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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:35 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
same question I posed before: is a vote for klobuchar a waste at this point? seems to me like voting for anyone other than biden or bernie is likely a waste


Frankly, it doesn't matter whether it's Biden, Bloomberg, or Klobuchar on your ballot. None of them can get near the majority needed to make one a good vote and the other a waste. It's just a different flavor of brokered convention you're voting for.

Vote Bernie, anyway. That scenario is nothing to root vote.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:37 am    Post subject:

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same question I posed before: is a vote for klobuchar a waste at this point? seems to me like voting for anyone other than biden or bernie is likely a waste

One of Biden/Pete/Amy and even Bloomberg need to emerge as the 2nd frontrunner before super tuesday


Which has a near zero chance of happening.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:02 am    Post subject:

Bernie has something like 1.6% of the delegates he needs to win the nomination.

Vote for whomever you want. It's still early.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:26 am    Post subject:

I like Steyer kneecapping Biden in SC to try and woo Bernie from raising his taxes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:28 am    Post subject:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:31 am    Post subject:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/msnbc-nevada-caucus-report-too-early-to-call-but-sanders-holds-significant-lead/

"Too early to call!"...an hour after Fox calls it. Are they even trying to be news anymore?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:37 am    Post subject:

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Bernie should name Ivanka Trump as his VP, thus ensuring the white working class vote.


First time I've seen "Ivanka" and "working" in the same sentence.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:37 am    Post subject:

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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:39 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Bernie should name Ivanka Trump as his VP, thus ensuring the white working class vote.


First time I've seen "Ivanka" and "working" in the same sentence.


Ever heard the euphemism "working girl"?

How do you think she got with Trump in the first place?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:39 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.

But I do like that "The Establishment" is not some Russian agitprop boogeyman anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:47 am    Post subject:

Quote:
average for each Democratic candidate in 2020 primary polls

Sanders 26.5%
Biden 16.1%
Bloomberg 16.0%
Warren 12.9%
Buttigieg 10.4%
Klobuchar 5.5%
Steyer 2.3%
Gabbard 1.3%


https://tinyurl.com/whv4v8r

Biden, Bloomberg, and Pete are in each other's way.
They can try to attack Bernie in the next debate. But I doubt it changes things. His voters are rock solid. All these center left candidates are dividing the center left voters too thin.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:51 am    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.


Where do you think I copied the quote from?

It doesn't matter who said it, it still exemplifies and perpetuates the infantile attitude of much of the Bernie tribe.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:57 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.


Where do you think I copied the quote from?

It doesn't matter who said it, it still exemplifies and perpetuates the infantile attitude of much of the Bernie tribe.


So the Bernie bros are now responsible for every dumb word that comes out of Chuck Todd's mouth... my god.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject:

Bernie's tent getting bigger, leading latino in polls nationwide, leading AA in polls nationwide and now Chuck Todd
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.


Where do you think I copied the quote from?

It doesn't matter who said it, it still exemplifies and perpetuates the infantile attitude of much of the Bernie tribe.


So the Bernie bros are now responsible for every dumb word that comes out of Chuck Todd's mouth... my god.


Once again, you miss the point entirely. It's not who is "responsible".

Also, if you don't agree with the message, then why (as a Bernie supporter) would you post it and thus promote it.

See the point? It doesn't matter who said it. The message and intent is the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:05 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.


Where do you think I copied the quote from?

It doesn't matter who said it, it still exemplifies and perpetuates the infantile attitude of much of the Bernie tribe.


So the Bernie bros are now responsible for every dumb word that comes out of Chuck Todd's mouth... my god.


Once again, you miss the point entirely. It's not who is "responsible".


No, just who you think you should be allowed to demean and smear. It's really pathetic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:15 pm    Post subject:

I have tried to avoid the unbelievably fatiguing infighting Bernie debate. I am a Never-Trumper, or better stated, a Never-Republican'er.

As such, we, the collective we who see Trump as a virus, need to get our (bleep) together and come together. I won't get my first choice* nor my second, nor my third or fourth, it seems. I will get over this. I wish others could get to this place. We need to put egos, that think our choice is the only good choice, aside, and unite on a candidate soon. We want to avoid a brokered convention--I do anyway. A brokered convention could very well likely create more discord and Trump wins as a result.

If it is Bernie, so be it. We will just have to pray (or whatever it is one may do) that the progressives are right that a progressive candidate will do better than a more moderate one.

*(If I could be god, or Trump as it were, and just put someone in the White House, it would be Liz without hesitation)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject:

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No, just who you think you should be allowed to demean and smear. It's really pathetic.


See the edited post. Perhaps you will understand (or continue to insist on being obtuse)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:23 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-todd-on-nh-winner-and-national-poll-leader-bernie-sanders-i-dont-understand-how-hes-considered-a-frontrunner/

When even Ron Burgundy can now figure it out...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-may-have-crushed-the-hopes-of-a-democratic-establishment-desperate-to-stop-him/


"‘Crushed the Hopes of a Democratic Establishment Desperate to Stop Him’"

Like I have said, this place needs an eye roll emoticon.

Even in victory, the Bernie as victim (bleep) doesn't stop . . . it'd be comical if it wasn't so ridiculously pathetic.


Did you even click on the link? That's Chuck Todd's characterization, not a Bernie Bro's.


Where do you think I copied the quote from?

It doesn't matter who said it, it still exemplifies and perpetuates the infantile attitude of much of the Bernie tribe.


So the Bernie bros are now responsible for every dumb word that comes out of Chuck Todd's mouth... my god.


Once again, you miss the point entirely. It's not who is "responsible".

Also, if you don't agree with the message, then why (as a Bernie supporter) would you post it and thus promote it.

See the point? It doesn't matter who said it. The message and intent is the same.

As an aside, one of my favorite BernieBro tantrum/troll posting bits is them thinking "normie Dems" like Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject:

"Chuck Todd says it's over,* so bend the knee, centrists!"**


* "Normally I think he's a talking head moron whose opinion is worthless, but in this one case that supports my priors he's clearly right and because he's clearly a god to resistance wine moms, they can't help but feel the Bern."

** "Don't worry, I'll pivot to trashing Republicans instead of Democrats any day now.*** Just you wait."


*** offer valid until after the election, then (bleep) you normie Dem morons once again!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:33 pm    Post subject:

Part of me wants Bernie to win the Presidency and be as lawless as Trump. I want him to expand executive branch powers and implement the most extreme left wing policy possible.

Just so when Republicans complain I can play dumb, downplay things, and use whatabout-isms to defend him.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:34 pm    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
I have tried to avoid the unbelievably fatiguing infighting Bernie debate. I am a Never-Trumper, or better stated, a Never-Republican'er.

As such, we, the collective we who see Trump as a virus, need to get our (bleep) together and come together. I won't get my first choice* nor my second, nor my third or fourth, it seems. I will get over this. I wish others could get to this place. We need to put egos, that think our choice is the only good choice, aside, and unite on a candidate soon. We want to avoid a brokered convention--I do anyway. A brokered convention could very well likely create more discord and Trump wins as a result.

If it is Bernie, so be it. We will just have to pray (or whatever it is one may do) that the progressives are right that a progressive candidate will do better than a more moderate one.

*(If I could be god, or Trump as it were, and just put someone in the White House, it would be Liz without hesitation)


Bernie's not my first choice. And oddly enough, despite the fact I dislike much of his personality and his chosen strategy, I like most of his policy. I think Warren is better suited to seeing them actually come to fruition, which is why she is my personal choice.

But I sure as hell will be voting for Bernie in the General. And I will do so happily while supporting his run. Because, like you I realize that regardless of whom we support, Trump is the only actual "enemy" and the force that must be stopped if we hope to have a shred of this Republic left in 5 years.

I do think it is important to note why Bernie and his supporters face the criticisms they do. While they attack the party, they simultaneously play the poor victim card - EVEN in victory and success.

While I hope I am wrong, I don't think Bernie will ultimately be successful in the General. But my biggest fear is not that Bernie wins the nomination, It's that he won't. Because while reasonable people like you and I know what is at stake and that ultimately, seeing our own personal choice is far less important than seeing Trump defeated, there is a large contingent of Bernie supporters who are not pragmatic enough to put their personal disappointment aside and suck it up and vote in November for a Dem who isn't Bernie. It's their way or the highway. Which should really be of a concern for everyone who genuinely cares about the future of this country.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:36 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Part of me wants Bernie to win the Presidency and be as lawless as Trump. I want him to expand executive branch powers and implement the most extreme left wing policy possible.

Just so when Republicans complain I can play dumb, downplay things, and use whatabout-isms to defend him.


I would actually quite enjoy that. Ultimately I think it would be counterproductive, but it'd be fun in the short term.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
I have tried to avoid the unbelievably fatiguing infighting Bernie debate. I am a Never-Trumper, or better stated, a Never-Republican'er.

As such, we, the collective we who see Trump as a virus, need to get our (bleep) together and come together. I won't get my first choice* nor my second, nor my third or fourth, it seems. I will get over this. I wish others could get to this place. We need to put egos, that think our choice is the only good choice, aside, and unite on a candidate soon. We want to avoid a brokered convention--I do anyway. A brokered convention could very well likely create more discord and Trump wins as a result.

If it is Bernie, so be it. We will just have to pray (or whatever it is one may do) that the progressives are right that a progressive candidate will do better than a more moderate one.

*(If I could be god, or Trump as it were, and just put someone in the White House, it would be Liz without hesitation)


This is what a perceived liberal pundit has to say....

"I'm wondering if Democratic moderates want Bernie Sanders to be President?" said [Chris] Matthews. "Maybe that's too exciting a question to raise. Do they want Bernie to take over the Democratic Party in perpetuity? Maybe they'd rather wait 4 years and put in a Democrat that they like."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Part of me wants Bernie to win the Presidency and be as lawless as Trump. I want him to expand executive branch powers and implement the most extreme left wing policy possible.

Just so when Republicans complain I can play dumb, downplay things, and use whatabout-isms to defend him.

Sanders seems less progressive on this issue than Elizabeth Warren. But maybe he's playing coy or he'll tap her to be VP to engage in some institution/norm smashing.
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