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andrewc Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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He honestly looked gassed in the second half |
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PenG_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Assuming we end up in the Finals playing the Heat, they'll definitely give Lebron the same treatment they gave Giannis. Glad we have two superstars. |
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ZeroDark30_ Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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LeBron definitely runs clock when he’s gassed too. Happy he has AD to rely on. He’s been carrying teams for so long it’s nice to have someone pick him up in the postseason. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ would be getting roasted right now if AD didn't hit that shot. Only 6 points in the 2nd half. Even tripped and fell late in the game and turned it over. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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ZeroDark30_ wrote: | LeBron definitely runs clock when he’s gassed too. Happy he has AD to rely on. He’s been carrying teams for so long it’s nice to have someone pick him up in the postseason. |
Rondo should have been dribbling the ball up imo |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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PenG_ wrote: | Assuming we end up in the Finals playing the Heat, they'll definitely give Lebron the same treatment they gave Giannis. Glad we have two superstars. |
Don’t wanna look beyond Denver and anything can happen.
But that is a concern against either Boston or Miami. They will collapse the paint a lot and have the defenders that Denver lacks. Bron can not have a Finals like that.
He has to watch tape with Kidd and figure this out within this series. It will come again. Malone knows this strategy can work, he will be telling his team they can come back playing that D. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | LBJ would be getting roasted right now if AD didn't hit that shot. Only 6 points in the 2nd half. Even tripped and fell late in the game and turned it over. |
Oh he'll still get roasted by chumps like Bayless anyway lol. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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strong9 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | kikanga wrote: | LBJ would be getting roasted right now if AD didn't hit that shot. Only 6 points in the 2nd half. Even tripped and fell late in the game and turned it over. |
Oh he'll still get roasted by chumps like Bayless anyway lol. |
Half the folks here were roasting him during the game, why should the national media be any different. |
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ZeroDark30_ Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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strong9 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | kikanga wrote: | LBJ would be getting roasted right now if AD didn't hit that shot. Only 6 points in the 2nd half. Even tripped and fell late in the game and turned it over. |
Oh he'll still get roasted by chumps like Bayless anyway lol. |
Half the folks here were roasting him during the game, why should the national media be any different. |
Exactly. LeBron scores our first 12 points, had 20 in the first half. Still you got guys saying he got carried and bailed out. He’s the only player ever who can never have a teammate better than him on any given night. |
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | PenG_ wrote: | Assuming we end up in the Finals playing the Heat, they'll definitely give Lebron the same treatment they gave Giannis. Glad we have two superstars. |
Don’t wanna look beyond Denver and anything can happen.
But that is a concern against either Boston or Miami. They will collapse the paint a lot and have the defenders that Denver lacks. Bron can not have a Finals like that.
He has to watch tape with Kidd and figure this out within this series. It will come again. Malone knows this strategy can work, he will be telling his team they can come back playing that D. |
Vogel need to recognize this and surround him with floor spacers. Denver did this with Kawhi and Doc never adjusted. Vogel almost fall with the same trap. Switching the high post pick and roll with Caruso .
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Without LeBron’s first half 20 point performance, we’d be down 10 by halftime trying to climb back up. _________________ |
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I think he should be rested more in 3td Q no matter what the result is. I hope coaching staff will consider it. He needs good 7-8 minutes rest before final part of the game. Take him 4 min until end of 3td+ between Q + 3 min in 4th should be ok. Thats good 10min rest. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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CRoost wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | PenG_ wrote: | Assuming we end up in the Finals playing the Heat, they'll definitely give Lebron the same treatment they gave Giannis. Glad we have two superstars. |
Don’t wanna look beyond Denver and anything can happen.
But that is a concern against either Boston or Miami. They will collapse the paint a lot and have the defenders that Denver lacks. Bron can not have a Finals like that.
He has to watch tape with Kidd and figure this out within this series. It will come again. Malone knows this strategy can work, he will be telling his team they can come back playing that D. |
Vogel need to recognize this and surround him with floor spacers. Denver did this with Kawhi and Doc never adjusted. Vogel almost fall with the same trap. Switching the high post pick and roll with Caruso . |
Yeah easier to do with Dwight out there
So Vogel needs to bring Dwight in earlier and take him out earlier as well.
Probably AD, Bron, KCP, Green, Rondo/Caruso when they use this D against Bron. But Bron has to stop attacking so late in the shot clock. |
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lar9149 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Just saw Lebron walk off and AD came and screamed right behind him. When AD does walk off interviews Lebron does similar things.
Love the chemistry here |
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Brawn13 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Denver did a good job keeping him out of the paint in the 2nd half |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Brawn13 wrote: | Denver did a good job keeping him out of the paint in the 2nd half |
They did, however, it was mostly because Lebron just not being aggressive.
He basically was gassed with 8 minutes left in the 2nd and never got his legs back. |
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | CRoost wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | PenG_ wrote: | Assuming we end up in the Finals playing the Heat, they'll definitely give Lebron the same treatment they gave Giannis. Glad we have two superstars. |
Don’t wanna look beyond Denver and anything can happen.
But that is a concern against either Boston or Miami. They will collapse the paint a lot and have the defenders that Denver lacks. Bron can not have a Finals like that.
He has to watch tape with Kidd and figure this out within this series. It will come again. Malone knows this strategy can work, he will be telling his team they can come back playing that D. |
Vogel need to recognize this and surround him with floor spacers. Denver did this with Kawhi and Doc never adjusted. Vogel almost fall with the same trap. Switching the high post pick and roll with Caruso . |
Yeah easier to do with Dwight out there
So Vogel needs to bring Dwight in earlier and take him out earlier as well.
Probably AD, Bron, KCP, Green, Rondo/Caruso when they use this D against Bron. But Bron has to stop attacking so late in the shot clock. |
Could have been better if Kuz drain one of his 3 ball. 21 minutes was just too much when he’s that cold. Morris could have play at least 5 minutes of his.I think Morris and AD on opposite long range and Green and KCP on the opposite corner will have better spacing and create better gap in the middle. Denver is pretty much anticipating the nasty spin by collapsing and ready to take the charge.
Lebron will adjust but Vogel need to anticipate this and find better way to attack it instead of letting Lebron figure it out and forcing it. Also the defensive switch should have been expected. Nuggets employed that throughout the Clippers series. They want to force us to double Jokic. That’s why I’m surprise why Vogel never inserted Dwight in the 3rd and put Lebron or AD on top of the key to trap those switch. |
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leor_77 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am Post subject: |
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What I saw that was pretty effective against Lebron was Denver's strategy of doubling him & packing the paint when he drives. I'm not sure what the solution/adjustment to this is, maybe it's just role players hitting their WIDE open threes. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Regardless of his struggles, loved his play to roll the to our half of the floor, and hit AD for the quick floater, giving us a 2-for-1 opportunity late in the game.
You can't really roll the ball like that with a guy like Caruso . . . you need a superstar like LeBron that the defense respects, otherwise most NBA teams would just ambush the ball. But with LBJ's speed and savvy, you have to respect his ability to pick up the ball and blow past you. great veteran move, very savvy, very heady, cerebral basketball. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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During the game LeBron's play brought to mine, Bronny. I wondered if the revelation affected his play. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Look guys, the problem with Lebron in the 4th is a very easy problem to fix. It's not about Bronny, Lebron was carving up in the first half. It's not about being gassed. It's not about being injured. Here's two images from the 4th.
Here's the first image with 80 seconds left to go. Dwight's out of the game here which means more shooters and spacing. Three people have collapsed on Lebron in the paint with another hedging his bets. AD is wide open in the corner, there's a 2 on 1 on the other side. This is a simple drive and kick for Lebron but instead he tried to force the issue against three defenders, fell, and turned the ball over.
https://i.imgur.com/ZEO3ujp.png
Here's another image with three and a half minutes to go. I think this was a fast break because there's only 4 Lakers in the frame. Lebron's going for a layup, three people have collapsed on him in the paint, Dwight's also in there which ruins the spacing a bit (I doubt he'll be in the 4th quarter future games). But even with one Laker not in the frame and Dwight ruining spacing, Caruso is wiiiiiiiiiiide open in the corner. Another simple drive and kick, Lebron tries for the layup against three and blows it.
https://i.imgur.com/ir2MfzE.png
The problem with Lebron in this game was that he was calling his own number when he shouldn't be. Probably because he wanted to show everyone he was MVP and blew it. Also Dwight shouldn't be in there in the 4th. I expect both these problems to be fixed next game, they're simple fixes |
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PenG_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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drae wrote: | Look guys, the problem with Lebron in the 4th is a very easy problem to fix. It's not about Bronny, Lebron was carving up in the first half. It's not about being gassed. It's not about being injured. Here's two images from the 4th.
Here's the first image with 80 seconds left to go. Dwight's out of the game here which means more shooters and spacing. Three people have collapsed on Lebron in the paint with another hedging his bets. AD is wide open in the corner, there's a 2 on 1 on the other side. This is a simple drive and kick for Lebron but instead he tried to force the issue against three defenders, fell, and turned the ball over.
https://i.imgur.com/ZEO3ujp.png
Here's another image with three and a half minutes to go. I think this was a fast break because there's only 4 Lakers in the frame. Lebron's going for a layup, three people have collapsed on him in the paint, Dwight's also in there which ruins the spacing a bit (I doubt he'll be in the 4th quarter future games). But even with one Laker not in the frame and Dwight ruining spacing, Caruso is wiiiiiiiiiiide open in the corner. Another simple drive and kick, Lebron tries for the layup against three and blows it.
https://i.imgur.com/ir2MfzE.png
The problem with Lebron in this game was that he was calling his own number when he shouldn't be. Probably because he wanted to show everyone he was MVP and blew it. Also Dwight shouldn't be in there in the 4th. I expect both these problems to be fixed next game, they're simple fixes |
Good post. It's not about diminishing athleticism so much as making the right play. Sure, if you go back and watch Lebron in those Miami Final's, he was stupid explosive in his first step. However, last night was about poor decision making, especially late. We can protect the ball while also finding good looks. A drive and kick is superior to draining the clock on the perimeter, then firing a bullet pass with a few seconds left. The difference in expected FG conversion is practically a turnover. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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^the biggest fix he needs to make is pace. he walked the ball up the floor every chance he got. We weren't even getting into any actions until 14 seconds were left on the clock against a fully set Denver D. Unacceptable. Needs to push the pace constantly. Denver is a low possession team - playing a low pace is their game, not ours. |
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think anyone is really worried about LeBron.
Looking forward to what adjustments they make in game 3 though.
I liked the look on lebron's face when rondo passed a bounce pass behind him to AD.
It was like, who the heck are you throwing that to? _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!! |
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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CRoost wrote: | Could have been better if Kuz drain one of his 3 ball. 21 minutes was just too much when he’s that cold. |
You can't predict hot and cold spells. A player can miss 4 shots in a row, and then hit the next 4, and vice versa. |
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