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venturalakersfan
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| Theseus wrote: | Looking at standings first when determining MVP is lazy. I wish more thought went into this award with how much stock people put into player's individual careers when they argue. Its literally just the best player on the best team standings wise. Its why Nash won it over Kobe when he dragged Kwame/Smush to the playoffs. Its why Rose won over Lebron when Rose achieved the average Damian Lillard season.
I'd like it if MVP awards were nuanced discussions about how a player fits into a certain system in a way that is unique or special. Or how they are doing things that are unique and special. Or that their individual greatness is what made them the mvp, rather than they were in the right system with the right complement of players.
Maybe my gripe is by way of how people use the MVP award in arguments of individual players when it has been heavily weighted by team success. |
The MVP is just another media popularity award, it hasn’t meant much in a long time. I couldn’t even tell you who won it last season.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Theseus wrote: | Looking at standings first when determining MVP is lazy. I wish more thought went into this award with how much stock people put into player's individual careers when they argue. Its literally just the best player on the best team standings wise. Its why Nash won it over Kobe when he dragged Kwame/Smush to the playoffs. Its why Rose won over Lebron when Rose achieved the average Damian Lillard season.
I'd like it if MVP awards were nuanced discussions about how a player fits into a certain system in a way that is unique or special. Or how they are doing things that are unique and special. Or that their individual greatness is what made them the mvp, rather than they were in the right system with the right complement of players.
Maybe my gripe is by way of how people use the MVP award in arguments of individual players when it has been heavily weighted by team success. |
The MVP is just another media popularity award, it hasn’t meant much in a long time. I couldn’t even tell you who won it last season. |
I too wasn’t aware of the last few MVPs quite honestly.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: |
Not surprising. We all knew the Lakers would start resting LeBron a little bit especially after the great performances against the Bucks and Clippers. |
I hope he's OK.
Bron, you can have IG's groin!!!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Theseus wrote: | Looking at standings first when determining MVP is lazy. I wish more thought went into this award with how much stock people put into player's individual careers when they argue. Its literally just the best player on the best team standings wise. Its why Nash won it over Kobe when he dragged Kwame/Smush to the playoffs. Its why Rose won over Lebron when Rose achieved the average Damian Lillard season.
I'd like it if MVP awards were nuanced discussions about how a player fits into a certain system in a way that is unique or special. Or how they are doing things that are unique and special. Or that their individual greatness is what made them the mvp, rather than they were in the right system with the right complement of players.
Maybe my gripe is by way of how people use the MVP award in arguments of individual players when it has been heavily weighted by team success. |
The MVP is just another media popularity award, it hasn’t meant much in a long time. I couldn’t even tell you who won it last season. |
Has it ever had much merit? Media has voted on it since the 80s. Before that the players voted. Not sure how serious the players back then took it. Obviously current players don't care about voting for the all stars.
It definitely means a lot in some ways. Even if it doesn't have much merit. The media controls narratives on players legacies. And obviously there is money to be made by being an MVP. Not just from marketing, but in some instances your actual NBA salary may be higher because you won an MVP. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lebron would either be the MVP favorite or a coin toss away in soooooo many years with his current narrative (stats, age, miles, record, etc.). But in typical Lebron fashion, he ran into a buzz saw. The path of least resistance is to just give the award to the player whose on-court value is the highest in the league. That's Giannis. |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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LeLoad Managing tomorrow.
Smart after the past 2 games. |
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Fully expecting Waiters to make his debut tomorrow in Bron’s place
Rondo - AC
AB - KCP - Waiters
DG - Kuzma
AD - Morris
McGee - Howard
Bron deserves a rest, he’s had a big few games
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Theseus wrote: | Looking at standings first when determining MVP is lazy. I wish more thought went into this award with how much stock people put into player's individual careers when they argue. Its literally just the best player on the best team standings wise. Its why Nash won it over Kobe when he dragged Kwame/Smush to the playoffs. Its why Rose won over Lebron when Rose achieved the average Damian Lillard season.
I'd like it if MVP awards were nuanced discussions about how a player fits into a certain system in a way that is unique or special. Or how they are doing things that are unique and special. Or that their individual greatness is what made them the mvp, rather than they were in the right system with the right complement of players.
Maybe my gripe is by way of how people use the MVP award in arguments of individual players when it has been heavily weighted by team success. |
The MVP is just another media popularity award, it hasn’t meant much in a long time. I couldn’t even tell you who won it last season. |
Your attitude toward the regular season MVP wouldn't have anything to do with how many Kawhi's won, would it?  |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
Not surprising. We all knew the Lakers would start resting LeBron a little bit especially after the great performances against the Bucks and Clippers. |
I hope he's OK.
Bron, you can have IG's groin!!! |
How’s IG’s groin? Grade A beef?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: |
Perfect time for some load management. He deserves some rest after back to back tough wins. I hope he only plays every other game from now until playoffs. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I stopped caring about MVPs when Nash started scooping them up as if he was actually the best player in the game.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Would rather have Lebron play tomorrow, get the win to further secure the #1 seed and then rest him @ Utah.
If he played tomorrow, he would have had 2.5 days rest, then 2 days, then 3 days, then 3 days. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | Fully expecting Waiters to make his debut tomorrow in Bron’s place
Rondo - AC
AB - KCP - Waiters
DG - Kuzma
AD - Morris
McGee - Howard
Bron deserves a rest, he’s had a big few games |
For Real. Only 2 turnovers again vs the Clippers. Loving this stuff from him lately
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | I stopped caring about MVPs when Nash started scooping them up as if he was actually the best player in the game. |
Lol. He has as many MVP awards as Shaq and Kobe COMBINED 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | I stopped caring about MVPs when Nash started scooping them up as if he was actually the best player in the game. |
Lol. He has as many MVP awards as Shaq and Kobe COMBINED |
I know Kobe got punished by the media because of Colorado but can’t believe the Diesel got only one MVP . |
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If the Lakers end the season with the best record, should LeGM get the Executive of the Year award?
Or do we just do "LeGM" when things are going badly?
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| Quote: | Tania Ganguli
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LeBron James, who is listed as questionable, said he’ll play tonight. |
Bruh! I get it, you're the MVP!
But I don't mind you resting
At the same time, you did say that your body feels better the more you play.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | If the Lakers end the season with the best record, should LeGM get the Executive of the Year award?
Or do we just do "LeGM" when things are going badly? |
LeGM gets co-executive of the year with Pelinka if they win the championship imo. The roster is still one that is limited and relies HEAVILY on LBJ and AD being and playing like top 5 players. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Play 20 mins and rest the other 28. That's load management. |
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| I wonder if his decision was influenced by the Bucks losing ... |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Tania Ganguli
@taniaganguli
LeBron James, who is listed as questionable, said he’ll play tonight. |
Bruh! I get it, you're the MVP!
But I don't mind you resting
At the same time, you did say that your body feels better the more you play. |
https://media.tenor.com/images/bbcf39e86cd5850bf982e32f4b2cb0c3/tenor.gif
Sit your ass down Bron! Save this dude from himself please. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Tania Ganguli
@taniaganguli
LeBron James, who is listed as questionable, said he’ll play tonight. |
Bruh! I get it, you're the MVP!
But I don't mind you resting
At the same time, you did say that your body feels better the more you play. |
https://media.tenor.com/images/bbcf39e86cd5850bf982e32f4b2cb0c3/tenor.gif
Sit your ass down Bron! Save this dude from himself please. |
For better or worse, I think Lebron knows how to in game load manage. |
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drae
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Tania Ganguli
@taniaganguli
LeBron James, who is listed as questionable, said he’ll play tonight. |
Bruh! I get it, you're the MVP!
But I don't mind you resting
At the same time, you did say that your body feels better the more you play. |
https://media.tenor.com/images/bbcf39e86cd5850bf982e32f4b2cb0c3/tenor.gif
Sit your ass down Bron! Save this dude from himself please. |
It's probably small consolation but I guess the match against the Bucks would have been more exhausting for Lebron. Not only was Lebron having to physically stop Giannis, he went physically against Giannis and the Bucks as well. Whereas against the Clippers he more picked the Clippers defense apart mentally rather than physically hammering himself against them.
I dunno, seemed like the perfect opportunity to rest to me  |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Fellas I know you can injure yourself slipping on a banana peel on the sidewalk. Wario is such (bleep) btw!
But all it takes is another team’s Hart/AvBrad to go balls to the (pelvic)wall and take out your star for multiple games. I’m starting to have #Gro’inConcerns we testing our luck with the b-ball gawds. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Pureshot77 wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Tania Ganguli
@taniaganguli
LeBron James, who is listed as questionable, said he’ll play tonight. |
Bruh! I get it, you're the MVP!
But I don't mind you resting
At the same time, you did say that your body feels better the more you play. |
https://media.tenor.com/images/bbcf39e86cd5850bf982e32f4b2cb0c3/tenor.gif
Sit your ass down Bron! Save this dude from himself please. |
For better or worse, I think Lebron knows how to in game load manage. |
Unfortunately he also knows how to get injured in game. Still, no one knows his body better than he does, if he thinks that he should play I would never argue.
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