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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject:

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They also signed Lebron


And what have they done with that, thus far? Aside from putting together a team that could be the first time he misses the playoffs since he was a teenager?


Ya, they didn't get a 2nd max guy, so they punted. We could've signed guys to multi-year deals and made the playoffs this year (and created a low ceiling). Is that what you would have preferred?


Let's look at this team if they committed to the youngsters and signed LeBron.

Starters:
Lonzo Ball (21) 9/5/5
D'Angelo Russell(22) 19/4/6
LeBron James (34) 27/8/7
Julius Randle (24) 20/9/3
Ivica Zubac (21) 9/5

Bench:
Rajon Rondo (32) 9/5/8
Jordan Clarkson (26) 16/3/2
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3
Kyle Kuzma(23) 19/6/2
Larry Nance Jr (26) 9/8/3 | Tyson Chandler (36) 4/6


Team Ages Average: 26

You think that's a low ceiling team?


All due respect. W mozgov. Deng. Russell. Clarkson and Randle’s cap
Hold, they can sign lebron and rondo? Don’t think so.


All due respect, they'd have moved Mozgov, just like the Nets did, an off-season later and not had to move anyone.

Again, the Nets moved Mozgov for a lot less than the Lakers moved him for, simply by one additional year ticking off his contract.


The nets moved mozgov this past offseason for Dwight who expires after this season. Even if the kept him and traded him for Dwight like the nets did he'd be on the books for 23 million and expire after this season
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject:

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You go and try and get Eric spolestra from Miami. Lakers haven’t had a good coach sincs 2011. Offer him 10 million a year.


sounds great, but basically impossible. Spolestra just signed a contract extension that was speculated to be rich and long less than 2 years ago.


He’s an example. There are other coaches. Like Walton is so incompetent he takes out 3 scorers in a 7 point game and then watches his trash lineup get blown off the court before coming back in. He’s a total idiot. Coaching matters. This franchise has recycled nobodies at this position. Go look at Dallas. Trade guys and still compete every night. You think these you guys wouldn’t be better with a real coach in their ear every day? Walton is basketball malpractice. His staff is a total joke unless you’re a Unif A homer.


Those signings had no bearing on a team developing young players that doesn't have max free agent dreams. I said this from day one since the coup. What is the point during the Golden State era? You sacrifice your assets, you better win a chip. What is the point in a few 50 win seasons with Lebron then rebuild again? Moz Deng contracts only became an issue because Maginka wanted to be players in the summer.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject:

The biggest issue with the front office this season is that they didn't get rid of Luke earlier. If we had a better coach with better system, player optimization and rotations we would have a much better record without having so many injuries due to a unsustainable pace.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Here’s the bottom line for you cry babies. This was always a two summer deal. My expectation is a second max guy and a real NBA coach. Like you whiners, I actually like the young core and didn’t like the AD deal. Lakers can have lebron and another Star with plenty of rising young talent. If at this point next year they have Jason Kidd as coach and are chasing the 2020 free agency plan with a .500 team, by all means, shred these guys to hell and back.

Not getting worked up over a season that they were never going to contend for a title anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:31 pm    Post subject:

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They sacrificed Russell and Randle for the chance to get Paul George. They failed at that.


Pretty much, they'd have those two for another year and they'd both be gone.

They're looking at bringing in that 2nd star, you aren't keeping those 2 around with another star.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:31 pm    Post subject:

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Bench:
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3


sorry, Ingram is not coming off the bench with that roster
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:33 pm    Post subject:

people keep forgetting that trading d'lo got us kuzma.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject:

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people keep forgetting that trading d'lo got us kuzma.


people keep repeating this false line
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:37 pm    Post subject:

WindyCityLakerFan wrote:
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They also signed Lebron


And what have they done with that, thus far? Aside from putting together a team that could be the first time he misses the playoffs since he was a teenager?


Ya, they didn't get a 2nd max guy, so they punted. We could've signed guys to multi-year deals and made the playoffs this year (and created a low ceiling). Is that what you would have preferred?


Let's look at this team if they committed to the youngsters and signed LeBron.

Starters:
Lonzo Ball (21) 9/5/5
D'Angelo Russell(22) 19/4/6
LeBron James (34) 27/8/7
Julius Randle (24) 20/9/3
Ivica Zubac (21) 9/5

Bench:
Rajon Rondo (32) 9/5/8
Jordan Clarkson (26) 16/3/2
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3
Kyle Kuzma(23) 19/6/2
Larry Nance Jr (26) 9/8/3 | Tyson Chandler (36) 4/6


Team Ages Average: 26

You think that's a low ceiling team?


Except lebron wasn't coming to play with the youngsters. Earlier in the year he said he was frustrated but he knew what he was getting into. He also said it will be easier to recruit in la than Cleveland. This aligns with the two max plan sign for this year and we have another spot for another superstar next year. You keep preaching your narrative versus the front office. Here's the word for the day. Mutually exclusive.

In logic and probability theory, two events are mutually exclusive or disjoint if they cannot both occur at the same time. A clear example is the set of outcomes of a single coin toss, which can result in either heads or tails, but not both.

You cannot have Russell with his cap hold or randle and have space for a second max player. What's so hard to understand about that


Again, you're making it about "But we need a 2nd max player..."
You'd have two youngsters in the starting lineup besides LeBron already putting up numbers akin to what Tobias Harris is (a lot of people's option if you don't get the big 4 max) and Kuzma and Clarkson coming off the bench that can hang 20+ on a given night, + Ingram with Rondo running the show.

It's easy to take talent for granted, but let me ask you this.

Which team is better.

Team A:
Starters:
Vets Min
Tobias Harris level star
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Vets min

Bench:
Vets min
Vets min
MLE
Vets Min
Vets Min

or

Team B:
Starters:
Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
LeBron James
Julius Randle
Ivica Zubac

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Ingram
Kyle Kuzma
Larry Nance Jr | Tyson Chandler



Note Team A is essentially your best case scenario with your max plan. Team B is if the Lakers stayed pat with what they'd built and added LeBron to it.

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Bench:
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3


sorry, Ingram is not coming off the bench with that roster


Who's he starting over, if LeBron is refusing to play the 4?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject:

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people keep forgetting that trading d'lo got us kuzma.


No in the guy’s fake fantasy above. We take kuzma at 28 instead of 27. Although they don’t know if the team at 27 takes kuzma. Also mozgov is moved a year later taking zero salary back. And Lakers keep Randle, Russell, Clarkson, and Nance and can still sign Lebron and Rondo.

Did I say fantasy? Tack on revisionist history with 20/20 vision.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject:

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They sacrificed Russell and Randle for the chance to get Paul George. They failed at that.


Paul George agreed the first day of free agency. The lakers renounced Randle later. How did they sacrifice Randle when they still held his rights after George had already committed to okc


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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people keep forgetting that trading d'lo got us kuzma.


No in the guy’s fake fantasy above. We take kuzma at 28 instead of 27. Although they don’t know if the team at 27 takes kuzma.


Except the Nets have already said they wouldn't have. So what else?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
WindyCityLakerFan wrote:
MJST wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
MJST wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:


They also signed Lebron


And what have they done with that, thus far? Aside from putting together a team that could be the first time he misses the playoffs since he was a teenager?


Ya, they didn't get a 2nd max guy, so they punted. We could've signed guys to multi-year deals and made the playoffs this year (and created a low ceiling). Is that what you would have preferred?


Let's look at this team if they committed to the youngsters and signed LeBron.

Starters:
Lonzo Ball (21) 9/5/5
D'Angelo Russell(22) 19/4/6
LeBron James (34) 27/8/7
Julius Randle (24) 20/9/3
Ivica Zubac (21) 9/5

Bench:
Rajon Rondo (32) 9/5/8
Jordan Clarkson (26) 16/3/2
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3
Kyle Kuzma(23) 19/6/2
Larry Nance Jr (26) 9/8/3 | Tyson Chandler (36) 4/6


Team Ages Average: 26

You think that's a low ceiling team?


Except lebron wasn't coming to play with the youngsters. Earlier in the year he said he was frustrated but he knew what he was getting into. He also said it will be easier to recruit in la than Cleveland. This aligns with the two max plan sign for this year and we have another spot for another superstar next year. You keep preaching your narrative versus the front office. Here's the word for the day. Mutually exclusive.

In logic and probability theory, two events are mutually exclusive or disjoint if they cannot both occur at the same time. A clear example is the set of outcomes of a single coin toss, which can result in either heads or tails, but not both.

You cannot have Russell with his cap hold or randle and have space for a second max player. What's so hard to understand about that


Again, you're making it about "But we need a 2nd max player..."
You'd have two youngsters in the starting lineup besides LeBron already putting up numbers akin to what Tobias Harris is (a lot of people's option if you don't get the big 4 max) and Kuzma and Clarkson coming off the bench that can hang 20+ on a given night, + Ingram with Rondo running the show.

It's easy to take talent for granted, but let me ask you this.

Which team is better.

Team A:
Starters:
Vets Min
Tobias Harris level star
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Vets min

Bench:
Vets min
Vets min
MLE
Vets Min
Vets Min

or

Team B:
Starters:
Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
LeBron James
Julius Randle
Ivica Zubac

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Ingram
Kyle Kuzma
Larry Nance Jr | Tyson Chandler



Note Team A is essentially your best case scenario with your max plan. Team B is if the Lakers stayed pat with what they'd built and added LeBron to it.

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MJST wrote:
Bench:
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3


sorry, Ingram is not coming off the bench with that roster


Who's he starting over, if LeBron is refusing to play the 4?


I'm not making it about what we need I'm making it about what came ot of the mouth of the front office and Lebron. Magic said at the dodgers game next year he's going to bring in another superstar. Lebron did a interview about recruiting players to la. Hell they just questioned him taking Durant first two years in a row in the all star game as a recruiting tactic to bring him to the lakers. It's their plan
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject:

Lakers GM hopes L.A. overcomes adversity like Tom Brady's Patriots.

Rob is now talking football with his good story telling. It's always annoying when he tell us a story pretend he had a lot of wisdom. We want to see results on the court and not your stories.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:26 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers GM hopes L.A. overcomes adversity like Tom Brady's Patriots.

Rob is now talking football with his good story telling. It's always annoying when he tell us a story pretend he had a lot of wisdom. We want to see results on the court and not your stories.


That kind of story telling only works when you've accomplished so much with tons of success in the league like Phil, Pop, Kobe etc.

Rob has accomplished jack squat so instead it comes off as idiotic, annoying and arrogant.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:38 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
Bench:
Brandon Ingram (21) 17/5/3


sorry, Ingram is not coming off the bench with that roster


I wouldn't think so as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject:

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I will miss Mitch's ability to spot young up and coming players who are not appreciated enough. We used to be on the Zubac ends of trades, not Muscala.


His signing of dog crap deng and mozgov sunk this franchise for 5 years. There’s zero need to salary dump Russell and Randle if those trash heaps aren’t singed. It’s equivalent to Maginka singing Thad young and koustofs to 70 million dollar deals. He also extended trash Clarkson.

Wow. How soon we forget.


This is true, but there was also zero need to dump them anyway. The FO could have easily just waived and stretched both as a worst case scenario and still had room for a Max with Randle and Russell.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
skin wrote:
people keep forgetting that trading d'lo got us kuzma.


people keep repeating this false line


Okay. If Kuzma 27th draft pick didn’t come with the DLO trade (which he did), then who did we get with the LouWill trade?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:37 pm    Post subject:

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LeBron is close to missing the playoffs for the first time since 2004..

So this could be the first time LeBron has missed the playoffs in 15 years.

That is a direct result of the roster Magilinka built in the off-season and the off-season prior.

1. They traded Russell for essentially Hart and Bryant (as they'd have got Kuzma anyway), Bryant is gone, Hart has a non factor this season while Russell is an all-star.
2. They let Randle go for nothing. Randle is a 20/10/3 guy this year.
3. They let their most productive center that had just won the starting position from McGee go, giving Chandler back important minutes he struggles in, because age.
4. They prioritized getting 'playmakers' in the off-season after getting LeBron, over shooters.


The result is a team that lacks the depth and build, of a team that can stay above water without LeBron, and in the Western Conference that will not fly.

So the result of that is now that there is a real possibility that LeBron will miss the playoffs for the first time since 2004-2005.

This is nothing to be proud of, or to be defended, especially when the Lakers could have avoided all of this by not moving anyone prior, and moving Mozgov's contract last off-season like the Nets did. Because every other piece would be in place and you'd only need to add Rondo to it as the backup point and you'd be set.

The team, under Mitch/Jim actually built a team that's youngsters would be breaking out at the perfect time in 2018-2019 to be able to help LeBron 'now'. But the new FO refused ot see it that way and decided to try to stealth 'blow it up', while undervaluing the process that came before, and the young players in general.

And now the organization pays for it, LeBron pays for it, and we pay for it as fans. It's time to hold this FO accountable. Regardless of how you feel about Magic as a player, if you were grabbing pitchforks over Jim and Mitch, you don't let Magilinka have a pass for landing LeBron and then potentially missing the playoffs again due to their 'team building' skills or lack thereof.


A lot of these moves - at least the ones that have been made since last summer - go hand in hand with signing Lebron James to your team. Next on the list is scapegoating the coach to replace him with a Lebron-approved guy to coach the team of Lebron-approved guys.
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Maginka ruined this: https://youtu.be/3SUJaAhAa8M
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:55 pm    Post subject:

Runway8 wrote:
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adkindo wrote:
lakers4life78 wrote:
You go and try and get Eric spolestra from Miami. Lakers haven’t had a good coach sincs 2011. Offer him 10 million a year.


sounds great, but basically impossible. Spolestra just signed a contract extension that was speculated to be rich and long less than 2 years ago.


He’s an example. There are other coaches. Like Walton is so incompetent he takes out 3 scorers in a 7 point game and then watches his trash lineup get blown off the court before coming back in. He’s a total idiot. Coaching matters. This franchise has recycled nobodies at this position. Go look at Dallas. Trade guys and still compete every night. You think these you guys wouldn’t be better with a real coach in their ear every day? Walton is basketball malpractice. His staff is a total joke unless you’re a Unif A homer.


Those signings had no bearing on a team developing young players that doesn't have max free agent dreams. I said this from day one since the coup. What is the point during the Golden State era? You sacrifice your assets, you better win a chip. What is the point in a few 50 win seasons with Lebron then rebuild again? Moz Deng contracts only became an issue because Maginka wanted to be players in the summer.


Not enough fans have come to terms with this. There is a dynasty running full bore at the moment. A team loaded with young talent should realize that they have time. What's the hurry? Lebron ain't beating the Warriors (without the NBAs help anyway).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:57 pm    Post subject:

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They sacrificed Russell and Randle for the chance to get Paul George. They failed at that.


Pretty much, they'd have those two for another year and they'd both be gone.

They're looking at bringing in that 2nd star, you aren't keeping those 2 around with another star.


Well, they're both looking like All-Stars already. One officially.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:07 am    Post subject:

Magic and LBJ will beg KD to join Lakers. Rob will sell all the good stories he told Kobe.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:46 am    Post subject:

I think Magic should start to teach our young guys and not to spend time teaching Simmons. WTF is happening with this organization.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:08 am    Post subject:

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I think Magic should start to teach our young guys and not to spend time teaching Simmons. WTF is happening with this organization.


Kuz is trying to emulate Kobe, Ingram Kobe/Durant, I don't think Lonzo idolizes Magic, so maybe they don't want to be taught by Magic *shrugs*

The funny thing about Simmons is people look at him and they (through his mannerisms) are reminded of Lebron, yet he wants to be taught by Magic. It's like people looking at Ingram and being reminded of Durant, yet him wanting to be taught by Kobe xD
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