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For the 5 I think it's entirely going to be based on health, if Boogie is even 75% of the player he was, I think he should definitely start....I think the tempo is going to slow way down from last year, so his skill in the half court game vs McGee would be significant....if we still play with with tempo at the higher end, then that probably favors McGee starting....in any case it's a good problem to have...I'm sure Davis will see some time at the 5, especially to close games, I could see something like
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| av3773 wrote: | For the 5 I think it's entirely going to be based on health, if Boogie is even 75% of the player he was, I think he should definitely start....I think the tempo is going to slow way down from last year, so his skill in the half court game vs McGee would be significant....if we still play with with tempo at the higher end, then that probably favors McGee starting....in any case it's a good problem to have...I'm sure Davis will see some time at the 5, especially to close games, I could see something like
Davis, Kuzma, LeBron, Green and Bradley |
Boogie is 75% of the player he was, look at him in GST. 16/8/3. He just didn't have the fitness or the ability to play defense. He never has been a great defender. So the question is whether he will fit in on defense. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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Interesting to see so many speculating that Cousins starts. I would prefer McGee and his defense and energy. He and Davis working off each other should be impressive. Both excel at off ball rotations to protect the paint. Drivers will be wary of getting blocked from all angles.
The activity and mobility of Davis, McGee, Green and presumably Bradley covers James a bit. On offense I like the lobs to McGee.
Cousins seems a better fit with the second unit to me. His passing and being a focal point takes the pressure off of players like Kuzma, KCP, Cook, Rondo and Dudley. Defense suffers but offensively there are some interesting options going against other benches.
Obviously overlap of rotations on a nightly basis will create some other options but as a base plan I like McGee starting and getting 20 mpg with Davis and James. |
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I would not want Boogie to start right now. The wrong move.
He needs time to still recover and throwing him in like that doesn't help him stay healthy for hopefully a long playoff run.
Let Jav run out the other team's center. Then let Boogie come in and decimate the 2nd unit center.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | For the 5 I think it's entirely going to be based on health, if Boogie is even 75% of the player he was, I think he should definitely start....I think the tempo is going to slow way down from last year, so his skill in the half court game vs McGee would be significant....if we still play with with tempo at the higher end, then that probably favors McGee starting....in any case it's a good problem to have...I'm sure Davis will see some time at the 5, especially to close games, I could see something like
Davis, Kuzma, LeBron, Green and Bradley |
Boogie is 75% of the player he was, look at him in GST. 16/8/3. He just didn't have the fitness or the ability to play defense. He never has been a great defender. So the question is whether he will fit in on defense. |
He did that in only 25mpg though. And he already looks to be in much better shape. It's a tough call to make before seeing them play, but the upside with Cousins starting is greater than Javale. I think starting Cousins would soften up the middle early in the game and set a physical tone. Not to mention his superior playmaking ability. We can still limit his minutes as a starter. Javale better for pick 'n roll coverages. It's nice to have both. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Interesting to see so many speculating that Cousins starts. I would prefer McGee and his defense and energy. He and Davis working off each other should be impressive. Both excel at off ball rotations to protect the paint. Drivers will be wary of getting blocked from all angles.
The activity and mobility of Davis, McGee, Green and presumably Bradley covers James a bit. On offense I like the lobs to McGee.
Cousins seems a better fit with the second unit to me. His passing and being a focal point takes the pressure off of players like Kuzma, KCP, Cook, Rondo and Dudley. Defense suffers but offensively there are some interesting options going against other benches.
Obviously overlap of rotations on a nightly basis will create some other options but as a base plan I like McGee starting and getting 20 mpg with Davis and James. |
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebrons-team-looks-totally-different-now-but-its-a-lot-more-like-his-finals-teams/
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| Quote: | | The wheels started coming off on Christmas Day, when James suffered the first long-term injury of his career, and as a result ended up playing only 55 of 82 games — a career-low 67 percent of his team’s total. The Lakers finished the year with the NBA’s 24th-ranked offense, thanks in large part to his absence, but the 109.6 points per 100 possessions they scored with James on the floor was only the seasonlong equivalent of the league’s 17th-best offense anyway. And when it comes to pace, the Lakers were also an outlier: They played at a blisteringly fast 103.60 possessions per game, making them the fourth-fastest team in the league, and their 104.12-possession pace with James on the floor would have ranked second. That figure was also a full five possessions per game faster than any previous James team had played when he was in the game.2 |
| Quote: | | Johnson is now gone and this offseason the Lakers appeared determined to avoid repeating his mistakes. They instead made a concerted effort to prioritize outside shooting after whiffing on Leonard. Green is a career 40 percent 3-point shooter who is coming off the single best shooting season of his career. Cook does not provide much in the way of off-the-bounce creativity and is nobody’s idea of a strong defender, but he has made 42 percent of his career triples. Daniels is almost strictly a catch-and-shoot specialist who has hit at a 40 percent rate. Dudley is a pick-and-pop and spot-up maestro who can play any frontcourt position and has made 39 percent of the threes he’s attempted across his decade-plus in the league. Cousins shot poorly last season in his return from a torn Achilles, but during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons, he connected on 36 percent of his deep attempts while taking 5.5 per game. Even Bradley is streaky, but he carries a career 36 percent conversion rate from outside. |
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It's funny how we went from last year's "we don't need shooters but playmakers" team to a team with so much shooting and less playmaking.
Would have loved just one more shot creator.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | It's funny how we went from last year's "we don't need shooters but playmakers" team to a team with so much shooting and less playmaking.
Would have loved just one more shot creator. |
Melo still out there if no buyout during the season but LeBron gonna really have to sit him down and explain his role |
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Melo still out there if no buyout during the season but LeBron gonna really have to sit him down and explain his role |
Just simply no. |
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| governator wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | It's funny how we went from last year's "we don't need shooters but playmakers" team to a team with so much shooting and less playmaking.
Would have loved just one more shot creator. |
Melo still out there if no buyout during the season but LeBron gonna really have to sit him down and explain his role |
kuz does everything a 2019-Melo could do plus much more. We don't need Melo at all.
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| Ziggy wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | For the 5 I think it's entirely going to be based on health, if Boogie is even 75% of the player he was, I think he should definitely start....I think the tempo is going to slow way down from last year, so his skill in the half court game vs McGee would be significant....if we still play with with tempo at the higher end, then that probably favors McGee starting....in any case it's a good problem to have...I'm sure Davis will see some time at the 5, especially to close games, I could see something like
Davis, Kuzma, LeBron, Green and Bradley |
Boogie is 75% of the player he was, look at him in GST. 16/8/3. He just didn't have the fitness or the ability to play defense. He never has been a great defender. So the question is whether he will fit in on defense. |
He did that in only 25mpg though. And he already looks to be in much better shape. It's a tough call to make before seeing them play, but the upside with Cousins starting is greater than Javale. I think starting Cousins would soften up the middle early in the game and set a physical tone. Not to mention his superior playmaking ability. We can still limit his minutes as a starter. Javale better for pick 'n roll coverages. It's nice to have both. |
I'd rather start with one of our best defensive lineups. I'd like if our first plays were getting AD going vs getting Cousins going. Then when Cousins comes in they'll have to adjust not only to his physicality on the ball, but his playmaking at center. It'll change the looks AD gets as well.
Not against Cousins forcing his way into the starting lineup as the season progresses. Pretty dynamic team, lot of different looks. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I would not want Boogie to start right now. The wrong move.
He needs time to still recover and throwing him in like that doesn't help him stay healthy for hopefully a long playoff run.
Let Jav run out the other team's center. Then let Boogie come in and decimate the 2nd unit center. |
For health reasons, isn't it harder on a player's body to come in the game cold, off the bench, as opposed to warmed up off the layup line? I suspect that's why he started in GS.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | It's funny how we went from last year's "we don't need shooters but playmakers" team to a team with so much shooting and less playmaking.
Would have loved just one more shot creator. |
Melo still out there if no buyout during the season but LeBron gonna really have to sit him down and explain his role |
kuz does everything a 2019-Melo could do plus much more. We don't need Melo at all. |
Plus Melo has sucked the life out of any team he's played on. I agree, I fine with
Kuzma getting those minutes.
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| Ziggy wrote: | https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebrons-team-looks-totally-different-now-but-its-a-lot-more-like-his-finals-teams/
Good read.
| Quote: | | The wheels started coming off on Christmas Day, when James suffered the first long-term injury of his career, and as a result ended up playing only 55 of 82 games — a career-low 67 percent of his team’s total. The Lakers finished the year with the NBA’s 24th-ranked offense, thanks in large part to his absence, but the 109.6 points per 100 possessions they scored with James on the floor was only the seasonlong equivalent of the league’s 17th-best offense anyway. And when it comes to pace, the Lakers were also an outlier: They played at a blisteringly fast 103.60 possessions per game, making them the fourth-fastest team in the league, and their 104.12-possession pace with James on the floor would have ranked second. That figure was also a full five possessions per game faster than any previous James team had played when he was in the game.2 |
| Quote: | | Johnson is now gone and this offseason the Lakers appeared determined to avoid repeating his mistakes. They instead made a concerted effort to prioritize outside shooting after whiffing on Leonard. Green is a career 40 percent 3-point shooter who is coming off the single best shooting season of his career. Cook does not provide much in the way of off-the-bounce creativity and is nobody’s idea of a strong defender, but he has made 42 percent of his career triples. Daniels is almost strictly a catch-and-shoot specialist who has hit at a 40 percent rate. Dudley is a pick-and-pop and spot-up maestro who can play any frontcourt position and has made 39 percent of the threes he’s attempted across his decade-plus in the league. Cousins shot poorly last season in his return from a torn Achilles, but during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons, he connected on 36 percent of his deep attempts while taking 5.5 per game. Even Bradley is streaky, but he carries a career 36 percent conversion rate from outside. |
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Relying on outrunning teams, which was the Magic, Luke, or whoever gameplan the last 2 years, was never a sustainable path to offensive success without an efficient half court offense to go with it. It's why we were so up and down, since expecting the team (especially Lebron) to have the energy to play that style for 82 games was never realistic. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Interesting to see so many speculating that Cousins starts. I would prefer McGee and his defense and energy. He and Davis working off each other should be impressive. Both excel at off ball rotations to protect the paint. Drivers will be wary of getting blocked from all angles.
The activity and mobility of Davis, McGee, Green and presumably Bradley covers James a bit. On offense I like the lobs to McGee.
Cousins seems a better fit with the second unit to me. His passing and being a focal point takes the pressure off of players like Kuzma, KCP, Cook, Rondo and Dudley. Defense suffers but offensively there are some interesting options going against other benches.
Obviously overlap of rotations on a nightly basis will create some other options but as a base plan I like McGee starting and getting 20 mpg with Davis and James. |
Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
If LeBron plays defense this season, we'll eventually have a good defensive starting unit. Initially we're going to lack the chemistry as no one's really played with each other, but we'll get it by the end of the season.
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Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
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Don't understand some people's fascination with Nerlens Noel.
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: |
Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
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Don't understand some people's fascination with Nerlens Noel. |
He plays superb defense.
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: |
Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
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Don't understand some people's fascination with Nerlens Noel. |
He plays superb defense. |
3 years late |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: |
Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
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Don't understand some people's fascination with Nerlens Noel. |
He plays superb defense. |
3 years late |
He still plays superb defense...
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: |
Wish we'd have gotten Nerlens for the Davis/Nerlens front court, but Davis/McGee will be good defensively. On offense, lobs aplenty.
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Don't understand some people's fascination with Nerlens Noel. |
He plays superb defense. |
3 years late |
He still plays superb defense... |
Lol no |
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I would have preferred Cauley Stein over Noel or Cousins.
I would even prefer they had locked him up for 3/4 years in fact. Only 26 and would have provided a solid rotation with McGee for the next couple. |
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The thing about Cousins through is that he can hit the 3 (ignoring last year) and doing his time with Davis he was around 36-37%.
And he can dribble and bring the ball up.
Mcgee can't do any of these well. Especially if you want to spread the floor, Mcgee might make it difficult. With Cousins people have to respect his outside shot so he won't occupy the same space as Davis. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | I would have preferred Cauley Stein over Noel or Cousins.
I would even prefer they had locked him up for 3/4 years in fact. Only 26 and would have provided a solid rotation with McGee for the next couple. |
I think he’s below par offensively, worse than McGee there. Meh finisher if it’s not a dunk, misses a lot of bunnies, which is frustrating to watch/play with |
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| lar9149 wrote: | The thing about Cousins through is that he can hit the 3 (ignoring last year) and doing his time with Davis he was around 36-37%.
And he can dribble and bring the ball up.
Mcgee can't do any of these well. Especially if you want to spread the floor, Mcgee might make it difficult. With Cousins people have to respect his outside shot so he won't occupy the same space as Davis. |
Cousins passing is the gamebreaker; at least the trustworthy one, as his 3ball isnt, post achilles |
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