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| 32 wrote: | | Really looking forward to see how he shoots the next two games at home against Cleveland and Chicago. He should have a field day. Notice his two poor performances this week were on the road. I expect big games from him. |
the whole young core struggles on the road...  |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | chickenjoy24 wrote: | | Well he learned from Kobe alright. Keep on shooting even if you're having a bad game. |
And he will keep on shooting on Sunday night. |
Yup. He seems to be the only one who tries to step up and shoulder an increased responsibility. |
So when BI does that at a low efficiency he's a bust, but when Kuzma does that he's showing leadership by trying to take over.
Funny that.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | chickenjoy24 wrote: | | Well he learned from Kobe alright. Keep on shooting even if you're having a bad game. |
And he will keep on shooting on Sunday night. |
Yup. He seems to be the only one who tries to step up and shoulder an increased responsibility. |
So when BI does that at a low efficiency he's a bust, but when Kuzma does that he's showing leadership by trying to take over.
Funny that. |
Only thing is BI F's the entire offense up with 10-12 second iso dribbles and then taking a tough jumper |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | chickenjoy24 wrote: | | Well he learned from Kobe alright. Keep on shooting even if you're having a bad game. |
And he will keep on shooting on Sunday night. |
Yup. He seems to be the only one who tries to step up and shoulder an increased responsibility. |
So when BI does that at a low efficiency he's a bust, but when Kuzma does that he's showing leadership by trying to take over.
Funny that. |
BI doesn’t really do that. At least, not very often.
Difference between having a good game, and shouldering the offensive responsibility when the team needs it.
It’s subtle. Nuanced. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them?
Meanwhile here's "inefficient iso-chucker" Ingram's stats since LeBron's been out.
PPG: 18.3
REB: 6.6
AST: 3.6
TOV 3.2
Field Goal: 45.1%
3 Pointers: 28.6%
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them? |
Why don't u put time of possession difference between kuzma and BI?
And dribbles each took before putting shot up? |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them?
Meanwhile here's "inefficient iso-chucker" Ingram's stats since LeBron's been out.
PPG: 18.3
REB: 6.6
AST: 3.6
TOV 3.2
Field Goal: 45.1%
3 Pointers: 28.6% |
So Brandon is restraining to keep his numbers up? I don’t but that.
I think he just more timid. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | chickenjoy24 wrote: | | Well he learned from Kobe alright. Keep on shooting even if you're having a bad game. |
And he will keep on shooting on Sunday night. |
Yup. He seems to be the only one who tries to step up and shoulder an increased responsibility. |
So when BI does that at a low efficiency he's a bust, but when Kuzma does that he's showing leadership by trying to take over.
Funny that. |
BI doesn’t really do that. At least, not very often.
Difference between having a good game, and shouldering the offensive responsibility when the team needs it.
It’s subtle. Nuanced. |
Biased.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them?
Meanwhile here's "inefficient iso-chucker" Ingram's stats since LeBron's been out.
PPG: 18.3
REB: 6.6
AST: 3.6
TOV 3.2
Field Goal: 45.1%
3 Pointers: 28.6% |
Difference is BI has the ball in his hands more so he can essentially direct the flow of the offense. But he doesn’t. Kuz takes what is givento him and he still makes some sort of impact on the game. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| The impact of Kuzma getting a hot is measurably higher than Brandon getting hot, and it should be plainly obvious how and why. One player chooses not to take threes and play off the dribble, the other can go off for 41 in 3 quarters. Why is that? |
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Hopefully he puts up another 500 shots before Sunday's game with the Cavs  |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | Hopefully he puts up another 500 shots before Sunday's game with the Cavs |
I'm sure he's in the gym right now.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them?
Meanwhile here's "inefficient iso-chucker" Ingram's stats since LeBron's been out.
PPG: 18.3
REB: 6.6
AST: 3.6
TOV 3.2
Field Goal: 45.1%
3 Pointers: 28.6% |
Looks like two bad players to me. Arguing about who sucks more is futile. Lonzo has been bad too. We just gotta hope they all get better or we are screwed because LeGrams probably won't hold up with his millage. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
When was Ingram ever the primary offensive opyion? In the game Kuz missed? |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
When was Ingram ever the primary offensive opyion? In the game Kuz missed? |
Yeah. Probably the two games Kuz missed and we lost both those games.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
When was Ingram ever the primary offensive opyion? In the game Kuz missed? |
He was clearly the primRy scoring option just two games ago as well where we won. How many games have we won with Kuzma as the primary scoring option. At least Brandon is doing other things on the court besides missing shots. |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
When was Ingram ever the primary offensive opyion? In the game Kuz missed? |
He was clearly the primRy scoring option just two games ago as well where we won. How many games have we won with Kuzma as the primary scoring option. At least Brandon is doing other things on the court besides missing shots. |
He had 10 shots in that game. |
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Great series of posts showing why we need to trade both Kuzma and BI for a larger, better piece.
Keep Zo and KCP, ship out BI + Kuz + Hart + FRPs for AD or some combination for Beal.
BI only shoots mid range, which he isnt even good at, he has no 3 pt shot whatsoever.
Kuzma is an inefficient chucker who cant defend.
Hart has regressed to G league levels and makes consistent bone headed plays, including unnecessary fouls. He is also an expert at making a "surprised" face whenever he commits those stupid fouls, as well.
Get them the (bleep) off the team.
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| Thee Black Mamba wrote: | Great series of posts showing why we need to trade both Kuzma and BI for a larger, better piece.
Keep Zo and KCP, ship out BI + Kuz + Hart + FRPs for AD or some combination for Beal.
BI only shoots mid range, which he isnt even good at, he has no 3 pt shot whatsoever.
Kuzma is an inefficient chucker who cant defend.
Hart has regressed to G league levels and makes consistent bone headed plays, including unnecessary fouls. He is also an expert at making a "surprised" face whenever he commits those stupid fouls, as well.
Get them the (bleep) off the team. |
pretty much this. We overrating our young talent. if you can get a proven all-star trade any of the young core |
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Our young core will be 23-24 by the time LeBron retires.
Keep that in mind.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Kuz has the additional responsibility of being the primary scorer while Lebron is out. I'm not really concerned with his inconsistencies right now. He is a perfect with Lebron and when they get more time together on the court and I have no doubt his fg% and 3pt% will go up. |
Brandon had the additional responsibility of going from third option to primary scoring option and 1b playmaker but you didn’t give him a pass. Bias is real. |
Bro said Kuzma gets a pass for doing more of what he's good at but Ingram doesn't get a pass to having to change his entire (bleep) position and trying to run the offense in the halfcourt because no one on our team can 
Why do you think Kuzma doesn't get that kind of extra responsibility? The fact that he ain't giving a pass to the guy that easily added most responsibility in this stretch is funny
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Alright let's break it down.
This is Kuzma's stats since LeBron's been out
PPG: 20.6
REB: 6.1
AST: 2.9
TOV 2.9
Field Goal: 39.8%
3 Pointers: 25%
NOW ...
Any other prospect putting up 20 ppg on 39% shooting and 25% from three with an A:TO ratio that horrid..
WHAT would be being said about them?
Meanwhile here's "inefficient iso-chucker" Ingram's stats since LeBron's been out.
PPG: 18.3
REB: 6.6
AST: 3.6
TOV 3.2
Field Goal: 45.1%
3 Pointers: 28.6% |
Looks like two bad players to me. Arguing about who sucks more is futile. Lonzo has been bad too. We just gotta hope they all get better or we are screwed because LeGrams probably won't hold up with his millage. |
Only difference is Kuz is 23 already about to be 24 and close to his prime. No upside just old overrated trash.
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| Thee Black Mamba wrote: | Great series of posts showing why we need to trade both Kuzma and BI for a larger, better piece.
Keep Zo and KCP, ship out BI + Kuz + Hart + FRPs for AD or some combination for Beal.
BI only shoots mid range, which he isnt even good at, he has no 3 pt shot whatsoever.
Kuzma is an inefficient chucker who cant defend.
Hart has regressed to G league levels and makes consistent bone headed plays, including unnecessary fouls. He is also an expert at making a "surprised" face whenever he commits those stupid fouls, as well.
Get them the (bleep) off the team. |
Keep BI, keep Zo. Get rid of the old overrated players with no upside, they shouldn’t be part of the young core, they are old core. |
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