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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | There's a lot of doom porn over the past few pages. |
We're not creating it. Just reviewing the content.
I wish we were being hyperbolic. We're just kinda saying, Trump means what he's saying and he has the means to succeed. |
I'm skeptical. A few weeks ago you and others here predicted that Trump's post-RNC "law and order" rhetoric would resonate with swing voters and then his campaign quickly abandoned the strategy because it was went over like a lead balloon.
Y'all are giving him and the GOP at all levels way too much credit. I'm all for preparing for bad (bleep), but the "fascism is inevitable, sorry" takes look like navel gazing misery porn to me. Now, I'm a fan of navel gazing misery porn in my entertainment, but it seems pointlessly enervating in politics. If you think the worst, you'll never be disappointed - I get it. |
How'd they go on that whole Impeachment thing?
They are clearly getting the credit they have earned.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | Just like 2016 and 2020 are not the same, Bush vs Gore and Trump vs whatever will not be the same.
And one more time: Trump being impeached and then not being removed by the Senate does not mean we are an authoritarian dictatorship. People use those terms so easily without knowing what they even mean. |
Speaking mostly for myself, I think many of us using those terms are using them in regards to what Trump would get away with if he could. There is no doubt in my mind that's where we're headed if he remains in office somehow. |
And there is no doubt there are people in power more than willing to aid him in that regard.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | trmiv wrote: |
The “United” States already is an authoritarian dictatorship. Some people just haven’t gotten the memo yet. We ceased to be a democracy when Trump was allowed to continue in office after his impeachment. Everything since is just window dressing. |
I lived in an authoritarian dictatorship. We are not an authoritarian dictatorship.
Let's not engage in nonsense here. |
We are much closer than you profess.
I think it's nonsense to claim otherwise. |
Above you said we are already there. We are not. History, our political culture, the fact that we can even discuss these things now, the fact that we are already in an election, and thousands of other things that we are able to do in this country tell us that we are not an authoritarian dictatorship. Trump would love us to be, maybe we've moved ever so slightly toward it during his tenure, but we can reverse the trend in about 40 days with a clear message.
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| Wilt wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | Just like 2016 and 2020 are not the same, Bush vs Gore and Trump vs whatever will not be the same.
And one more time: Trump being impeached and then not being removed by the Senate does not mean we are an authoritarian dictatorship. People use those terms so easily without knowing what they even mean. |
Speaking mostly for myself, I think many of us using those terms are using them in regards to what Trump would get away with if he could. There is no doubt in my mind that's where we're headed if he remains in office somehow. |
I agree with you. He would love to be a dictator until he dies and then for his one and true love Ivanka to take over for the next 35 years. And as BVH said above, it's easy to assume that they're competent people because that's what they want to project. And when we give them too much credit, we quickly forget that we are more powerful than they are. Again, as I said numerous times above: imagine a scenario in which Biden wins by a wide margin, a clear mandate, Trump sues all the way to the Supreme Court with no legal argument other than he's a whiny little baby, and there is millions of people outside of that building telling those justices that they will be branded with enabling a dictator for the rest of their lives. But it probably won't even come to that. |
I don't see anyone claiming how competent Trump and his family are.
What I do see is people making note of the obvious fact that there are very competent people who are willing to help him achieve his goals because it will serve their own personal gains.
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Hell: Why even vote, then? If this country is so far gone?
I'm voting, anyway.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | There's a lot of doom porn over the past few pages. |
We're not creating it. Just reviewing the content.
I wish we were being hyperbolic. We're just kinda saying, Trump means what he's saying and he has the means to succeed. |
I'm skeptical. A few weeks ago you and others here predicted that Trump's post-RNC "law and order" rhetoric would resonate with swing voters and then his campaign quickly abandoned the strategy because it was went over like a lead balloon.
Y'all are giving him and the GOP at all levels way too much credit. I'm all for preparing for bad (bleep), but the "fascism is inevitable, sorry" takes look like navel gazing misery porn to me. Now, I'm a fan of navel gazing misery porn in my entertainment, but it seems pointlessly enervating in politics. If you think the worst, you'll never be disappointed - I get it. |
Sounds like you aren't very informed about the preparations Trump has put into place months ago to steal this election, if necessary. Maybe give this a read.
| Quote: | | The Election That Could Break America |
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/
I do admit I haven't been right 100% of the time. But I don't think that invalidates what Trump has blatantly said is his plan and the preparations he's made to execute it.
I do like hearing about your porn related thoughts though. Not sure if it helps your point but it's interesting.
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| Wilt wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | trmiv wrote: |
The “United” States already is an authoritarian dictatorship. Some people just haven’t gotten the memo yet. We ceased to be a democracy when Trump was allowed to continue in office after his impeachment. Everything since is just window dressing. |
I lived in an authoritarian dictatorship. We are not an authoritarian dictatorship.
Let's not engage in nonsense here. |
We are much closer than you profess.
I think it's nonsense to claim otherwise. |
Above you said we are already there. We are not. History, our political culture, the fact that we can even discuss these things now, the fact that we are already in an election, and thousands of other things that we are able to do in this country tell us that we are not an authoritarian dictatorship. Trump would love us to be, maybe we've moved ever so slightly toward it during his tenure, but we can reverse the trend in about 40 days with a clear message. |
I'm not going to quibble about something that is clearly just a matter of degree.
I'm glad you feel so confident.
I admire your faith in the nation to do the right thing.
Unfortunately it feels like whistling through the graveyard. While it may give one personal comfort, it doesn't negate the fact that you are walking through a graveyard.
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Trump has plans in motion to invalidate or not count votes.
And he's said the voters will not be the determining factor on if he'll accept the election.
I mean, if that's not worthy of concern. I don't know what is.
There is zero speculation going on with the argument DMR and I are making.
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| FernieBee wrote: | Hell: Why even vote, then? If this country is so far gone?
I'm voting, anyway.
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We definitely all need to do our all out best to keep things on track. Not only by voting, but encouraging and assisting others in doing so.
No one is promoting the idea of just giving up. But the discussion of where we are headed has to be an honest one that factors in all the possibilities and the realities of them.
Of course we fight. And being aware of what is ahead in regards to that fight and the outcomes involved is part of being prepared for it.
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Trump has plans in motion to invalidate or not count votes.
And he's said the voters will not be the determining factor on if he'll accept the election.
There is zero speculation going on with the argument DMR and I are making. |
Exactly. It's all out there. Se are not discussing what Trump "might do".
We are discussing what he has announced he is actually doing.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | trmiv wrote: |
The “United” States already is an authoritarian dictatorship. Some people just haven’t gotten the memo yet. We ceased to be a democracy when Trump was allowed to continue in office after his impeachment. Everything since is just window dressing. |
I lived in an authoritarian dictatorship. We are not an authoritarian dictatorship.
Let's not engage in nonsense here. |
We are much closer than you profess.
I think it's nonsense to claim otherwise. |
Above you said we are already there. We are not. History, our political culture, the fact that we can even discuss these things now, the fact that we are already in an election, and thousands of other things that we are able to do in this country tell us that we are not an authoritarian dictatorship. Trump would love us to be, maybe we've moved ever so slightly toward it during his tenure, but we can reverse the trend in about 40 days with a clear message. |
I'm not going to quibble about something that is clearly just a matter of degree.
I'm glad you feel so confident.
I admire your faith in the nation to do the right thing.
Unfortunately it feels like whistling through the graveyard. While it may give one personal comfort, it doesn't negate the fact that you are walking through a graveyard. |
A few months from now, we will look back and laugh about how many posts we wasted talking about this.
As I said many times, it'll be a rough time ahead. Trump will whine and whine some more. But we won't become an authoritarian dictatorship. There are simply too many people opposed to him, too many people with their lives on the line, too many people that won't give away their rights, too many people that with everything to lose if his plans come through.
Yes, I do have that the majority of this country won't let it happen.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Not only by voting, but encouraging and assisting others in doing so. |
I'm helping my mom and aunt fill out their ballots, and I'm walking those ballots--and mine--to the polling place (for drop-off).
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| Wilt wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | trmiv wrote: |
The “United” States already is an authoritarian dictatorship. Some people just haven’t gotten the memo yet. We ceased to be a democracy when Trump was allowed to continue in office after his impeachment. Everything since is just window dressing. |
I lived in an authoritarian dictatorship. We are not an authoritarian dictatorship.
Let's not engage in nonsense here. |
We are much closer than you profess.
I think it's nonsense to claim otherwise. |
Above you said we are already there. We are not. History, our political culture, the fact that we can even discuss these things now, the fact that we are already in an election, and thousands of other things that we are able to do in this country tell us that we are not an authoritarian dictatorship. Trump would love us to be, maybe we've moved ever so slightly toward it during his tenure, but we can reverse the trend in about 40 days with a clear message. |
I'm not going to quibble about something that is clearly just a matter of degree.
I'm glad you feel so confident.
I admire your faith in the nation to do the right thing.
Unfortunately it feels like whistling through the graveyard. While it may give one personal comfort, it doesn't negate the fact that you are walking through a graveyard. |
A few months from now, we will look back and laugh about how many posts we wasted talking about this.
As I said many times, it'll be a rough time ahead. Trump will whine and whine some more. But we won't become an authoritarian dictatorship. There are simply too many people opposed to him, too many people with their lives on the line, too many people that won't give away their rights, too many people that with everything to lose if his plans come through.
Yes, I do have that the majority of this country won't let it happen. |
 to that eventuality. 
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| FernieBee wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Not only by voting, but encouraging and assisting others in doing so. |
I'm helping my mom and aunt fill out their ballots, and I'm walking those ballots--and mine--to the polling place (for drop-off).
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| kikanga wrote: | Trump has plans in motion to invalidate or not count votes.
And he's said the voters will not be the determining factor on if he'll accept the election.
I mean, if that's not worthy of concern. I don't know what is. |
It's worthy of concern, it's not worthy of guaranteeing that all his plans will somehow materialize. 50 states, 50 different elections, 50 secretaries of state. The Democrats hold those positions in the most crucial of states.
He has no argument other he is a sore loser. You are giving the guy too much credit. He's in a desperate position but pretending that he's acting from a position of strength.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | There's a lot of doom porn over the past few pages. |
We're not creating it. Just reviewing the content.
I wish we were being hyperbolic. We're just kinda saying, Trump means what he's saying and he has the means to succeed. |
I'm skeptical. A few weeks ago you and others here predicted that Trump's post-RNC "law and order" rhetoric would resonate with swing voters and then his campaign quickly abandoned the strategy because it was went over like a lead balloon.
Y'all are giving him and the GOP at all levels way too much credit. I'm all for preparing for bad (bleep), but the "fascism is inevitable, sorry" takes look like navel gazing misery porn to me. Now, I'm a fan of navel gazing misery porn in my entertainment, but it seems pointlessly enervating in politics. If you think the worst, you'll never be disappointed - I get it. |
How'd they go on that whole Impeachment thing?
They are clearly getting the credit they have earned. |
I don't know, seems like they're most likely looking at a Dem trifecta and everyone who's not a Trump sycophant laughed at and then quickly forgot the Ron Johnson report this morning.
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| Wilt wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Trump has plans in motion to invalidate or not count votes.
And he's said the voters will not be the determining factor on if he'll accept the election.
I mean, if that's not worthy of concern. I don't know what is. |
It's worthy of concern, it's not worthy of guaranteeing that all his plans will somehow materialize. 50 states, 50 different elections, 50 secretaries of state. The Democrats hold those positions in the most crucial of states.
He has no argument other he is a sore loser. You are giving the guy too much credit. He's in a desperate position but pretending that he's acting from a position of strength. |
He has specifically targeted the swing states he needs to win. I really recommend you check out that Atlantic article I linked to BVH. This is one of those situations that the more you learn about it the more it becomes obvious that a large margin of victory at the ballot box (not via mail in voting) is practically a necessity.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | There's a lot of doom porn over the past few pages. |
We're not creating it. Just reviewing the content.
I wish we were being hyperbolic. We're just kinda saying, Trump means what he's saying and he has the means to succeed. |
I'm skeptical. A few weeks ago you and others here predicted that Trump's post-RNC "law and order" rhetoric would resonate with swing voters and then his campaign quickly abandoned the strategy because it was went over like a lead balloon.
Y'all are giving him and the GOP at all levels way too much credit. I'm all for preparing for bad (bleep), but the "fascism is inevitable, sorry" takes look like navel gazing misery porn to me. Now, I'm a fan of navel gazing misery porn in my entertainment, but it seems pointlessly enervating in politics. If you think the worst, you'll never be disappointed - I get it. |
How'd they go on that whole Impeachment thing?
They are clearly getting the credit they have earned. |
I don't know, seems like they're most likely looking at a Dem trifecta and everyone who's not a Trump sycophant laughed at and then quickly forgot the Ron Johnson report this morning. |
I certainly haven't. I'm just aware of what a tiny drop in the bucket it is at this point.
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| I’ll be the first to admit I’m prone to negative thinking. I always expect the worst and then hope to be pleasantly surprised when it doesn’t happen. Same thing happens in regards to the Lakers, where I was extremely negative after last night’s loss and other playoff losses in the past. Unfortunately for the US the stuff that’s transpired over the past few years in this country haven’t given me much reason to change my pessimistic outlook. I sincerely hope I’m wrong and make no mistake I will fight to the end to try to make sure we don’t end up where Trump wants us. I will not raise my kids in a fascist (bleep). |
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Giuliani worked with a Russian agent via Ukraine on Trump's behalf.
Trump is responsible for many of the Covid deaths in this country.
Trump insulted the military.
Trump was recently criticized as incompetent by his niece.
Trump has been accused by dozens of women for assaulting/harassing them.
These are just some of the the many things we quickly forget...thanks to the chaos that is Trump and the media which runs from one scandal to the next.
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| trmiv wrote: | | I’ll be the first to admit I’m prone to negative thinking. I always expect the worst and then hope to be pleasantly surprised when it doesn’t happen. Same thing happens in regards to the Lakers, where I was extremely negative after last night’s loss and other playoff losses in the past. Unfortunately for the US the stuff that’s transpired over the past few years in this country haven’t given me much reason to change my pessimistic outlook. I sincerely hope I’m wrong and make no mistake I will fight to the end to try to make sure we don’t end up where Trump wants us. I will not raise my kids in a fascist (bleep). |
And that's why he won't succeed. We won't let him.
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| trmiv wrote: | | I will not raise my kids in a fascist (bleep). |
Yes: No to fascism.
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| trmiv wrote: | | I’ll be the first to admit I’m prone to negative thinking. I always expect the worst and then hope to be pleasantly surprised when it doesn’t happen. Same thing happens in regards to the Lakers, where I was extremely negative after last night’s loss and other playoff losses in the past. Unfortunately for the US the stuff that’s transpired over the past few years in this country haven’t given me much reason to change my pessimistic outlook. I sincerely hope I’m wrong and make no mistake I will fight to the end to try to make sure we don’t end up where Trump wants us. I will not raise my kids in a fascist (bleep). |
No doubt. And being prepared for what that fight will entail is important.
It wasn't hyperbole when I said, "If you are not armed, you should be". Even if one prefers not to be literally so, we must be figuratively so prepared.
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