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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:26 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | KD, Kawhi, and Giannis are better than Bron now imo. Arguments can be made for a few other guys too. He's still Top 10 at least. Maybe somewhere between 4th and 7th best. |
Steph Curry continues to be underrated |
Steph's up there, but perhaps you have him rated higher than I do. Do you think he's better than KD, Kawhi, or Giannis? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I would have Steph right after those players. Top 6. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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lonzobryant Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Steph's been the best player in the league to for quite some time imo It's his gravity. Guys like Kawhi, Giannis, KD and LeBron are definitely more talented but Steph is a cheat code. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I would tend to agree with VLF's ranking of Steph more than lonzobryant's, then. He's great, but I don't think he's ever been the best player in the league. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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lonzobryant Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:41 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | I would tend to agree with VLF's ranking of Steph more than lonzobryant's, then. He's great, but I don't think he's ever been the best player in the league. |
He clearly was in his back to back MVP seasons imo |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:44 am Post subject: |
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lonzobryant wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | I would tend to agree with VLF's ranking of Steph more than lonzobryant's, then. He's great, but I don't think he's ever been the best player in the league. |
He clearly was in his back to back MVP seasons imo |
Bron was still #1 during those seasons imo. All good. We'll agree to disagree. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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Kobesystem Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: |
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FYI, Lebron turns 35 in December.....
No shame not being the best player or top 5 when your that old...
You could argue between the 4 forwards (KD, PG13, Leonard, Giannias)
Than you have your combo guards (Dame, Harden, Steph and Irving)
Lastly, your Bigs(Jokic, Embiid, and AD) |
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ReaListik Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | FYI, Lebron turns 35 in December.....
No shame not being the best player or top 5 when your that old...
You could argue between the 4 forwards (KD, PG13, Leonard, Giannias)
Than you have your combo guards (Dame, Harden, Steph and Irving)
Lastly, your Bigs(Jokic, Embiid, and AD) |
People forget how good LeBron is because he’s not in the playoffs. Next year the discussion will go back to being Durant vs LeBron for best player. _________________ "We are the goodest." - Shaq ESPN interview |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:08 am Post subject: |
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ReaListik wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | FYI, Lebron turns 35 in December.....
No shame not being the best player or top 5 when your that old...
You could argue between the 4 forwards (KD, PG13, Leonard, Giannias)
Than you have your combo guards (Dame, Harden, Steph and Irving)
Lastly, your Bigs(Jokic, Embiid, and AD) |
People forget how good LeBron is because he’s not in the playoffs. Next year the discussion will go back to being Durant vs LeBron for best player. |
That is extremely doubtful. It will probably be the same as now, Giannis, Kawhi or KD. I mentioned it in another thread where someone said that Iggy is getting too old, he is the same age that Lebron will be next season. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Brawn13 Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Time is not on Lebrons side...but IF we actually put competent shooters around him (and hopefully we make it happen this off-season somehow) you guys will see how easily he can carve up defenses.
The front office did everything possible to make life hard for Lebron on offense this year and he still put up an efficient 27/8/7 in lowest minutes per game in his career.
His last year on the Cavs I think his only teammate that shot 40% from 3 throughout the whole year was Korver. JR Smith was bad for his standards (~33% I think) George Hills spot up shooting he declined from what it used to be, Rodney Hood while a serviceable mid-range shooter he isn’t a good 3 point shooter, Clarkson...lol. Love is good for a big (41% in regular season but really drops off hard in the playoffs...only 34%) but he made life for Lebron easier to get into the paint...which is what Brook Lopez would have done this year for Lebron as he shot 37% from 3 smh
If we can get good spacing around him...IMO he’s still better at driving in and finding the open man than Harden or Giannis |
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ReaListik Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | FYI, Lebron turns 35 in December.....
No shame not being the best player or top 5 when your that old...
You could argue between the 4 forwards (KD, PG13, Leonard, Giannias)
Than you have your combo guards (Dame, Harden, Steph and Irving)
Lastly, your Bigs(Jokic, Embiid, and AD) |
People forget how good LeBron is because he’s not in the playoffs. Next year the discussion will go back to being Durant vs LeBron for best player. |
That is extremely doubtful. It will probably be the same as now, Giannis, Kawhi or KD. I mentioned it in another thread where someone said that Iggy is getting too old, he is the same age that Lebron will be next season. |
Iguodala and LeBron are two different athletes and are nothing alike. LeBron pre-injury was never excluded from the best player discussion. If he was in the playoffs right now, much like every year prior that he’s been in the playoffs , he would be doing what he’s always done which is continue to make sure people know that he’s the best in the world. _________________ "We are the goodest." - Shaq ESPN interview |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: |
Way to go, Bron! |
IF it works or not, no one can seriously say he did not try. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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mj32 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | KD, Kawhi, and Giannis are better than Bron now imo. Arguments can be made for a few other guys too. He's still Top 10 at least. Maybe somewhere between 4th and 7th best. |
Until Kawhi can make his teammates better and Giannis learns to shoot a jumpshot, I will take Lebron. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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As much as I like Lebron I wish we could trade him for the 1st overall pick. Everybody happy, he gets to compete for a chip, NO gets Lebron, and they get to play together like they want.
Sign KL. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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mj32 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | KD, Kawhi, and Giannis are better than Bron now imo. Arguments can be made for a few other guys too. He's still Top 10 at least. Maybe somewhere between 4th and 7th best. |
Until Kawhi can make his teammates better and Giannis learns to shoot a jumpshot, I will take Lebron. |
I get it but he will still be 35 this year. You are crazy for taking Lebron over those players in their primes. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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deal wrote: | epak wrote: |
Way to go, Bron! |
IF it works or not, no one can seriously say he did not try. |
Yep.
He came to win. And I think he will... |
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King Randle Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:41 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | deal wrote: | epak wrote: |
Way to go, Bron! |
IF it works or not, no one can seriously say he did not try. |
Yep.
He came to win. And I think he will... |
Agreed. He's the only chance we really have. The jury is still out on Pelinka, the FO and what Vogel and Kidd can do. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:49 am Post subject: |
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mj32 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | KD, Kawhi, and Giannis are better than Bron now imo. Arguments can be made for a few other guys too. He's still Top 10 at least. Maybe somewhere between 4th and 7th best. |
Until Kawhi can make his teammates better and Giannis learns to shoot a jumpshot, I will take Lebron. |
I must have missed it, who did Lebron make better? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:51 am Post subject: |
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ReaListik wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | FYI, Lebron turns 35 in December.....
No shame not being the best player or top 5 when your that old...
You could argue between the 4 forwards (KD, PG13, Leonard, Giannias)
Than you have your combo guards (Dame, Harden, Steph and Irving)
Lastly, your Bigs(Jokic, Embiid, and AD) |
People forget how good LeBron is because he’s not in the playoffs. Next year the discussion will go back to being Durant vs LeBron for best player. |
That is extremely doubtful. It will probably be the same as now, Giannis, Kawhi or KD. I mentioned it in another thread where someone said that Iggy is getting too old, he is the same age that Lebron will be next season. |
Iguodala and LeBron are two different athletes and are nothing alike. LeBron pre-injury was never excluded from the best player discussion. If he was in the playoffs right now, much like every year prior that he’s been in the playoffs , he would be doing what he’s always done which is continue to make sure people know that he’s the best in the world. |
But Lebron was injured and wasn’t in the playoffs. So no playing the “if” game. Age doesn’t make one more injury prone, it means more recovery time from even minor injuries. Lebron is not the best in the world. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LAL1947 Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:03 am Post subject: |
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ReaListik wrote: | If he was in the playoffs right now, much like every year prior that he’s been in the playoffs , he would be doing what he’s always done which is continue to make sure people know that he’s the best in the world. |
I've got to agree with VLF... that's a big if... he's not in the playoffs... and he'll be a year older next season.
If the queen had balls, she'd be king. Father Time catches up with everyone. |
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UKUGA Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 7:09 am Post subject: |
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24Legend007 wrote: | As much as I like Lebron I wish we could trade him for the 1st overall pick. Everybody happy, he gets to compete for a chip, NO gets Lebron, and they get to play together like they want.
Sign KL. |
It might be the only way to get Lebron & AD together. |
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PDX_LAKERFAN Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 7:15 am Post subject: |
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UKUGA wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | As much as I like Lebron I wish we could trade him for the 1st overall pick. Everybody happy, he gets to compete for a chip, NO gets Lebron, and they get to play together like they want.
Sign KL. |
It might be the only way to get Lebron & AD together. |
Lebron + 4th pick for their 1st pick + fillers?
Pelicans gets to keep AD while adding a significant chance to win now.
Lakers get to continue their rebuild with potentially a mega-star with a huge draw - plenty of cap space flexibility and maybe Kwahi comes as the main man to help us moving forward.
Of course I would not do this unless Lebron would be sold on the idea, don't need anymore bad press. |
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YSong Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: |
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LeBron for Dell Demps |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: |
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YSong wrote: | LeBron for Dell Demps |
So Demps was the ahole that was leaking the AD trade offerings. |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Lebron is being vastly underrated by a number of folks on this board.....in addition to injury he needed to do more with far less than most of the other folks have been mentioning...Giannis....maybe had a similar level of talent...and that's a maybe, everyone else was playing with an all star or multiple all stars....I still have LeBron top 5...and I don't see that changing next year assuming health
#4 and LeBron for #1 pick forget that |
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