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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject:

I don't get the attempted critical rehabilitation of Showgirls. I get and like Verhoeven's ouevre, but even he can't put an ironic shine on Esterhaz's mind-numbing script. It is neither camp fun nor incisive satire, and Verhoeven has never been such a bravura visual stylist that I'd stand by his take on utter dreck like I would with DePalma.

I would happily buy a complete Verhoeven box set and use Showgirls as a coaster.
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Tfw you're 45 minutes into a 2-hr movie leaving Mubi at midnight that's interesting, but not great so far, and you have a 9:00 a..m. conference call tomorrow morning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:17 pm    Post subject:

I’ve never watched Showgirls. Would its appeal be similar to that of The Room?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:47 pm    Post subject:

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I’ve never watched Showgirls. Would its appeal be similar to that of The Room?


No, Show Girls was about strippers in Las Vegas. It starred Elizabeth Berkley of Saved By The Bell. She did full frontal nude scenes that left literally nothing to the imagination. The Room according to wiki was a romantic drama.
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I’ve never watched Showgirls. Would its appeal be similar to that of The Room?


Yes and no. Nothing can match the sheer audacity of The Room’s amateurish awfulness. Showgirls is a big, silly, sleazy epic. I have fun with both of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject:

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Tfw you're 45 minutes into a 2-hr movie leaving Mubi at midnight that's interesting, but not great so far, and you have a 9:00 a..m. conference call tomorrow morning.

Anyway, I fast forwarded a couple times through Milla (2018), which has a lot of promise, but doesn't have that much to say about young motherhood.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:10 pm    Post subject:

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I don't get the attempted critical rehabilitation of Showgirls. I get and like Verhoeven's ouevre, but even he can't put an ironic shine on Esterhaz's mind-numbing script. It is neither camp fun nor incisive satire, and Verhoeven has never been such a bravura visual stylist that I'd stand by his take on utter dreck like I would with DePalma.

I would happily buy a complete Verhoeven box set and use Showgirls as a coaster.


For me, it has a lot of Starship Troopers going for it. Those actors straining to deliver an Oscar performance out of cardboard characters with horrid dialogue (and their unawareness of their own lack of talent). Throw in a few mediocre names willing to cheese it up, and you have oodles of unintentional comedy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:52 pm    Post subject:

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...Show Girls was about strippers in Las Vegas. It starred Elizabeth Berkley of Saved By The Bell. She did full frontal nude scenes...


I have the movie just for that reason.

I enjoy seeing all of Jessie Spano.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:32 pm    Post subject:

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I don't get the attempted critical rehabilitation of Showgirls. I get and like Verhoeven's ouevre, but even he can't put an ironic shine on Esterhaz's mind-numbing script. It is neither camp fun nor incisive satire, and Verhoeven has never been such a bravura visual stylist that I'd stand by his take on utter dreck like I would with DePalma.

I would happily buy a complete Verhoeven box set and use Showgirls as a coaster.


For me, it has a lot of Starship Troopers going for it. Those actors straining to deliver an Oscar performance out of cardboard characters with horrid dialogue (and their unawareness of their own lack of talent). Throw in a few mediocre names willing to cheese it up, and you have oodles of unintentional comedy.

I don't hate it, and I can see the unintentional hilarity in the juxtaposition of Gershon/McLachlan's sardonicness and Elizabeth Berkeley's sincerity, but Starship Troopers is fun to me no matter how you engage with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm    Post subject:

Yep, Showgirls is so bad, it's actually kind of watchable. The sex scene with Berkley and MacLahlan in the pool is all kinds of hilarious.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 am    Post subject:

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Yep, Showgirls is so bad, it's actually kind of watchable. The sex scene with Berkley and MacLahlan in the pool is all kinds of hilarious.


Showgirls - 1995
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
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I’ve never watched Showgirls. Would its appeal be similar to that of The Room?


Yes and no. Nothing can match the sheer audacity of The Room’s amateurish awfulness. Showgirls is a big, silly, sleazy epic. I have fun with both of them.


Thanks, I always got the impression it was one of those so bad its good flicks. I might check it out sometime.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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panamaniac wrote:
I’ve never watched Showgirls. Would its appeal be similar to that of The Room?


Yes and no. Nothing can match the sheer audacity of The Room’s amateurish awfulness. Showgirls is a big, silly, sleazy epic. I have fun with both of them.


Thanks, I always got the impression it was one of those so bad its good flicks. I might check it out sometime.


It's entertaining. Wait until you get to the part where she wants to be a real dancer (of course) and meets a real choreographer and this abysmal (bleep) of a production has to put on what they think is "real" dancing. It's priceless.
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Tfw you're 45 minutes into a 2-hr movie leaving Mubi at midnight that's interesting, but not great so far, and you have a 9:00 a..m. conference call tomorrow morning.

My free trial for Mubi is ending soon. It is extremely well cultivated with an interesting selection of films. However, literally half the movies I try to watch are unwatchable due to streaming problems. What has your experience been like?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:27 pm    Post subject:

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Tfw you're 45 minutes into a 2-hr movie leaving Mubi at midnight that's interesting, but not great so far, and you have a 9:00 a..m. conference call tomorrow morning.

My free trial for Mubi is ending soon. It is extremely well cultivated with an interesting selection of films. However, literally half the movies I try to watch are unwatchable due to streaming problems. What has your experience been like?

That sucks. I haven't had any issues using their app on my phone or on Roku or streaming through their website on my computer. I've never contacted them with any issues so I don't onow how responsive/helpful their people are. I hope it works out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:31 pm    Post subject:

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ChickenStu wrote:
Yep, Showgirls is so bad, it's actually kind of watchable. The sex scene with Berkley and MacLahlan in the pool is all kinds of hilarious.


Showgirls - 1995
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Showgirls appeal was it uncensored nude scenes. They were so vivid some were edited. The scene where Berkley stomped the singer had upskirt scenes edited.
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Watched Old Guard on Netlix. Good premise. Good acting. But the dialogue, soundtrack, and a shallow antagonist held it back.. Poor execution really made a movie that should of been great just mediocre. Maybe they'll do a better job if a sequel is greenlit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject:

Not a film, but I binge-watched all four seasons of Mr. Robot. It is a powerful critique of our present society. It is easy to cry foul on certain aspects, but overall it is well-written and directed. And to belabor the obvious, Rami Malek is one of the best actors to emerge in recent years.
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Watched Old Guard on Netlix. Good premise. Good acting. But the dialogue, soundtrack, and a shallow antagonist held it back.. Poor execution really made a movie that should of been great just mediocre. Maybe they'll do a better job if a sequel is greenlit.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that I watched it at all. It's an expensive tv pilot for an adult oriented CW show.
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Godard's Film Socialisme (2010), Goodbye to Language (2014), and The Image Book (2018):


All leaving Criterion Channel at the end of July. Calm down, calm down, don't everybody rush out all at once.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:30 pm    Post subject:

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Godard's Film Socialisme (2010), Goodbye to Language (2014), and The Image Book (2018):


All leaving Criterion Channel at the end of July. Calm down, calm down, don't everybody rush out all at once.


Far more than just that. A woman is a woman, made in usa, contempt -- all being pulled. It's like they put up the Godard collection a few months ago and it's already gone. That's my one issue with CC streaming, it seems like nothing lasts on the platform. Well, that and the UX is abysmal.
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Godard's Film Socialisme (2010), Goodbye to Language (2014), and The Image Book (2018):


All leaving Criterion Channel at the end of July. Calm down, calm down, don't everybody rush out all at once.


Far more than just that. A woman is a woman, made in usa, contempt -- all being pulled. It's like they put up the Godard collection a few months ago and it's already gone. That's my one issue with CC streaming, it seems like nothing lasts on the platform. Well, that and the UX is abysmal.

I definitely share some of your frustrations, but CC ultimately has a finite product and will have to recycle content year to year like they did with the (excellent) Columbia Noir series. Some of those Buñuel and Godard movies are good bets to cycle back at some point in the next 12 months, especially films already in the Collection like Contempt.

I don't have as much of an issue with their UX vis-a-vis other streaming services outside of the craptacular search function, but that's more a condemnation of the UI of every major streaming platform than praise for CC's. Letterboxd has its own issues, but my kingdom for the ability to look up movies by decade and country on every streaming service.
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Watched Old Guard on Netlix. Good premise. Good acting. But the dialogue, soundtrack, and a shallow antagonist held it back.. Poor execution really made a movie that should of been great just mediocre. Maybe they'll do a better job if a sequel is greenlit.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that I watched it at all. It's an expensive tv pilot for an adult oriented CW show.

That's a fair description. Can you think of any action movies you enjoy?
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Watched Old Guard on Netlix. Good premise. Good acting. But the dialogue, soundtrack, and a shallow antagonist held it back.. Poor execution really made a movie that should of been great just mediocre. Maybe they'll do a better job if a sequel is greenlit.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that I watched it at all. It's an expensive tv pilot for an adult oriented CW show.

That's a fair description. Can you think of any action movies you enjoy?

Quite a few!

We could just start with some train/subway movies like The Train, The Taking of Pelham 123, Runaway Train, Unstoppable, and The Commuter.

More?
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Godard's Film Socialisme (2010), Goodbye to Language (2014), and The Image Book (2018):


All leaving Criterion Channel at the end of July. Calm down, calm down, don't everybody rush out all at once.


Far more than just that. A woman is a woman, made in usa, contempt -- all being pulled. It's like they put up the Godard collection a few months ago and it's already gone. That's my one issue with CC streaming, it seems like nothing lasts on the platform. Well, that and the UX is abysmal.


I definitely share some of your frustrations, but CC ultimately has a finite product and will have to recycle content year to year like they did with the (excellent) Columbia Noir series. Some of those Buñuel and Godard movies are good bets to cycle back at some point in the next 12 months, especially films already in the Collection like Contempt.

I don't have as much of an issue with their UX vis-a-vis other streaming services outside of the craptacular search function, but that's more a condemnation of the UI of every major streaming platform than praise for CC's. Letterboxd has its own issues, but my kingdom for the ability to look up movies by decade and country on every streaming service.


True, no doubt Godard will be back. As to CC's search. . . do you ever use the browser version? The "all films" tab allows you to filter by genre, decade, countries, and director. I tend to use that before firing up the (awful) TV version of their app. Or I just pop in here and see what your going on about and check that out if it seems interesting
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