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PETER DOOCY (Fox News): Mr President, what did you talk to Vladimir Putin about?
PRESIDENT BIDEN: You. He sends his best. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | President Biden's presser was very uplifting. I can't express the joy I feel knowing we have an adult in the Oval Office.
McConnell backed down on his fight over the filibuster. Ol' Pollyanna jodeke is holding on to the hope of a productive honeymoon. We have the means, we should use them while they're in place. Stop with the "mister nice guy." We have a battering ram, let's kick the door down. |
Bear in mind Mitch backed down primarily due to two Dem senators assuring him they won't vote to kill it, so that will bear watching... |
Do we have enough aye's to defeat Mitch's expectation even if the 2 vote to not kill the filibuster? If so they may have given those assurances to have Mitch step back. |
We have 50 of 100 votes (which allows the VP to break a tie) we can't have a single no. |
Thanks for the 50 50 memory jog. If it comes to a vote we win. I'd bet the condo the VP will vote in favor of Dems. In essence, we have enough votes |
I don't think that is right. VP only votes if there is a 50 50 tie. If Manchin and the other vote no then it's not 50 50, it's 52 48 against. If even just one of them vote no, it is 51 49 and Dems will lose (unless some R's vote yes).
In other words, cannot lose any Dem votes. Have to hold all and if it comes down to 50 50 along strict party lines, then Harris breaks the vote for the D's. |
Right. I didn't consider there wouldn't be a tie if 2 Dems voted with Republicans. Like I say all the time I'm slow on the uptake but usually get there. |
It's actually worse than that. If Schumer tries to advance a bill to the floor and any Senator from either side objects (filibusters), then you have to go to the 60-vote threshold to overcome the filibuster in order to even proceed to a vote on the actual bill. That is why the Democrats are threatening to "do away" with the filibuster and why McConnell was trying to exact a pledge from Schumer that he wouldn't do it. Two Democratic Senators (Manchin and Sinema) have publicly said they would *not* vote to end the filibuster. So it remains to be seen how much legislation Schumer can actually get to the floor for a vote.
On budgetary matters (like a COVID relief package), Schumer can get around a vote in the Senate by something called budget reconciliation. He can take the budget that already exists and use it for Biden's specific proposals for COVID relief, etc.
On neutral type items like an infrastructure bill, they may get enough Republicans to go along so that it comes to a vote.
But on something like the Voting Rights Acts, it is very hard to see how you overcome the 60-vote threshold. Republicans like to suppress voting, not expand it.
On judges, McConnell already nuked the filibuster for judges only, so Democrats can install judges by a simple majority (51 instead of 60).
So on controversial items where the Democrats and Republicans are far apart, the only way to push something through is to try to get rid of the filibuster -- and that would entail Schumer putting pressure on Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema to retract their public stance and go along with getting rid of the filibuster. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | President Biden's presser was very uplifting. I can't express the joy I feel knowing we have an adult in the Oval Office.
McConnell backed down on his fight over the filibuster. Ol' Pollyanna jodeke is holding on to the hope of a productive honeymoon. We have the means, we should use them while they're in place. Stop with the "mister nice guy." We have a battering ram, let's kick the door down. |
Bear in mind Mitch backed down primarily due to two Dem senators assuring him they won't vote to kill it, so that will bear watching... |
Do we have enough aye's to defeat Mitch's expectation even if the 2 vote to not kill the filibuster? If so they may have given those assurances to have Mitch step back. |
We have 50 of 100 votes (which allows the VP to break a tie) we can't have a single no. |
Thanks for the 50 50 memory jog. If it comes to a vote we win. I'd bet the condo the VP will vote in favor of Dems. In essence, we have enough votes |
I don't think that is right. VP only votes if there is a 50 50 tie. If Manchin and the other vote no then it's not 50 50, it's 52 48 against. If even just one of them vote no, it is 51 49 and Dems will lose (unless some R's vote yes).
In other words, cannot lose any Dem votes. Have to hold all and if it comes down to 50 50 along strict party lines, then Harris breaks the vote for the D's. |
Right. I didn't consider there wouldn't be a tie if 2 Dems voted with Republicans. Like I say all the time I'm slow on the uptake but usually get there. |
It's actually worse than that. If Schumer tries to advance a bill to the floor and any Senator from either side objects (filibusters), then you have to go to the 60-vote threshold to overcome the filibuster in order to even proceed to a vote on the actual bill. That is why the Democrats are threatening to "do away" with the filibuster and why McConnell was trying to exact a pledge from Schumer that he wouldn't do it. Two Democratic Senators (Manchin and Sinema) have publicly said they would *not* vote to end the filibuster. So it remains to be seen how much legislation Schumer can actually get to the floor for a vote.
On budgetary matters (like a COVID relief package), Schumer can get around a vote in the Senate by something called budget reconciliation. He can take the budget that already exists and use it for Biden's specific proposals for COVID relief, etc.
On neutral type items like an infrastructure bill, they may get enough Republicans to go along so that it comes to a vote.
But on something like the Voting Rights Acts, it is very hard to see how you overcome the 60-vote threshold. Republicans like to suppress voting, not expand it.
On judges, McConnell already nuked the filibuster for judges only, so Democrats can install judges by a simple majority (51 instead of 60).
So on controversial items where the Democrats and Republicans are far apart, the only way to push something through is to try to get rid of the filibuster -- and that would entail Schumer putting pressure on Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema to retract their public stance and go along with getting rid of the filibuster. |
Same-o, Same-o. Republicans stand united, Democrats splinter. Let's see if history is studied and lessons have been learned.
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The Senate has rejected Republican Rand Paul's attempt to declare that Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional. 55-45. @MSNBC |
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All but 5 Republican senators voted today to dismiss impeachment charge as unconstitutional, showing Trump's continued hold over GOP and the need for the vote on his conviction to be secret. |
That means 45 Republican Senators don't even think Trump should have a trial for what he did.
So don't count on them for ANY legislative help. They are all anti-Democratic traitors who don't give a damn about the rule-of-law or the Constitution, much less the welfare of the American people. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Quote: | Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
The Senate has rejected Republican Rand Paul's attempt to declare that Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional. 55-45. @MSNBC |
| Quote: | Robert Reich @RBReich
All but 5 Republican senators voted today to dismiss impeachment charge as unconstitutional, showing Trump's continued hold over GOP and the need for the vote on his conviction to be secret. |
That means 45 Republican Senators don't even think Trump should have a trial for what he did.
So don't count on them for ANY legislative help. They are all anti-Democratic traitors who don't give a damn about the rule-of-law or the Constitution, much less the welfare of the American people. |
So McConnell voted with the R |
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| governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Quote: | Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
The Senate has rejected Republican Rand Paul's attempt to declare that Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional. 55-45. @MSNBC |
| Quote: | Robert Reich @RBReich
All but 5 Republican senators voted today to dismiss impeachment charge as unconstitutional, showing Trump's continued hold over GOP and the need for the vote on his conviction to be secret. |
That means 45 Republican Senators don't even think Trump should have a trial for what he did.
So don't count on them for ANY legislative help. They are all anti-Democratic traitors who don't give a damn about the rule-of-law or the Constitution, much less the welfare of the American people. |
So McConnell voted with the R |
Yup. So much for thinking he'd vote to convict. |
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McConnell before January 20th: We should delay the trial until after the Inauguration.
McConnell now: We shouldn't have a trial because it's too late and Trump is no longer president. |
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| Quote: | Manu Raju @mkraju
Josh Hawley in this Congress has voted against all the Biden nominees and against the waiver for Lloyd Austin to serve as defense secretary. His lone two 'yes' votes so far have been to throw out the electoral results of Arizona and Pennsylvania. |
Obviously a big fan of cooperation. 
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| SweetP wrote: | | Quote: | Manu Raju @mkraju
Josh Hawley in this Congress has voted against all the Biden nominees and against the waiver for Lloyd Austin to serve as defense secretary. His lone two 'yes' votes so far have been to throw out the electoral results of Arizona and Pennsylvania. |
Obviously a big fan of cooperation. |
He thinks he's going to take over the Trump cult so he can run in 2024. |
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Most Republican Senators Reject Constitutionality of Trump Impeachment
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| Quote: | In the 55-45 vote Tuesday to table, or kill, a procedural motion declaring the trial unconstitutional, five Republicans voted to table the motion, siding with all Democrats that the trial should proceed. The five were Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
Forty-five Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted to support the assertion of Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) that the impeachment trial of a now-private citizen violates the Constitution and therefore is not in order. |
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| Quote: | Elie Honig @eliehonig
Let me get this logic, according to Senators who claim you can’t try an ex-president:
If you succeed in stealing an election and holding onto power, then you can be impeached.
But if you try and fail, then you’re in the clear. |
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| jodeke wrote: | Most Republican Senators Reject Constitutionality of Trump Impeachment
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| Quote: | In the 55-45 vote Tuesday to table, or kill, a procedural motion declaring the trial unconstitutional, five Republicans voted to table the motion, siding with all Democrats that the trial should proceed. The five were Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
Forty-five Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted to support the assertion of Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) that the impeachment trial of a now-private citizen violates the Constitution and therefore is not in order. |
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You know what this means, right? Republicans DID NOT TURN ON TRUMP. They are still protecting him. |
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| Senator Leahy has just been hospitalized. Of course, he is to preside over the impeachment trial. He was examined by the attending physician at the Capitol and it was recommended that he be taken to the hospital. Not a lot of information other than that. Leahy is 80. Hopefully it's nothing too serious. |
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| Looks like to the surprise of no one, Kayleigh McEnany is going to end up on Fox News. Oh to be young, blonde and without any morals, ethics or empathy; the amount of money I could make off Republican rubes. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Most Republican Senators Reject Constitutionality of Trump Impeachment
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| Quote: | In the 55-45 vote Tuesday to table, or kill, a procedural motion declaring the trial unconstitutional, five Republicans voted to table the motion, siding with all Democrats that the trial should proceed. The five were Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
Forty-five Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted to support the assertion of Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) that the impeachment trial of a now-private citizen violates the Constitution and therefore is not in order. |
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You know what this means, right? Republicans DID NOT TURN ON TRUMP. They are still protecting him. |
Nope . . . though it's more accurate to say that it is less about protecting Trump than it is about protecting their political careers from his Klanish Kult Kooks.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Most Republican Senators Reject Constitutionality of Trump Impeachment
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| Quote: | In the 55-45 vote Tuesday to table, or kill, a procedural motion declaring the trial unconstitutional, five Republicans voted to table the motion, siding with all Democrats that the trial should proceed. The five were Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
Forty-five Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted to support the assertion of Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) that the impeachment trial of a now-private citizen violates the Constitution and therefore is not in order. |
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You know what this means, right? Republicans DID NOT TURN ON TRUMP. They are still protecting him. |
Nope . . . though it's more accurate to say that it is less about protecting Trump than it is about protecting their political careers from his Klanish Kult Kooks. |
In essence, they didn't turn on Trump but this is closer to the truth. Though he sided with Rand Paul I think Mitch really wants Trump gone by way of conviction. That would purge Trump from the party. He wouldn't be able to run for office again. Trump's lost his twitter bull horn. If the media shuns him his voice will be almost silent.
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Kaine, Collins pitch Senate colleagues on censuring Trump
What do you think? If impeachment fails, have a vote on censure of Trump and maybe follow up with vote to keep him from ever holding public office if that is possible. I think impeachment needs to happen even if just to get everything in the public record of the Senate, so not in place of but after.
But they would need 60 votes from R's to get it on the floor so some D's are asking for public acknowledgement from at least 10 R's that they will support it.
Can Pelosi do a censure in the house also?
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Oregon GOP issues a formal condemnation of the 10 GOP house members who voted to impeach Trump. Look at the absolute nutbag, (bleep) insane stuff they released
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/oregon-republican-party-censure-donald-trump/index.html
Also today, Trump officially launched the “Office of the Former President” to “carry on the agenda of the Trump Administration.”
This guy isn’t going anywhere, and the traitor Republicans obviously aren’t going to do anything about it. Regardless of their “thoughts in private” they are once again going to fall all over themselves to grovel at Trump’s feet. He’s either going to run in 2024, dictate who does run, or split the party. The Republicans deserve everything that’s coming to them. Unfortunately the rest of the country who doesn’t support this traitorous gasbag and his band of enablers doesn’t deserve it. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Most Republican Senators Reject Constitutionality of Trump Impeachment
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| Quote: | In the 55-45 vote Tuesday to table, or kill, a procedural motion declaring the trial unconstitutional, five Republicans voted to table the motion, siding with all Democrats that the trial should proceed. The five were Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
Forty-five Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted to support the assertion of Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) that the impeachment trial of a now-private citizen violates the Constitution and therefore is not in order. |
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You know what this means, right? Republicans DID NOT TURN ON TRUMP. They are still protecting him. |
Nope . . . though it's more accurate to say that it is less about protecting Trump than it is about protecting their political careers from his Klanish Kult Kooks. |
In essence, they didn't turn on Trump but this is closer to the truth. Though he sided with Rand Paul I think Mitch really wants Trump gone by way of conviction. That would purge Trump from the party. He wouldn't be able to run for office again. Trump's lost his twitter bull horn. If the media shuns him his voice will be almost silent. |
Unfortunately you only seem to have two types of republicans in most seats: those who enable the trump base out of fear and/or cynical benefit, and those who are that base.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Quote: | Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
The Senate has rejected Republican Rand Paul's attempt to declare that Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional. 55-45. @MSNBC |
| Quote: | Robert Reich @RBReich
All but 5 Republican senators voted today to dismiss impeachment charge as unconstitutional, showing Trump's continued hold over GOP and the need for the vote on his conviction to be secret. |
That means 45 Republican Senators don't even think Trump should have a trial for what he did.
So don't count on them for ANY legislative help. They are all anti-Democratic traitors who don't give a damn about the rule-of-law or the Constitution, much less the welfare of the American people. |
I heard someone say they were afraid Trump would try to create his own Bull Moose 3rd party, but that's giving them too much credit. They don't have a rational fear, they simply voted on what they believe.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | McConnell before January 20th: We should delay the trial until after the Inauguration.
McConnell now: We shouldn't have a trial because it's too late and Trump is no longer president. |
He is one of the most vile human beings I've ever seen, and only part of that is looks-based. Gag.
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News: Sen. Tom Carper introduces the Washington, D.C. Admission Act to make DC the 51st state. |
Damn. The McConnell GOP has radicalized Tom Carper. Tom Carper makes Chris Coons look like Bernie Sanders.
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| Was going to say, if McConnell is going to regress back to his mean, there's plenty the D's can pull out -- DC statehood, Puerto Rico statehood, backing the SCOTUS, etc. |
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It's actually worse than that. If Schumer tries to advance a bill to the floor and any Senator from either side objects (filibusters), then you have to go to the 60-vote threshold to overcome the filibuster in order to even proceed to a vote on the actual bill. That is why the Democrats are threatening to "do away" with the filibuster and why McConnell was trying to exact a pledge from Schumer that he wouldn't do it. Two Democratic Senators (Manchin and Sinema) have publicly said they would *not* vote to end the filibuster. So it remains to be seen how much legislation Schumer can actually get to the floor for a vote.
On budgetary matters (like a COVID relief package), Schumer can get around a vote in the Senate by something called budget reconciliation. He can take the budget that already exists and use it for Biden's specific proposals for COVID relief, etc.
On neutral type items like an infrastructure bill, they may get enough Republicans to go along so that it comes to a vote.
But on something like the Voting Rights Acts, it is very hard to see how you overcome the 60-vote threshold. Republicans like to suppress voting, not expand it.
On judges, McConnell already nuked the filibuster for judges only, so Democrats can install judges by a simple majority (51 instead of 60).
So on controversial items where the Democrats and Republicans are far apart, the only way to push something through is to try to get rid of the filibuster -- and that would entail Schumer putting pressure on Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema to retract their public stance and go along with getting rid of the filibuster. |
Nice summary. Now if you had pulled a Rachel and asked if you got it all right, I would answer, that it was Harry Reid who nuked the filibuster for all judges and McConnell who nuked it further for SCOTUS judges.
Relating to all of this, for the political geeks who enjoy getting a bit into the weeds, here is a nice summary and history of the filibuster, with a proposal to return to the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington pre 1975 speaking version of the filibuster:
Make the Filibuster Difficult Again by By Burt Neuborne and Erwin Chemerinsky
Also since we're in the weeds already from Wiki,
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