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Wino
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Famous Quote:
| Quote: | | If we get a lot better, we should be OK!! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Wino wrote: | Famous Quote:
| Quote: | | If we get a lot better, we should be OK!! |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | Matt Thomas > Vander Blue |
at shooting...yes
at basketball....not even close |
That's the D-League MVP. Put some Respek in the man's name!😁 |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| I wish we can get Belleneli or Terrence Ross, those guys would improve our 3pt shooting. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: |
Uh, who? Meeks? Ariza? Horry? |
I am guessing he means Fisher. |
Definitely nick young. Only guy I can think of. |
If you're gonna shade DLO at least do it right and remember Lou MFin Williams last season. |
Does anyone else here feel that a Ball/Russell backcourt could have been a train wreck of epic proportions? Egos, personality clashes, lack of backcourt defense, less chance for Ball's growth his rookie season. I think a trade by mid-season would have been inevitable and with money drying up and the league knowing they have us by the nuts, we would have traded DLO for much less than Bropez and Kuzma. And we would still have Moz's contract. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I wish we can get Belleneli or Terrence Ross, those guys would improve our 3pt shooting. |
Or someone with a pulse who can hit a damn shot. I don't even care if it's inside the 3 point line. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sure, Lonzo is a great ball mover. However, teams will quickly understand that Lonzo isn't going to break down his man and be a threat to score. So they will just stay on our shooters, ergo, less catch/shoot plays. |
Huh? You're expecting the number of catch/shoot 3s to go down even further this year with Lonzo?
Guess we'll have to wait and see but that would be surprising to me considering the style Luke wants to play and the ball movement savant we have. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sure, Lonzo is a great ball mover. However, teams will quickly understand that Lonzo isn't going to break down his man and be a threat to score. So they will just stay on our shooters, ergo, less catch/shoot plays. |
Huh? You're expecting the number of catch/shoot 3s to go down even further this year with Lonzo?
Guess we'll have to wait and see but that would be surprising to me considering the style Luke wants to play and the ball movement savant we have. |
If Lonzo isn't breaking down the defense, why would teams sag off our shooters? 
If anything, I can see teams trying to harass Lonzo on the point of attack and make him give up the ball.
We are also seeing some iso tendencies from several players too.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Do Lakers still need to sign a pure 3-Point Shooter? |
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| MJST wrote: | | Nashlight wrote: | | Aside from our rookies who haven't played an NBA game yet to evaluate more accurately, no one else in this team has shot over 40% from three's while also attempting more than five per game. Nick Young was the only one to do it last season and he's gone. Argument can be made this team may not be as good as last year's in terms of 3-point shooting. Seems we'll be a running team mostly. |
What we need is a scoring three point shooting guard that can trade ball handling responsibilities with Lonzo but is enough of a scorer to drop 20-30 if need be when the offense breaks down.
But there isn't that many available. KCP needs to play much better than he played tonight however. |
I see what you did here. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sure, Lonzo is a great ball mover. However, teams will quickly understand that Lonzo isn't going to break down his man and be a threat to score. So they will just stay on our shooters, ergo, less catch/shoot plays. |
Huh? You're expecting the number of catch/shoot 3s to go down even further this year with Lonzo?
Guess we'll have to wait and see but that would be surprising to me considering the style Luke wants to play and the ball movement savant we have. |
If Lonzo isn't breaking down the defense, why would teams sag off our shooters?
If anything, I can see teams trying to harass Lonzo on the point of attack and make him give up the ball.
We are also seeing some iso tendencies from several players too. |
Because you don't need that old school PG to break down the defense all by his lonesome to get help defense to come to you. I don't expect that type of offense at all.
You can get that through a more team oriented approach. For instance, a simple pick to create a mismatch scenario who Ball then could blow by. Or a roll off the screen, dump the ball in, help comes, kick out to shooter. I don't know all the technical terms, but, let's just GSW doesn't get their looks from dribble penetration. Seems to me they get their looks off of screens and picks that cause mismatches or open looks. Spurs too. Is Parker one hand dribbling inside to kick out to a corner 3pt shooter? No. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yes they do OP, yes they do.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tanlentueux wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | No question. None of the guys are 40% shooters. |
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Kuzma looks like he'll be the one but we need more. Starters can't hit a 3 consistently.
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Bol
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| In this league, you win with stars and shooters. The Lakers don't really have any of either. Thus, bad team. |
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splashmtn
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | This Lakers team don't have real 3-pt shooters, they have players who can shoot a 3. There's a difference. |
This is exactly the issue.
but having a 3 point specialist that can't do anything else but that wont work on a super young team with no other superstars.
He will get destroyed on defense and he wont be able to do anything when they play a good team with a smart defense that will just sit on our shooter. remember the shooter only guy can't dribble that way, can't create his own shot. so he's done if he can't get an open look.
so to me thats not what we really want. we want a guy that can handle the ball a bit and hit that 3 while also being a decent defender. but that kind of guy will cost a bit more money and most good to really good teams already have this guy. there arent this many types left. if at all. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | This Lakers team don't have real 3-pt shooters, they have players who can shoot a 3. There's a difference. |
This is exactly the issue.
but having a 3 point specialist that can't do anything else but that wont work on a super young team with no other superstars.
He will get destroyed on defense and he wont be able to do anything when they play a good team with a smart defense that will just sit on our shooter. remember the shooter only guy can't dribble that way, can't create his own shot. so he's done if he can't get an open look.
so to me thats not what we really want. we want a guy that can handle the ball a bit and hit that 3 while also being a decent defender. but that kind of guy will cost a bit more money and most good to really good teams already have this guy. there arent this many types left. if at all. |
Maybe Brooklyn will be open to trading D'Angelo Russell. =) |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | This Lakers team don't have real 3-pt shooters, they have players who can shoot a 3. There's a difference. |
This is exactly the issue.
but having a 3 point specialist that can't do anything else but that wont work on a super young team with no other superstars.
He will get destroyed on defense and he wont be able to do anything when they play a good team with a smart defense that will just sit on our shooter. remember the shooter only guy can't dribble that way, can't create his own shot. so he's done if he can't get an open look.
so to me thats not what we really want. we want a guy that can handle the ball a bit and hit that 3 while also being a decent defender. but that kind of guy will cost a bit more money and most good to really good teams already have this guy. there arent this many types left. if at all. |
The current team really lacks pure 3-point shooters.
All our good shooters seems to be our rookies. I think that's why Maginka all drafted players who shoot 3's. Kuzma, Hart, TB are all supposed to be 3 and D guys, but they're still unproven.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Mike Dunleavy is still unsigned, 36 years old but shot 42% in Atlanta last season.
The Machine Sasha Vujacic is also still unsigned 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Should've kept Matt Thomas a 2-way player. He is Penberthy 2.0
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Scoffs
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Buy out Matt Thomas' contract and get him back here. |
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kentu_tiro
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | No question. None of the guys are 40% shooters. |
Welcome back Mike! Apart from shooters we need someone who can penetrate the lane. Right now the open shots are as good as the screen set. When that fails, nothing else works. We need a guy that can get to the middle to either pass or score.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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people forgot about Hart? he can potentially be another D and 3 player in the mix if he pans out.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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there is a kid playing for Brooklyn tonight, stroking it from all over the court....but it will be a while before he is an UFA  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | there is a kid playing for Brooklyn tonight, stroking it from all over the court....but it will be a while before he is an UFA |
I have a feeling he's not gonna be interested in the Lakers |
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| "Put me in Coach'" #KyleKuzma |
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