed to Clippers.

https://twitter.com/contentnba/status/1141503111812583424?s=21


Who is feeding WOJ this info?


Steve Balmer. There is a rumor Balmer is paying to portray Lakers negatively. Not surprise if it’s true, so many negative articles on Lakers and positive articles on the Clips


Im starting to believe those rumors of Balmer sabotaging the Lakers through media outlets. Every Laker news gets bent, twisted and ran to the ground. His plan is to defamate the Laker to increase his chances of getting players there.

God knows how much he’s paid ESPN n their puppets to bash us. They all sound generic and biased with their info, even Ramona.. but we have AEG and they dont. I like our focus. We shall silence all with success.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:00 pm    Post subject:

yes. And why do people act like these are things that might happen in the future. I mean Pelinka was a big time world class agent. You don't think he has a few math people around who understand the cap and gamed this out six ways to Sunday since February?

I mean jeezus, yeah Rich Paul, Rob Pelinka and their team of quants really need Momo, Wojnarowski and a bunch of sports radio callers and forum posters to explain to them that 23 + 4 = 27.

I mean I cant believe some of what I'm hearing on the radio lately. Pincus and 14 other "capologists" I mean wtf am I taking crazy pills here? I mean I guess there is an interest to slow down the narrative so it savors on through July, but cmon.

bottom line is they agreed with AD already to waive the trade kicker clause. Or didnt. Either way it's a done deal. Same thing with delaying the trade till July 30th or not. They already bought Wagner and Bonga plane tickets. Whatever the deal it's done.

"scrambling" gimme a break. Whatever the deal is it's been gamed out a thousand times and it is DONE, it is not something being figured out in the future.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:13 pm    Post subject:

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yes. And why do people act like these are things that might happen in the future. I mean Pelinka was a big time world class agent. You don't think he has a few math people around who understand the cap and gamed this out six ways to Sunday since February?

I mean jeezus, yeah Rich Paul, Rob Pelinka and their team of quants really need Momo, Wojnarowski and a bunch of sports radio callers and forum posters to explain to them that 23 + 4 = 27.

I mean I cant believe some of what I'm hearing on the radio lately. Pincus and 14 other "capologists" I mean wtf am I taking crazy pills here? I mean I guess there is an interest to slow down the narrative so it savors on through July, but cmon.

bottom line is they agreed with AD already to waive the trade kicker clause. Or didnt. Either way it's a done deal. Same thing with delaying the trade till July 30th or not. They already bought Wagner and Bonga plane tickets. Whatever the deal it's done.

"scrambling" gimme a break. Whatever the deal is it's been gamed out a thousand times and it is DONE, it is not something being figured out in the future.


It's not about being reasonable though.. The majority of people will believe nearly anything that is said especially if they want it to be true and it's said by multiple people. Every sports news outlet is absolutely loving this and will continue to do so until it's over.. Even Lakers fans who are being told by people over and over how it's bs are continuing to come back and go ape sht over every new story they hear about it. I agree with you though, it still baffles me how so many people can be so gullible over and over.
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trablos wrote:
Chad09 wrote:
Iron Mamba wrote:
Woj basically trying to say that Kawhi will be headed to Clippers.

https://twitter.com/contentnba/status/1141503111812583424?s=21


Who is feeding WOJ this info?

Probably some big sweaty guy who makes Cuban seem like a tame owner.


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The fact of the matter is that there was absolutely no way in hell Kawhi Leonard or his team envisioned him winding up in Toronto. That was a huge FU from Pop and the Spurs organization cutting off their nose to spite their face and not give Kawhi what he wanted. They absolutely took a lesser deal from Toronto to move him to the East.

They won a championship because all stars aligned. Lebron leaving the East created a huge power vacuum. Boston who was supposed to step up imploded. The Bucks came out of nowhere but ultimately was not ready especially Giannis to take the next level.

And in the West, they faced a Warriors team decimated by injuries and worn out by 5 trips to the Finals. Even then many of the games were very close.

It's just very very hard to see Kawhi deciding to stay ANOTHER year in Toronto of all places when literally the opportunity of a lifetime is now open to join the Lakers.

You miss this chance it's permanently over. There won't be capspace next year.

If he TRULY wants to go back to LA and expand his brand, continue to win, play basketball at the highest levels with two of the best players in the game, and come home . . .

I mean, I don't know. After Paul George I guess anything is possible but I just can't even fathom why he wouldn't take this chance.

If he wants a 1+1 and then sign the super max as a ten year player he can do that with the Lakers. I don't think it's ever been about the money with Kawhi anyway and if he gives up a little now to cash in huge while load managing on a team with 2 other superstars . . . again how is this not obvious??


Yup. PG13 is the living embodiment of ooops...

I would pay good money to see PG's reaction to us getting AD, and his subsequent thoughts when he remembers that he's still running alongside WB and Steven Adams instead of Lebron and Anthony Davis.


Paul George still sticks in some peoples' craws, but you really don't want any part of a cat who gives off the impression that Indiana is too small town for him and then he winds up signing his second term in Oklahoma City (probably the closest thing there is in the NBA to Indianapolis). He's a lightweight. We've had enough problems with players who THOUGHT they were ready for LA, but found out they weren't (see Dwight). A guy like Paul George did us a favor by not coming here if he wasn't 110% behind it. It's just that you never know what you'll never know, so it makes it difficult to forget.
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The fact of the matter is that there was absolutely no way in hell Kawhi Leonard or his team envisioned him winding up in Toronto. That was a huge FU from Pop and the Spurs organization cutting off their nose to spite their face and not give Kawhi what he wanted. They absolutely took a lesser deal from Toronto to move him to the East.

They won a championship because all stars aligned. Lebron leaving the East created a huge power vacuum. Boston who was supposed to step up imploded. The Bucks came out of nowhere but ultimately was not ready especially Giannis to take the next level.

And in the West, they faced a Warriors team decimated by injuries and worn out by 5 trips to the Finals. Even then many of the games were very close.

It's just very very hard to see Kawhi deciding to stay ANOTHER year in Toronto of all places when literally the opportunity of a lifetime is now open to join the Lakers.

You miss this chance it's permanently over. There won't be capspace next year.

If he TRULY wants to go back to LA and expand his brand, continue to win, play basketball at the highest levels with two of the best players in the game, and come home . . .

I mean, I don't know. After Paul George I guess anything is possible but I just can't even fathom why he wouldn't take this chance.

If he wants a 1+1 and then sign the super max as a ten year player he can do that with the Lakers. I don't think it's ever been about the money with Kawhi anyway and if he gives up a little now to cash in huge while load managing on a team with 2 other superstars . . . again how is this not obvious??


Yup. PG13 is the living embodiment of ooops...

I would pay good money to see PG's reaction to us getting AD, and his subsequent thoughts when he remembers that he's still running alongside WB and Steven Adams instead of Lebron and Anthony Davis.


Paul George still sticks in some peoples' craws, but you really don't want any part of a cat who gives off the impression that Indiana is too small town for him and then he winds up signing his second term in Oklahoma City (probably the closest thing there is in the NBA to Indianapolis). He's a lightweight. We've had enough problems with players who THOUGHT they were ready for LA, but found out they weren't (see Dwight). A guy like Paul George did us a favor by not coming here if he wasn't 110% behind it. It's just that you never know what you'll never know, so it makes it difficult to forget.

Also glad that Carmelo or LMA went elsewhere too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:58 am    Post subject:

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yes. And why do people act like these are things that might happen in the future. I mean Pelinka was a big time world class agent. You don't think he has a few math people around who understand the cap and gamed this out six ways to Sunday since February?

I mean jeezus, yeah Rich Paul, Rob Pelinka and their team of quants really need Momo, Wojnarowski and a bunch of sports radio callers and forum posters to explain to them that 23 + 4 = 27.

I mean I cant believe some of what I'm hearing on the radio lately. Pincus and 14 other "capologists" I mean wtf am I taking crazy pills here? I mean I guess there is an interest to slow down the narrative so it savors on through July, but cmon.

bottom line is they agreed with AD already to waive the trade kicker clause. Or didnt. Either way it's a done deal. Same thing with delaying the trade till July 30th or not. They already bought Wagner and Bonga plane tickets. Whatever the deal it's done.

"scrambling" gimme a break. Whatever the deal is it's been gamed out a thousand times and it is DONE, it is not something being figured out in the future.


It's not about being reasonable though.. The majority of people will believe nearly anything that is said especially if they want it to be true and it's said by multiple people. Every sports news outlet is absolutely loving this and will continue to do so until it's over.. Even Lakers fans who are being told by people over and over how it's bs are continuing to come back and go ape sht over every new story they hear about it. I agree with you though, it still baffles me how so many people can be so gullible over and over.


I mean I wouldn't say that people are gullible necessarily. I'm just talking about the really circuitous and incomplete way it's being explained on espn radio etc over and over.

Most fans and listeners I think take a minute or two and see that ok yeah they will have $27m and then get $3m more dumping Wagner and Bonga. But there is all this hand wringing on the radio like "there's just no way to get there" and the Lakers have to have New Orleans delay the deal. But drill down on what they are saying and it is they dont think AD would ever waive the trade kicker, and they point to uncertainty of "will he or wont he" waive the trade kicker.

now I dont have any proof here however it seems quite clear that the trade kicker issue wouldve been addressed with Rich Paul very early on in the process, and it seems reasonable that he would've waived it, as they gain a lot on several fronts by doing so (in terms of competiveness and thus playoff exposure, PR and endorsements, load management, fun teammates, longterm dollars, etc)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:05 am    Post subject:

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Woj basically trying to say that Kawhi will be headed to Clippers.

https://twitter.com/contentnba/status/1141503111812583424?s=21


Who is feeding WOJ this info?


Steve Balmer. There is a rumor Balmer is paying to portray Lakers negatively. Not surprise if it’s true, so many negative articles on Lakers and positive articles on the Clips


If Steve Ballmer is paying off the media to make the Lakers look bad, then he's a dick.

And an idiot too. Because the media tries to make the Lakers look bad for free.
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The fact of the matter is that there was absolutely no way in hell Kawhi Leonard or his team envisioned him winding up in Toronto. That was a huge FU from Pop and the Spurs organization cutting off their nose to spite their face and not give Kawhi what he wanted. They absolutely took a lesser deal from Toronto to move him to the East.

They won a championship because all stars aligned. Lebron leaving the East created a huge power vacuum. Boston who was supposed to step up imploded. The Bucks came out of nowhere but ultimately was not ready especially Giannis to take the next level.

And in the West, they faced a Warriors team decimated by injuries and worn out by 5 trips to the Finals. Even then many of the games were very close.

It's just very very hard to see Kawhi deciding to stay ANOTHER year in Toronto of all places when literally the opportunity of a lifetime is now open to join the Lakers.

You miss this chance it's permanently over. There won't be capspace next year.

If he TRULY wants to go back to LA and expand his brand, continue to win, play basketball at the highest levels with two of the best players in the game, and come home . . .

I mean, I don't know. After Paul George I guess anything is possible but I just can't even fathom why he wouldn't take this chance.

If he wants a 1+1 and then sign the super max as a ten year player he can do that with the Lakers. I don't think it's ever been about the money with Kawhi anyway and if he gives up a little now to cash in huge while load managing on a team with 2 other superstars . . . again how is this not obvious??


Yup. PG13 is the living embodiment of ooops...

I would pay good money to see PG's reaction to us getting AD, and his subsequent thoughts when he remembers that he's still running alongside WB and Steven Adams instead of Lebron and Anthony Davis.


Paul George still sticks in some peoples' craws, but you really don't want any part of a cat who gives off the impression that Indiana is too small town for him and then he winds up signing his second term in Oklahoma City (probably the closest thing there is in the NBA to Indianapolis). He's a lightweight. We've had enough problems with players who THOUGHT they were ready for LA, but found out they weren't (see Dwight). A guy like Paul George did us a favor by not coming here if he wasn't 110% behind it. It's just that you never know what you'll never know, so it makes it difficult to forget.


Agreed. You know how much I wanted PG13, but he CHOSE to be a 2nd option behind WB in the OKC market of all places.

Now they are doing a firesale b/c predictably, its ownership group doesn't want to pay the GDP of a 3rd world country to be an annual 1st round out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:56 am    Post subject:

Bol wrote:
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What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?

He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.

Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.

He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal.



Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.

My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can.


arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):

1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)

2. That gets them to around $27.5M

3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.

4. Now we are above $30M.

So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.

*boom* done.

And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.

**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.

Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire.


Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that.


Actually, players do it regularly. Kyrie waived his trade kicker when he was traded to the Celtics, Allen Crabbe did it when he was traded to the Nets, Gasol did it when he was traded to the Raptors this year, Carmelo waived his monster 8 million+ trade kicker when the Knicks traded him to OKC. So no, it really isn't that rare.


Look at AD - if he wanted the big max contract with most total dollars, he would have stayed with the Pelicans. I understand guys who have never had a big contract, maybe nothing bigger than $5 million, that want the biggest deal they can get. But when you have been a number one pick, had at least one big $20 million dollar contract, all-star games, Olympics, etc. You want a chance to win a championship before the end of your career, preferably as an integral part of the team and not a ring-chaser at 36 years of age. Plus, you want to play in a particular city. You take a haircut over the short term, or you sign a less than max deal so another good player comes to team up with you. Its happened a lot more often in the last ten years than it did in the 1960-1990 era.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:06 am    Post subject:

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What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants.


It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb.
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