This thread should be renamed “Piss and Moan Thread 2.0”.
Not all Laker fans automatically worship LeBron. Don’t know what to tell you
The low level vitriol you spew has been utterly unmatched positively. That is obvious. I'm honestly surprised that the mods have allowed you and Datth what's his face to stomp through this thread with your nonsense for this long when it's clear as day that you guys have an agenda every single time you post in this thread. I really don't get it.
I’m surprised you’re trying to passive aggressively trying to push the mods hands, should this be allowed?
This thread should be renamed “Piss and Moan Thread 2.0”.
Not all Laker fans automatically worship LeBron. Don’t know what to tell you
The low level vitriol you spew has been utterly unmatched positively. That is obvious. I'm honestly surprised that the mods have allowed you and Datth what's his face to stomp through this thread with your nonsense for this long when it's clear as day that you guys have an agenda every single time you post in this thread. At this point I really don't get it.
It’s called an opinion. Pretty sure everyone is giving theirs, as well.
Feel free to point out the difference between the “agendas” and the opinions of the posters here. Sheesh
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject:
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I hope he does lead us to a championship.
I just want the nonsense about him being obviously better than Kobe to stop already. People can have their opinions, but far too often I’ve heard statements like, “It’s just a Fact that LeBron is better..”
No patience for that junk
Joined: 26 May 2016 Posts: 7825 Location: Long Beach
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:51 pm Post subject:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I think most of us are glad to have an asset on the squad that could lead the Lakers to a chip.. Even if we aren't big fans of that asset.
I think it's a small percentage that worship him, and a small percentage that want him to fail even with a Lakers jersey on. I'd like to think most of us don't fall within either of those camps.
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I hope he does lead us to a championship.
I just want the nonsense about him being obviously better than Kobe to stop already. People can have their opinions, but far too often I’ve heard statements like, “It’s just a Fact that LeBron is better..”
No patience for that junk
To be honest I just reintroduced the Kobe v Lebron argument because I was tired of reading uninformed political statements about China. At least Kobe v Lebron is about basketball
The whole LeBron vs Kobe argument is tiring... LeBron didn't do his part in 2009 to get to the finals so we never got to see Kobe vs LeBron collide for a title.
All I care about is that LeBron looks like he's moved the chess pieces to get us a title and a young superstar for the next 5 years... he's earned my fandom, even if it's not as dap a love for Kobe.
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I think most of us are glad to have an asset on the squad that could lead the Lakers to a chip.. Even if we aren't big fans of that asset.
I think it's a small percentage that worship him, and a small percentage that want him to fail even with a Lakers jersey on. I'd like to think most of us don't fall within either of those camps.
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I hope he does lead us to a championship.
I just want the nonsense about him being obviously better than Kobe to stop already. People can have their opinions, but far too often I’ve heard statements like, “It’s just a Fact that LeBron is better..”
No patience for that junk
To be honest I just reintroduced the Kobe v Lebron argument because I was tired of reading uninformed political statements about China. At least Kobe v Lebron is about basketball
Joined: 26 May 2016 Posts: 7825 Location: Long Beach
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:04 pm Post subject:
realking24 wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I think most of us are glad to have an asset on the squad that could lead the Lakers to a chip.. Even if we aren't big fans of that asset.
I think it's a small percentage that worship him, and a small percentage that want him to fail even with a Lakers jersey on. I'd like to think most of us don't fall within either of those camps.
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
AD's definitely more talented than anyone else in the 2009 Lakers not named Kobe, but the current team doesn't have the same depth because Kawhi screwed us badly. The 2009 team was pretty talented overall (World Peace made all defensive teams for example, Odom was sixth man of the year). Also AD is much more injury prone.
But if this Lakers team makes it to the playoffs healthy the expectation has to be championship, but getting there healthy is a big if imo.
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
AD's definitely more talented than anyone else in the 2009 Lakers not named Kobe, but the current team doesn't have the same depth because Kawhi screwed us badly. The 2009 team was pretty talented overall (World Peace made all defensive teams for example, Odom was sixth man of the year). Also AD is much more injury prone.
But if this Lakers team makes it to the playoffs healthy the expectation has to be championship, but getting there healthy is a big if imo.
Ok just checking. Just about everybody in the media has us winning the championship. Then again, they also had us making it to the Conference Finals last season. Just trying to get the "He needs more help" excuse out of the way before the season starts. As Ive stated many times on this board, I hate excuse makers. You strap it up with the team you have. Crying is for babies.
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
AD's definitely more talented than anyone else in the 2009 Lakers not named Kobe, but the current team doesn't have the same depth because Kawhi screwed us badly. The 2009 team was pretty talented overall (World Peace made all defensive teams for example, Odom was sixth man of the year). Also AD is much more injury prone.
But if this Lakers team makes it to the playoffs healthy the expectation has to be championship, but getting there healthy is a big if imo.
Nice response. Plus, we had Phil Jackson steering that ship. Damn I loved that team.
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
AD's definitely more talented than anyone else in the 2009 Lakers not named Kobe, but the current team doesn't have the same depth because Kawhi screwed us badly. The 2009 team was pretty talented overall (World Peace made all defensive teams for example, Odom was sixth man of the year). Also AD is much more injury prone.
But if this Lakers team makes it to the playoffs healthy the expectation has to be championship, but getting there healthy is a big if imo.
Nice response. Plus, we had Phil Jackson steering that ship. Damn I loved that team.
Championship or bust. No excuses for LBJ. He has a team this year
If he thinks he is the best, prove it... Kobe proved it 5 times
no one will care if he puts up crazy stats and loses in the playoffs
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Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 22856 Location: La Jolla, San Diego
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:37 am Post subject:
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I hope he does lead us to a championship.
I just want the nonsense about him being obviously better than Kobe to stop already. People can have their opinions, but far too often I’ve heard statements like, “It’s just a Fact that LeBron is better..”
No patience for that junk
The only place where Kobe is viewed as better than Lebron is LG. Some outside the purple and gold land may take Kobe, but the majority beyond p&g world take Lebron. You also have a minority in p&g world who will take Lebron, I am part of that minority. So in my opinion, Bron ranks above Kobe in the all time list. Not on the Lakers list because he hasn't done squat with the Lakers and we're not getting him in his prime. But overall career, Bron is better... just an opinion.
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 22856 Location: La Jolla, San Diego
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:48 am Post subject:
Lucky_Shot wrote:
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
drae wrote:
kwase wrote:
drae wrote:
Darth Los Angeles wrote:
drae wrote:
Darth Los Angeles wrote:
However... There is a reason why young players and fellow HOF'ers prefer Kobe. They know the truth. And so do we.
They had some good duels
FreeDawkins highlighted their 2006 matchup where Kobe had 38 and Bron 29. Good times and it was an incredible match
I'll be honest... LeBron missed the boat. He was supposed to face Kobe in 2008-2010 and didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Not only did he fail -- but he got embarrassed and utterly choked out by the Celtics and the Magic. And this isn't counting the disrespect the Wizards showed him along the way. There was a complete dislike towards LeBron from the Celtics and he could not match the level of play. Then to end up getting popped by Dwight is just sad.
Fast forward and LeBron performs the most cowardice act in free agent history -- but still gets popped by Jason Terry in the Finals.
The point is that LeBron has had his fair share of opportunity to be greater than his circumstances and he's failed when the stakes were the highest. The period of failure from 2008-2010 was upheld by the meltdown of 2011. It showed the world that LeBron wasn't ready to face Kobe. If Rondo and Jason Terry could lock him up; what do think Ariza or Metta would have done? I could see Phil Jackson playing Derek Fisher on LeBron too. Bottom line... It would have been ugly.
All the stats in the world don't mean a thing when your peers don't respect you or your game.
Those Cleveland teams were horrible, which is why he left. Lebron never had the luxury of being on a championship team as the second best player. Kobe entered the league and had Shaq, the guy who won finals MVP 2000-2002 not Kobe, Lebron entered the league and had nobody.
So sure while Lebron had opportunities, some players had greater opportunities than others. Not even Jordan could take the Bulls anywhere by himself.
Can I ask you this...when Kobe won back to back championships with Gasol was there anybody on that team as good as AD? Does this years Lakers squad have more talent than the 2009 and 2010 Lakers?
AD's definitely more talented than anyone else in the 2009 Lakers not named Kobe, but the current team doesn't have the same depth because Kawhi screwed us badly. The 2009 team was pretty talented overall (World Peace made all defensive teams for example, Odom was sixth man of the year). Also AD is much more injury prone.
But if this Lakers team makes it to the playoffs healthy the expectation has to be championship, but getting there healthy is a big if imo.
Nice response. Plus, we had Phil Jackson steering that ship. Damn I loved that team.
Championship or bust. No excuses for LBJ. He has a team this year
If he thinks he is the best, prove it... Kobe prove it 5 times
no one will care if he puts up crazy stats and loses in the playoffs
He proved it 3 times with one of the best centers of all time before even turning 24. Think about that, 3 chips before 24, that is being at the right place at the right time. Then he proved it twice before turning 32 yrs old and never again. Lebron is 35. Like Kobe, his last chip came before turning 32. Nobody will diminish his career if he doesn't deliver a chip except Laker fans. Which is amazing why he signed here in the first place. To put up his reputation, and have all this pressure from Laker fans. But the fact that he's still expected to win a chip and we're still getting super stars to build around him speaks to his longevity. I think he does it, but if he doesn't, I don't view him differently. Even though I think he's better than Kobe overall, I never wanted him here in the first place, not at the expense of the youth movement. But oh well, we're here and we have a chance this year.
I just want the nonsense about him being obviously better than Kobe to stop already. People can have their opinions, but far too often I’ve heard statements like, “It’s just a Fact that LeBron is better..”
No patience for that junk
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
It’s called an opinion.
So you want any opinions contrary to yours to stop?
Lebron/AD is strikingly similar to Kobe/Shaq of the early 2000's. Hopefully, the result would also be similar. Here's to the first of 3 consecutive championships. Cheers.
If Lebron could get us 3 rings, I'd put him on my mount rushmore of Laker legends. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024
Lebron/AD is strikingly similar to Kobe/Shaq of the early 2000's. Hopefully, the result would also be similar. Here's to the first of 3 consecutive championships. Cheers.
If Lebron could get us 3 rings, I'd put him on my mount rushmore of Laker legends.
Who's on there now, and who do you bump off?
The only 2 I'd argue can't be taken off are Kobe and Magic.
Lebron ain't the GOAT and I'll take a prime Kobe over him. However, some of you guys just can't stop whining about him and are so scared that he might actually succeed in leading us to another ring. So bizarre.
I think most of us are glad to have an asset on the squad that could lead the Lakers to a chip.. Even if we aren't big fans of that asset.
I think it's a small percentage that worship him, and a small percentage that want him to fail even with a Lakers jersey on. I'd like to think most of us don't fall within either of those camps.
It’s petty. Stack banners - that’s why you roll the ball out there in the bright lights. There’s still a franchise out there with a higher banner count than us. It’s annoying, and it must be rectified ASAP. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144474 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:35 am Post subject:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Lebron/AD is strikingly similar to Kobe/Shaq of the early 2000's. Hopefully, the result would also be similar. Here's to the first of 3 consecutive championships. Cheers.
If Lebron could get us 3 rings, I'd put him on my mount rushmore of Laker legends.
No where close to Shaq and Kobe. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
This thread should be renamed “Piss and Moan Thread 2.0”.
Not all Laker fans automatically worship LeBron. Don’t know what to tell you
The low level vitriol you spew has been utterly unmatched positively. That is obvious. I'm honestly surprised that the mods have allowed you and Datth what's his face to stomp through this thread with your nonsense for this long when it's clear as day that you guys have an agenda every single time you post in this thread. At this point I really don't get it.
It’s called an opinion. Pretty sure everyone is giving theirs, as well.
Feel free to point out the difference between the “agendas” and the opinions of the posters here. Sheesh
Every honest person knows the difference between expressing an opinion and what you do. You specifically come into this thread to dump on LeBron, regardless of what's being said. That's called having an agenda, but you knew that already. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
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He proved it 3 times with one of the best centers of all time before even turning 24. Think about that, 3 chips before 24, that is being at the right place at the right time. Then he proved it twice before turning 32 yrs old and never again. Lebron is 35. Like Kobe, his last chip came before turning 32. Nobody will diminish his career if he doesn't deliver a chip except Laker fans. Which is amazing why he signed here in the first place. To put up his reputation, and have all this pressure from Laker fans. But the fact that he's still expected to win a chip and we're still getting super stars to build around him speaks to his longevity. I think he does it, but if he doesn't, I don't view him differently. Even though I think he's better than Kobe overall, I never wanted him here in the first place, not at the expense of the youth movement. But oh well, we're here and we have a chance this year.
He has never been as good as Kobe. I watched both him and Kobe play and Kobe was just a better overall player. He could beat you in so many way and one of them was just being mentally being stronger than his opponent. I've never consider LBJ to be as mentally strong as him.
If he want to be consider better than Kobe in my eyes(he doent care what i think) hes going to have to win it all at the very least one more time if not two. i'm not taking away what he already done what I'm saying is he hasn't done enough to pass Kobe on the all time list and a lot of current and past players feel the same way I do.
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