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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:30 pm    Post subject:

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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.


Why don’t we let the season play out first before getting all existential like this?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject:

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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.


Why don’t we let the season play out first before getting all existential like this?


yeah, they gamble on AD instead of gambling on Lonzo/BI and the rest of the traded young guys, all for a better chance at championship. Can't hate that
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:03 pm    Post subject:

I have said in the past that Luke/staff wasn't properly developing Zo. Looks like Gentry and the Pels staff better understands how to develop Zo. Would have been nice to have Zo with a real Lakers coach.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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MJST wrote:
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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.


Why don’t we let the season play out first before getting all existential like this?


yeah, they gamble on AD instead of gambling on Lonzo/BI and the rest of the traded young guys, all for a better chance at championship. Can't hate that
Even if the team's talent is as high quality as some project it to be, the chance to win is short term, at best. Otoh, multiple players who are still improving, paired with Lebron and AD next year, would guarantee repeated rings in my mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:08 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
MJST wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.


Why don’t we let the season play out first before getting all existential like this?


yeah, they gamble on AD instead of gambling on Lonzo/BI and the rest of the traded young guys, all for a better chance at championship. Can't hate that
Even if the team's talent is as high quality as some project it to be, the chance to win is short term, at best. Otoh, multiple players who are still improving, paired with Lebron and AD next year, would guarantee repeated rings in my mind.


a bird at hand is worth more than 2 birds on the field (i think that's how it goes), what makes anybody think that if the Lakers had balked at NO demands that NO wouldn't have traded AD to Boston for the next best package, then we're looking at LeBron with youths vs LeBron with AD... aka back to gambling on AD vs gambling on the youths
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:59 am    Post subject:

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a bird at hand is worth more than 2 birds on the field (i think that's how it goes),


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:40 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
MJST wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.


Why don’t we let the season play out first before getting all existential like this?


Yeah, the team finally has some realistic playoff expectations again. The young players they let go are associated with some of the worst Lakers seasons of all time. Even if one or more of those guys becomes a great player, I think it's hard to argue with the Lakers current direction.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject:

hes still passive around the rim

his free throws have improved a lot though
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:32 am    Post subject:

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I have said in the past that Luke/staff wasn't properly developing Zo. Looks like Gentry and the Pels staff better understands how to develop Zo. Would have been nice to have Zo with a real Lakers coach.


In defense of the Lakers staff, New Orleans doesn't have the Lavar Ball blockade to deal with either. Lonzo in the last several months seems to have manned up to his attention-sloring daddy and has created some space.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject:

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I have said in the past that Luke/staff wasn't properly developing Zo. Looks like Gentry and the Pels staff better understands how to develop Zo. Would have been nice to have Zo with a real Lakers coach.


In defense of the Lakers staff, New Orleans doesn't have the Lavar Ball blockade to deal with either.


That has nothing to do with developing a player. Stop blaming his father for their mistakes.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject:

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I have said in the past that Luke/staff wasn't properly developing Zo. Looks like Gentry and the Pels staff better understands how to develop Zo. Would have been nice to have Zo with a real Lakers coach.


In defense of the Lakers staff, New Orleans doesn't have the Lavar Ball blockade to deal with either.


That has nothing to do with developing a player. Stop blaming his father for their mistakes.


How much of his mental energy was geared towards BBB at the behest of his father?

Did he have to wear BBBs even though they were an inferior product and according to Lonzo, blowing up on him by every half? His father has nothing to do with that?

Yes, Lakers seem to be terrible at developing players. But his father didn't exactly help foster that either. He was running a startup business and Lonzo got caught up in that. Otherwise he's signed by Nike, wearing their clearly technologically superior products and maybe not getting injured as much?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject:

Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.
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Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.


Alternatively, we received an all NBA level player who is 26 in exchange for some very good assets in Lonzo/BI/Hart/draft picks.

Lakers really haven't shown an affinity for developing young players long term in the years post Dr. Buss. Last one I can think of that reached All Star level was Bynum?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:20 pm    Post subject:

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Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.


Or just draft the dude and redshirt his rookie year and develop him how you want, instead of having more developed guys going to lottery teams...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:41 pm    Post subject:

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Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.


Alternatively, we received an all NBA level player who is 26 in exchange for some very good assets in Lonzo/BI/Hart/draft picks.

Lakers really haven't shown an affinity for developing young players long term in the years post Dr. Buss. Last one I can think of that reached All Star level was Bynum?


They’ve also sucked mightily post Dr. Buss.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject:

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Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.


Or just draft the dude and redshirt his rookie year and develop him how you want, instead of having more developed guys going to lottery teams...


I am a huge fan of redshirting a player’s rookie year.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject:

I know it's still only Preseason, but is Zo injured yet?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject:

Zo has been good in the preseason. The Pelicans will be fun to watch. I’m rooting for him; he’s the kid I wish the Lakers could have kept.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Wait, a young player grew up and matured over the course of 2-3 years? Isn’t that the formula? That is why I would like to see the draft age the same as the NFL, 3 years after your high school senior year. As it is, we suffered through the growing pains and NO gets to realize the benefits.


Or just draft the dude and redshirt his rookie year and develop him how you want, instead of having more developed guys going to lottery teams...


I am a huge fan of redshirting a player’s rookie year.

Or maybe the G-League should become a true minor league (as in baseball), that teams can use to develop, promote, and demote players as needed. I'd argue that the SB Lakers management and player development has been pretty good, even as the parent team has struggled at the same things.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject:

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Zo has been good in the preseason. The Pelicans will be fun to watch. I’m rooting for him; he’s the kid I wish the Lakers could have kept.


So far Zo is avg 9/6/4 in 23 mins. But his shooting is yuck 32% and 30%.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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Zo has been good in the preseason. The Pelicans will be fun to watch. I’m rooting for him; he’s the kid I wish the Lakers could have kept.


So far Zo is avg 9/6/4 in 23 mins. But his shooting is yuck 32% and 30%.

What's his TS%?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject:

He's going to get traded at the deadline. Doesn't fit with the Pelicans and they have much better talent at the guard position.

Barely even brings the ball up either.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:37 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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mhan00 wrote:
Zo has been good in the preseason. The Pelicans will be fun to watch. I’m rooting for him; he’s the kid I wish the Lakers could have kept.


So far Zo is avg 9/6/4 in 23 mins. But his shooting is yuck 32% and 30%.

What's his TS%?


50.3%
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject:

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I know it's still only Preseason, but is Zo injured yet?


No, He only wears BBB shoes on the Lakers' dime.
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