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| Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
I’m saying what Trump wants, not what he should do. Trump sees a guy that even Dems claim is vulnerable to attacks regarding his socialist views. Bernie by far the most left in a field that has several candidates who are much more moderate and more likely to appeal to such voters. He sees an old crotchety guy he thinks he can bully in a one on one campaign. As for polling, after 2016, polls aren’t going to factor into his strategy. The polls had him way behind Hilary and ge’ll just attempt to another last second Comey moment.
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Ha! First post on page 2020!
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| Wilt wrote: | | governator wrote: |
Anybody think we have a chance outside of Biden? |
Is that a serious question? Of course we do. All the major candidates can beat him, but they can also lose to him. We have no idea what's gonna happen, and those that know for certain that specific candidates will win or lose are full of (bleep). |
At this point, I have to agree that there’s really no way to actually predict who is going to have the best chance against Trump. They all have their positives and negatives and how things play out after the nominee is decided is really going to determine things. Also, one thing that doesn’t seem to factor in the discussions of who is best positioned to beat Trump is Trump himself and what he will in the 5 months leading to the election. That’s going to play the biggest role and there’s no saying what that will mean for the Dem candidate.
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Because a sundowning 70 year old egotist can't step away from his presidential campaign vanity project the nation is careening faster and faster toward the hell of a Michael Bloomberg presidency.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Because a sundowning 70 year old egotist can't step away from his presidential campaign vanity project the nation is careening faster and faster toward the hell of a Michael Bloomberg presidency. |
Only ones under 70 are klobuchar and pete |
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In 2005, there was an article in Rolling Stone about the horror show that is Congress. The author, the now well known Matt Taibbi, and he asked then Congressman and soon to be Senator Bernie Sanders to give him an insiders guide tour to how things get done. Sanders, by that time, was already known as the Ammendment King. But I’m not sure everyone in this forum understands what that actually means.
“Since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, no other lawmaker – not Tom DeLay, not Nancy Pelosi – has passed more roll-call amendments (amendments that actually went to a vote on the floor) than Bernie Sanders. He accomplishes this on the one hand by being relentlessly active, and on the other by using his status as an Independent to form left-right coalitions.”
It’s also an inside view of how Sanders operates...worth a read:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/inside-the-horror-show-that-is-congress-177955/ |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Because a sundowning 70 year old egotist can't step away from his presidential campaign vanity project the nation is careening faster and faster toward the hell of a Michael Bloomberg presidency. |
We've seen what a "hell Presidency" actually is. This kind of alarmist "both sides are evil" hyperbole isn't accurate and doesn't really help anything and just repeats the idiocy of 2016.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Because a sundowning 70 year old egotist can't step away from his presidential campaign vanity project the nation is careening faster and faster toward the hell of a Michael Bloomberg presidency. |
We've seen what a "hell Presidency" actually is. This kind of alarmist "both sides are evil" hyperbole isn't accurate and doesn't really help anything and just repeats the idiocy of 2016. |
I'm workshopping a Twitter bit here, but I want to be a bit alarmist while we all still have a choice:
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“It’s a (bleep) baby! It doesn’t know the difference between you and anyone else,” Bloomberg yelled at an employee trying to find childcare.
“All you need is some black who doesn’t have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building.” |
https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1228700781064445952
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| Surfitall wrote: | In 2005, there was an article in Rolling Stone about the horror show that is Congress. The author, the now well known Matt Taibbi, and he asked then Congressman and soon to be Senator Bernie Sanders to give him an insiders guide tour to how things get done. Sanders, by that time, was already known as the Ammendment King. But I’m not sure everyone in this forum understands what that actually means.
“Since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, no other lawmaker – not Tom DeLay, not Nancy Pelosi – has passed more roll-call amendments (amendments that actually went to a vote on the floor) than Bernie Sanders. He accomplishes this on the one hand by being relentlessly active, and on the other by using his status as an Independent to form left-right coalitions.”
It’s also an inside view of how Sanders operates...worth a read:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/inside-the-horror-show-that-is-congress-177955/ |
| Quote: | | All of Washington seems to be in on the lobbyist leprechaun game. News even leaked that corporations had managed to convince the local sports teams, the Wizards and the Capitals, to create special courtside and/or rinkside tickets. The tickets would not be available to the general public but would have an official list price of $49.50 and could be purchased by corporate customers. Why the low list price? Because congressional rules prohibit gifts to congressmen with a cost above fifty dollars. |
This was a long and depressing read (what I will now forward to the person who asks "what's the big deal about corporate money in politics?")
TL;DR Bernie actually reads the bills. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | In 2005, there was an article in Rolling Stone about the horror show that is Congress. The author, the now well known Matt Taibbi, and he asked then Congressman and soon to be Senator Bernie Sanders to give him an insiders guide tour to how things get done. Sanders, by that time, was already known as the Ammendment King. But I’m not sure everyone in this forum understands what that actually means.
“Since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, no other lawmaker – not Tom DeLay, not Nancy Pelosi – has passed more roll-call amendments (amendments that actually went to a vote on the floor) than Bernie Sanders. He accomplishes this on the one hand by being relentlessly active, and on the other by using his status as an Independent to form left-right coalitions.”
It’s also an inside view of how Sanders operates...worth a read:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/inside-the-horror-show-that-is-congress-177955/ |
| Quote: | | All of Washington seems to be in on the lobbyist leprechaun game. News even leaked that corporations had managed to convince the local sports teams, the Wizards and the Capitals, to create special courtside and/or rinkside tickets. The tickets would not be available to the general public but would have an official list price of $49.50 and could be purchased by corporate customers. Why the low list price? Because congressional rules prohibit gifts to congressmen with a cost above fifty dollars. |
This was a long and depressing read (what I will now forward to the person who asks "what's the big deal about corporate money in politics?")
TL;DR Bernie actually reads the bills. |
Taibbi has always sucked, fwiw.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Because a sundowning 70 year old egotist can't step away from his presidential campaign vanity project the nation is careening faster and faster toward the hell of a Michael Bloomberg presidency. |
We've seen what a "hell Presidency" actually is. This kind of alarmist "both sides are evil" hyperbole isn't accurate and doesn't really help anything and just repeats the idiocy of 2016. |
I'm workshopping a Twitter bit here, but I want to be a bit alarmist while we all still have a choice:
| Quote: | Eric Umansky
@ericuman
“It’s a (bleep) baby! It doesn’t know the difference between you and anyone else,” Bloomberg yelled at an employee trying to find childcare.
“All you need is some black who doesn’t have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building.” |
https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1228700781064445952 |
It's almost a nothing, but leftists calling most Democratic politicians and candidates to the right of Sanders "evil," "monsters," etc. for years kind of dulls the effect when an actual wolf enters the race.
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| Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
The problem is that the election isn't a national popular vote contest (ask hillary and Gore about that), and Bernie tends to run up the score in the blue states and perform poorly in those states that could be getable.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
The problem is that the election isn't a national popular vote contest (ask hillary and Gore about that), and Bernie tends to run up the score in the blue states and perform poorly in those states that could be getable. |
This is my whole thing, right here. This game is basically a 10-state contest, give or take a couple of states. We should be asking ourselves what the landscape is in those states. Nothing else matters. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | governator wrote: |
Anybody think we have a chance outside of Biden? |
Is that a serious question? Of course we do. All the major candidates can beat him, but they can also lose to him. We have no idea what's gonna happen, and those that know for certain that specific candidates will win or lose are full of (bleep). |
At this point, I have to agree that there’s really no way to actually predict who is going to have the best chance against Trump. They all have their positives and negatives and how things play out after the nominee is decided is really going to determine things. Also, one thing that doesn’t seem to factor in the discussions of who is best positioned to beat Trump is Trump himself and what he will in the 5 months leading to the election. That’s going to play the biggest role and there’s no saying what that will mean for the Dem candidate. |
Bold green is what I'm counting on. I'm counting on voters to wake up and smell the coffee. Trump is trampling on our institutions, laws and constitution. I'm counting on even the uneducated to see the damage being done and realize in order to save a 243/528 year old institution/country Trump has to be removed.
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| Wilt wrote: | | I remember him being humiliated by Christopher Hitchens in "Does God Exist?" debates. |
You ever see where Hitchens debated Dinesh D'Souza and Dennis Prager at the same time? That was a very good one, and especially satisfying because I find Prager especially grating |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
The problem is that the election isn't a national popular vote contest (ask hillary and Gore about that), and Bernie tends to run up the score in the blue states and perform poorly in those states that could be getable. |
This is my whole thing, right here. This game is basically a 10-state contest, give or take a couple of states. We should be asking ourselves what the landscape is in those states. Nothing else matters. |
With that in mind, Do you think we have a chance outside of Biden? |
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| governator wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
The problem is that the election isn't a national popular vote contest (ask hillary and Gore about that), and Bernie tends to run up the score in the blue states and perform poorly in those states that could be getable. |
This is my whole thing, right here. This game is basically a 10-state contest, give or take a couple of states. We should be asking ourselves what the landscape is in those states. Nothing else matters. |
With that in mind, Do you think we have a chance outside of Biden? |
A chance, yes. Like, honestly, I think if the Dems ran Amy, she would have a solid chance to win. She has impressive credentials (not unlike Hillary), she has moderate views that are likely to play well in those crucial swing states, but unlike Hillary, she's not a polarizing figure. Of course, she's almost certainly not going to win the nomination. The campaign against Bernie is going to be vicious because of how they are going to portray him, and while many of us can look to that and dismiss what Trump's claims will be, again, this is about how it will look in those states that matter. I could obviously be wrong, but I think Trump will beat Sanders fairly comfortably. I know Biden polls best (apparently) against Trump, but he is almost looking DOA. I have been told in no uncertain terms (by an AA who works on one of the campaigns) that the black community will NOT support Mayor Pete under any circumstances, and so that seems to leave Bloomberg. Now, to me, Bloomberg's history on race is much more troubling than that of Pete, but Bloomberg is already polling 2nd-best among AA's in South Carolina, apparently. Perhaps they just see him as having a realistic chance to win. I do think that he could; I mean, he certainly has the money to bombard the airwaves with disparaging ads on Trump, and maybe he'll play OK in the swing states.
Overall, I'm worried. If I had to bet my life, I'd probably predict a Trump victory, given the current landscape. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Ted wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Listening to MSNBC. Chuck Todd MTP DAILY is saying the reason Trump is coming o the aid of Sanders because he wants him to win the nomination. He thinks he can beat him. |
This has been said many times going back for awhile here. There’s a reason Trump hasn’t really gone at Bernie. He wants Bernie to get the nomination because he sees an easy mark. |
Bernie is beating Trump in every national poll
I think Trump actually sort of respects Bernie because of ... crowd size. His mind is so simple. He sees that Bernie's crowd sizes are massive like his, so he immediately gains his respect. I doubt there is some underlying trick to him not going after Bernie. |
The problem is that the election isn't a national popular vote contest (ask hillary and Gore about that), and Bernie tends to run up the score in the blue states and perform poorly in those states that could be getable. |
This is my whole thing, right here. This game is basically a 10-state contest, give or take a couple of states. We should be asking ourselves what the landscape is in those states. Nothing else matters. |
With that in mind, Do you think we have a chance outside of Biden? |
A chance, yes. Like, honestly, I think if the Dems ran Amy, she would have a solid chance to win. She has impressive credentials (not unlike Hillary), she has moderate views that are likely to play well in those crucial swing states, but unlike Hillary, she's not a polarizing figure. Of course, she's almost certainly not going to win the nomination. The campaign against Bernie is going to be vicious because of how they are going to portray him, and while many of us can look to that and dismiss what Trump's claims will be, again, this is about how it will look in those states that matter. I could obviously be wrong, but I think Trump will beat Sanders fairly comfortably. I know Biden polls best (apparently) against Trump, but he is almost looking DOA. I have been told in no uncertain terms (by an AA who works on one of the campaigns) that the black community will NOT support Mayor Pete under any circumstances, and so that seems to leave Bloomberg. Now, to me, Bloomberg's history on race is much more troubling than that of Pete, but Bloomberg is already polling 2nd-best among AA's in South Carolina, apparently. Perhaps they just see him as having a realistic chance to win. I do think that he could; I mean, he certainly has the money to bombard the airwaves with disparaging ads on Trump, and maybe he'll play OK in the swing states.
Overall, I'm worried. If I had to bet my life, I'd probably predict a Trump victory, given the current landscape. |
Yeah, almost like 2016 again, was so sure trump would lose easily maybe a year ago but this dude got such a solid base, can’t do no wrong |
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| Quote: | | I have been told in no uncertain terms (by an AA who works on one of the campaigns) that the black community will NOT support Mayor Pete under any circumstances |
As a member of that community I'll say I don't believe that to be true. AA will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE no matter who it is.
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| jodeke wrote: | ChickenStu wrote:
| Quote: | | I have been told in no uncertain terms (by an AA who works on one of the campaigns) that the black community will NOT support Mayor Pete under any circumstances |
As a member of that community I'll say I don't believe that to be true. AA will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE no matter who it is. |
I'm saying this in relation to the primaries. Or, more aptly put, I was told this in relation to the primaries. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | ChickenStu wrote:
| Quote: | | I have been told in no uncertain terms (by an AA who works on one of the campaigns) that the black community will NOT support Mayor Pete under any circumstances |
As a member of that community I'll say I don't believe that to be true. AA will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE no matter who it is. |
I'm saying this in relation to the primaries. Or, more aptly put, I was told this in relation to the primaries. |
OooooTay. That may be true.
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I saw this elsewhere and while I don't agree 100% with the vitriolic language, it does sum up my thoughts on Bernie pretty well. And I bring it up because we do need to be aware of who we may well end up with if we are successful in getting Trump out. That said, I'm voting for Bernie as many times as they will let me if he is the nominee.
Why am I eternally mad at Bernie Sanders?
It's not because of his politics, which I 99 percent agree with. It's not because he wrote stupid stuff when he was in his 30s (*waves hi to everyone*). It's not because of his lack of bills written because that (bleep) is hard. It's not because he isn't a Democrat no matter how annoying I do find that. It's not even because of the Bernie Bros and/or other members of his base who toxify online spaces. I'm a DOCTOR WHO fan, have you SEEN some of us?!
No, It's because between March and July of 2016 he would not concede a race he had clearly, mathematically lost. Instead, he kept it going, and in doing so was the beta testing for the blistering misinformation campaign that ultimately made Trump president. He allowed his campaign to become a hotbed of myths and conspiracy theories about corrupt Democrats denying "the people's choice" and in doing so gave Russia and the Republicans all the practice they needed to tilt the scales in the election. All of it was a lie, and Sanders had to KNOW it was a lie.
He did it anyway, and while I cannot see into his heart I think he did it out of spite, ego, and a delusion of grandeur. It was a profound moral failing in the face of a fascist takeover of America, and to me it speaks volumes about his integrity. Though there are a myriad of factors that elected Donald Trump, I consider Sanders' actions in the spring and summer of 2016 to be of incredible importance. All that poisoned information reinforced the long-running conservative idea that Hillary Clinton was a duplicitous monster, and it is impossible to know how many people saw those posts and just decided voting was pointless since both candidates were evil. I don't care how many Sanders fans voted for Trump; I care how many of them spread content that depressed turnout out of a sense of futility.
That is why I am still mad at Bernie Sanders. I don't think he learned a damn thing from it. I think he remains the Ron Paul of the left, a plague vector for (bleep) that doesn't care who it hurts. I don't trust him to do the right thing when it inconveniences him, plain and simple.
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| Theseus wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | I remember him being humiliated by Christopher Hitchens in "Does God Exist?" debates. |
You ever see where Hitchens debated Dinesh D'Souza and Dennis Prager at the same time? That was a very good one, and especially satisfying because I find Prager especially grating |
Yeah, I did. D'Souza at least tried to engage Hitchens reasonably. Prager was just yelling and sounded like he was drunk.
Now he heads a fake university spreading propaganda to millions of conservatives.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | I could obviously be wrong, but I think Trump will beat Sanders fairly comfortably. |
What does that mean? He'll win the majority of the popular vote? He'll have an electoral college landslide? What Hillary states can he win? The last time a Republican beat a Democrat comfortably was in 1988. In 2004, Bush beat Kerry by 2.4% (the only time a Republican has won the popular vote since 1988). And Kerry only needed one more state to win the election. So I wouldn't describe that one as a comfortable win for Bush. There is no evidence in polling and in recent electoral history that a Republican can beat a Democrat comfortably. Bernie has consistently beaten Trump in polls. I'm aware that the socialism card will be played, but even if it is, I doubt it'll result in a comfortable win. There just aren't enough potential Republican votes. A Republican, especially one as unpopular as Trump, can only win an extremely close election by lowering turnout (with foreign interference and with cheating).
| Quote: | | Overall, I'm worried. If I had to bet my life, I'd probably predict a Trump victory, given the current landscape. |
It'll be a turnout election. Yes, I'm worried Dems will screw it up. But Trump will have little to do with that (he'll get foreign help, he'll cheat, but we can override with a big turnout). It'll be up to us.
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Well, that’s some good timing. A peer reviewed study just released in The Lancet says Medicare for All will save $450 Billion and prevent 68,000 unnecessary deaths every year.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext
“This study confirms that Medicare for All will save the American people $450 billion on health care costs and will prevent 68,000 unnecessary deaths – each and every year,” Sanders said. “In other words, guaranteeing health care as a human right by creating a Medicare for All system will cost substantially less than our current dysfunctional health care system. It will save working class families thousands of dollars and it will prevent tens of thousands of Americans from dying each year. While the CEOs in the pharmaceutical and health insurance industry may not like it, we will end their greed and enact Medicare for All when I am president.” |
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