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LaLaLakeShow
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | hype wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: |
And incredibly ill advised |
He has some ill advised passes at times but that comes with pretty much any elite passer.. it's going to happen sometimes..
on this specific play though i think it was actually just an incredibly heads up play by him and he was thinking pass to the corner but saw bradley cutting to the basket and changed his mind mid air and still delivered a perfect pass. |
“Incredibly ill-advised”? Hmm, oh, I see, now it makes sense. Haha.
I will say, first time I saw him go into the air to pass, I was like noo cmon. But I didn’t see what he saw.
That’s another thing with elite passers... what looks ill-advised in real-time to us mere mortals is just them playing 4D chess. |
Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens |
That was a straight line pass that was out of reach to 4 nearby players.
Not sure if by zip you mean zipper? Then I agree. The ball had no zipper. |
You know what I meant
If you disagree, that’s cool. Fans see plays differently all the time.
I think if he made that pass every game, he’d have more turnovers than assists with it |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:32 am Post subject: |
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He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
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Carushow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| That Bamba-block was nasty. I bet that triggered some unpleasant flashbacks of Mario Hezonja in LeBron's head. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
I said “that pass”. Not passes like that. At least respond to my actual words if you’re going to nit pick.
And I believe that pass is not a good idea most times and would not work out well more often than not. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
I said “that pass”. Not passes like that. At least respond to my actual words if you’re going to nit pick.
And I believe that pass is not a good idea most times and would not work out well more often than not. |
Well of course you do, I would’t doubt that you believe that for a moment. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
I said “that pass”. Not passes like that. At least respond to my actual words if you’re going to nit pick.
And I believe that pass is not a good idea most times and would not work out well more often than not. |
Well of course you do, I would’t doubt that you believe that for a moment. |
Okay. Not understanding your veiled insult.
Listen man, if you think that’s a smart play to make then we simply disagree.
Is that alright?  |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| That's the thing with elite passers... They throw passes that most other players won't even try attempting because it's ill-advised. But sometimes you do throw passes like that to keep the defense guessing and honest. Lebron is known for throwing passes like that. |
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Same with a lot of the great scorers. Kobe. Steph. KD. Harden. AI. The list is endless, they take shots where it's "why...oh...wow..."
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| Carushow wrote: | | That Bamba-block was nasty. I bet that triggered some unpleasant flashbacks of Mario Hezonja in LeBron's head. |
It was so unpleasant and demoralizing that LeBron went straight to the rim immediately on the very next play and scored. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: |
And incredibly ill advised |
I'll have to disagree with you there, bro. Just like Kobe would take "ill advised" shots that he had the confidence and skill to make, Bron made that pass. All good, though. Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
I said “that pass”. Not passes like that. At least respond to my actual words if you’re going to nit pick.
And I believe that pass is not a good idea most times and would not work out well more often than not. |
Do us all a favor, start a LeBron P&M thread and post their
Everytime I come to this thread I see u taking shots at this guy by hiding behind the bushes |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | He does make passes like that every game.
He had two of them alone last night. |
I said “that pass”. Not passes like that. At least respond to my actual words if you’re going to nit pick.
And I believe that pass is not a good idea most times and would not work out well more often than not. |
Do us all a favor, start a LeBron P&M thread and post their
Everytime I come to this thread I see u taking shots at this guy by hiding behind the bushes |
Posts like this do nothing to further the conversation and are completely unnecessary. Talk about the Lakers, not other posters. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens[/quote]
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: |
And incredibly ill advised |
I'll have to disagree with you there, bro. Just like Kobe would take "ill advised" shots that he had the confidence and skill to make, Bron made that pass. All good, though. Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion. |
Exactly. Nothing wrong with seeing a given play in a different light.
How many times do I have to say LeBron has impressed me with his leadership, defense and overall game this year before I can post honestly without having to fend off a bunch of rabid counter arguments.
You’re the man, Landsberger.  |
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drae
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
You may be right. It didn’t look that way to me |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
IMO, the pass was pretty dangerous. Fortunately #7 on Orlando was slow to react to get the steal. But I have no problem with him trying the pass.
I only had 2 qualms about yesterdays game re: Lebron:
1. Not a fan of turnovers in general, and definitely not a fan of 6 TOs. But I feel less upset about it in a win 
2. It was a shame that the team couldnt hold the big lead. I didnt want him playing 37 mins again  |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
IMO, the pass was pretty dangerous. Fortunately #7 on Orlando was slow to react to get the steal. But I have no problem with him trying the pass.
I only had 2 qualms about yesterdays game re: Lebron:
1. Not a fan of turnovers in general, and definitely not a fan of 6 TOs. But I feel less upset about it in a win
2. It was a shame that the team couldnt hold the big lead. I didnt want him playing 37 mins again |
To be honest, this felt like the 1st time in a while I checked the box score and he had a high turnover number. I swear, it seemed like every time I looked he only had like 2 or 3 turnovers for a few weeks there. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
You may be right. It didn’t look that way to me |
Okay, so what I've done is freeze framed the play right as Lebron goes to pass
https://i.imgur.com/k4yq97a.png
Observe the two Magic players in the paint between Lebron and Bradley? Any pass with zip likely gets tipped or intercepted by those two. So what Lebron needs to do is lob it gently behind the guy underneath the basket and away from Fornier who's lurking with malicious intent.
Lebron also fakes a shot which maybe also freezes the guy underneath the basket an extra half a second, which also helps.
Anyway I've freeze framed the play half way through just to demonstrate how on the money it was. Take a look at this thing:
https://i.imgur.com/qKvVx4J.png |
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| ^ I wonder if Lebron was actually throwing an ally oop to AB. But forgot that AB is AB and not DWade. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
You may be right. It didn’t look that way to me |
Okay, so what I've done is freeze framed the play right as Lebron goes to pass
https://i.imgur.com/k4yq97a.png
Observe the two Magic players in the paint between Lebron and Bradley? Any pass with zip likely gets tipped or intercepted by those two. So what Lebron needs to do is lob it gently behind the guy underneath the basket and away from Fornier who's lurking with malicious intent.
Lebron also fakes a shot which maybe also freezes the guy underneath the basket an extra half a second, which also helps.
Anyway I've freeze framed the play half way through just to demonstrate how on the money it was. Take a look at this thing:
https://i.imgur.com/qKvVx4J.png |
Like I said, you could be right.
To me it just looked like he was falling backwards and couldn’t get any mustard on the attempt. Kinda like a happy accident. But who knows.. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | ^ I wonder if Lebron was actually throwing an ally oop to AB. But forgot that AB is AB and not DWade. |
"Why are you so SHORT, AB?" 
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miggz23
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Most of his passes are on point.
That one was most certainly not.
No zip on it whatsoever. Bad pass that turned out great. It happens
See where I say “most of his passes are on point??”
Lord...can’t even make the Slightest of criticisms without catching flak.
This is getting ridiculous. |
It was on point.
Bradley was cutting but there was a man standing in front of where Bradley was, so he couldn't throw a pass with zip on it. A pass with zip would either be intercepted or go out of bounds. The only option was to lob it gently to where Bradley would be in the future and trust that he would go get it.
I would say that Lebron threw Bradley open but the pass was on his route, so this probably wasn't the case in this instance. |
You may be right. It didn’t look that way to me |
Okay, so what I've done is freeze framed the play right as Lebron goes to pass
https://i.imgur.com/k4yq97a.png
Observe the two Magic players in the paint between Lebron and Bradley? Any pass with zip likely gets tipped or intercepted by those two. So what Lebron needs to do is lob it gently behind the guy underneath the basket and away from Fornier who's lurking with malicious intent.
Lebron also fakes a shot which maybe also freezes the guy underneath the basket an extra half a second, which also helps.
Anyway I've freeze framed the play half way through just to demonstrate how on the money it was. Take a look at this thing:
https://i.imgur.com/qKvVx4J.png |
That pass was pretty crazy... Plus it's not like he was lobbing it to a tall player also. I think that pass shows how much this team is in sync. He anticipated and trusted Bradley to be there.
Also when I was watching the play I thought he was going to Dudley or Dwight. |
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ESPN Real Plus minus is already updated.
Lebron is #1 with 10.18
Harden is #2 with 7.18
Giannis is #3 with 6.67
What I dont get is only #50 with 2.48
Even Caruso is higher than him at #28 with 3.16
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