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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:09 pm    Post subject:

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I have some serious concerns about some of Bernie’s policies, and some of his past statements...but I also think he has the best chance at beating Trump and so he is my candidate at this time.


Why?


That is a long, complicated answer. I talked about this a few weeks ago, but I believe there are two things that motivate people to get up off their couches and vote: Inspiration, and desperation.

I think a lot of people in this forum are hopeful that desperation is enough to unseat trump. That if we pick a middle of the road candidate who follows in the incrementalist "realistic" footsteps of Democrats in the past, that it's good enough and that people are desperate enough to get rid of Trump that they will get up off their couches and the result will be different than it was in 2016.

I'm not in that camp. I think that we need a combination of inspiration and desperation because the desperate will vote for Democrats no matter what. Sanders inspires more than any other candidate. He has more donors, has raked in more money, more volunteers than any other candidate. That doesn't mean the other candidates don't inspire many people, just not as many.

It's also worth pointing out that 100,000,000 eligible to vote Americans didn't vote in 2016. Why is that? Again, there are many reasons, but I believe a big part of the reason is because the Democratic party, while still far better than Republicans on almost every issue, went too far to the right over the last several decades, some call it Republican light. (With Obama even acknowledging that he would have been considered a Republican if he was elected a couple decades ago.) When the average american thinks both parties are pretty much the same (even if it's really not true...perception is reality), it becomes much easier to start winning votes on divisive issues around things like abortion, guns, religion, race, Etc.

Sanders offers those 100,000,000 disenfranchised non-voters a real choice to vote for something significantly different. He also has a ridiculously energetic base.

As I've mentioned before, I'll concede that the Republicans will throw out the "Socialism" word and play it for all it's worth and it may create more desperation on the right. That's the risk with Sanders IMO...but every candidate is risky for different reasons.


Thank you those are solid reasons. I don't think the voting public is as sophisticated as your reason give rise to.

The numbers indicate turnout. I think a strong Democratic turnout will benefit the Democratic candidate. I believe the turnout is inevitable because of Trump. IMO Biden reaches more voters because of his ties to Obama.

Bernie's campaign adds are far reaching. He has a add on a Yahtzee game I play on m Iphone. It starts with a picture of Trump. It talks about tax breaks for the rich.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject:

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I have some serious concerns about some of Bernie’s policies, and some of his past statements...but I also think he has the best chance at beating Trump and so he is my candidate at this time.


Why?


That is a long, complicated answer. I talked about this a few weeks ago, but I believe there are two things that motivate people to get up off their couches and vote: Inspiration, and desperation.

I think a lot of people in this forum are hopeful that desperation is enough to unseat trump. That if we pick a middle of the road candidate who follows in the incrementalist "realistic" footsteps of Democrats in the past, that it's good enough and that people are desperate enough to get rid of Trump that they will get up off their couches and the result will be different than it was in 2016.

I'm not in that camp. I think that we need a combination of inspiration and desperation because the desperate will vote for Democrats no matter what. Sanders inspires more than any other candidate. He has more donors, has raked in more money, more volunteers than any other candidate. That doesn't mean the other candidates don't inspire many people, just not as many.

It's also worth pointing out that 100,000,000 eligible to vote Americans didn't vote in 2016. Why is that? Again, there are many reasons, but I believe a big part of the reason is because the Democratic party, while still far better than Republicans on almost every issue, went too far to the right over the last several decades, some call it Republican light. (With Obama even acknowledging that he would have been considered a Republican if he was elected a couple decades ago.) When the average american thinks both parties are pretty much the same (even if it's really not true...perception is reality), it becomes much easier to start winning votes on divisive issues around things like abortion, guns, religion, race, Etc.

Sanders offers those 100,000,000 disenfranchised non-voters a real choice to vote for something significantly different. He also has a ridiculously energetic base.

As I've mentioned before, I'll concede that the Republicans will throw out the "Socialism" word and play it for all it's worth and it may create more desperation on the right. That's the risk with Sanders IMO...but every candidate is risky for different reasons.


Thank you those are solid reasons. I don't think the voting public is as sophisticated as your reason give rise to.

The numbers indicate turnout. I think a strong Democratic turnout will benefit the Democratic candidate. I believe the turnout is inevitable because of Trump. IMO Biden reaches more voters because of his ties to Obama.

Bernie's campaign adds are far reaching. He has a add on a Yahtzee game I play on m Iphone. It starts with a picture of Trump. It talks about tax breaks for the rich.

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And yet, if Sanders is going to capitalize on what’s gone well for him thus far, his campaign will need to grapple with what has not. The Vermont senator’s professed game plan for winning his adopted party’s nomination — flooding the primary electorate with formerly disaffected, first-time voters — shows few signs of viability. Turnout was more robust in New Hampshire than in Iowa, but Sanders was not the main beneficiary of that surge: According to exit polls, Pete Buttigieg beat Sanders with first-time primary voters by a margin of 29 to 25 percent — and among voters who didn’t cast a ballot in the 2016 primary by a margin of 29 to 14 percent. Exit polls are infamously imprecise. But they are not so unreliable as to transform a “revolutionary” surge in anti-establishment voter participation into a mere uptick in pro-Pete turnout. Meanwhile, despite their extraordinary levels of support for Sanders in opinion polls, turnout among voters under 30 was unremarkable in both of the primary’s opening states.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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Credit to Sanders for a well-run campaign so far. Undercut Warren and then pivot to moderating promises on healthcare after kneecapping her campaign.

If I were more of a cynic, I'd say that Bernie's early capitulation on M4A shows how feckless he is and that he's willing to continue the corpiratist healthcare run genocide against the poor.

To those who would argue that the other candidates were already making concessions on healthcare and that Sanders backing of M4A without compromise would give him a stronger starting point for negotiations...here's your boy via AOC publicly compromising to get elected and giving up his supposed stronger opening asking price.

Why? Because he knows as does everyone in the House and Senate that he would never have the Democratic votes to make his opening ask on M4A to make it a viable threat. Really well played by Sanders.

I also think it's brilliant for Bernie to be able to play good cop/bad cop with his most deplorable supporters a la Trump and Breitbart and hiring Sirota to be his Bannon-esque hit man while Sanders stays above the fray has been really effective so far. Combined with the luck of Biden's ineptitude, he's looking good for the nomination unless support behind one of the centrists coalesces rapidly.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:39 pm    Post subject:

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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Credit to Sanders for a well-run campaign so far. Undercut Warren and then pivot to moderating promises on healthcare after kneecapping her campaign.

If I were more of a cynic, I'd say that Bernie's early capitulation on M4A shows how feckless he is and that he's willing to continue the corpiratist healthcare run genocide against the poor.

To those who would argue that the other candidates were already making concessions on healthcare and that Sanders backing of M4A without compromise would give him a stronger starting point for negotiations...here's your boy via AOC publicly compromising to get elected and giving up his supposed stronger opening asking price.

Why? Because he knows as does everyone in the House and Senate that he would never have the Democratic votes to make his opening ask on M4A to make it a viable threat. Really well played by Sanders.

I also think it's brilliant for Bernie to be able to play good cop/bad cop with his most deplorable supporters a la Trump and Breitbart and hiring Sirota to be his Bannon-esque hit man while Sanders stays above the fray has been really effective so far. Combined with the luck of Biden's ineptitude, he's looking good for the nomination unless support behind one of the centrists coalesces rapidly.

Anyway, I voted for the superior progressive presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren in early voting for my Super Tuesday state and donated $100 bucks to her campaign tonight.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:49 pm    Post subject:

As an aside, I think Michael Bloomberg and every candidate in the race should release their medical records.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:58 pm    Post subject:

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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1110695059190697990
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:04 pm    Post subject:

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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1110695059190697990


They didn’t ask if he’d sign it (he would), but if he’d support it (he wouldn’t because it’s not the plan he wants). I find that consistent with his record.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:42 pm    Post subject:

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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1110695059190697990


Full warning. I'm transplanting what I would do if I'm him. I have no idea if he's thinking the same way.

But the same way GOP says. Don't change a thing with healthcare/remove the ACA. We need to say M4A. We can't negotiate against ourselves.

If those are the dividing lines. Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world. The 1-2% where Unions negotiate a healthcare plan that won't financially kill most of the rest of us. But it's a necessary evil. The same way coal minors should take a hit for more sustainable, healthier energy resources.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:53 pm    Post subject:

No judgement, but if the revolution Sanders promises is a revolution from people like greenfrog, what kind of revolution is it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject:

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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1110695059190697990


Full warning. I'm transplanting what I would do if I'm him. I have no idea if he's thinking the same way.

But the same way GOP says. Don't change a thing with healthcare/remove the ACA. We need to say M4A. We can't negotiate against ourselves.

If those are the dividing lines. Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world. The 1-2% where Unions negotiate a healthcare plan that won't financially kill most of the rest of us. But it's a necessary evil. The same way coal minors should take a hit for more sustainable, healthier energy resources.

I'm posting it because his surrogates are now months later pragmatically pivoting on Medicare 4 All after using it as a purity cudgel to weaken Sanders' opponents who supported healthcare reforms that deviated somewhat from Sanders' most extreme policy pisition. It makes one question whether Sanders isn't a win-at-all-costs narcissist who believes in nothing except the presidency.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:28 pm    Post subject:

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Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:37 pm    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1228072536849764352

How can you tell when someone never had to scrounge for insurance prior to the existence of Obamacare? This right here.

The "worst case scenario" is four more years of Trump and a Supreme Court that guts the ACA leaving millions uninsured.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject:

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AOC on likelihood of M4A getting passed: “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said. (H/t
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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1228072536849764352

How can you tell when someone never had to scrounge for insurance prior to the existence of Obamacare? This right here.

The "worst case scenario" is four more years of Trump and a Supreme Court that guts the ACA leaving millions uninsured.


You’re being silly. She’s saying worst case under the assumptions the Dems are in charge.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Alexandra Jaffe
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AOC on likelihood of M4A getting passed: “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said. (H/t
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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1228072536849764352

How can you tell when someone never had to scrounge for insurance prior to the existence of Obamacare? This right here.

The "worst case scenario" is four more years of Trump and a Supreme Court that guts the ACA leaving millions uninsured.


You’re being silly. She’s saying worst case under the assumptions the Dems are in charge.

Then delete it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:42 pm    Post subject:

Anyway, AOC is stupid for saying the quiet part loud in February.
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Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.


This exchange right here is why I spend so much time on this thread.
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kikanga wrote:
Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.


This exchange right here is why I spend so much time on this thread.

*fap fap fap*
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Surfitall wrote:
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kikanga wrote:
Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.


This exchange right here is why I spend so much time on this thread.


It’s more entertaining than the Jersey shore.
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The one good thing about President Bernie Sanders is how likely he is to die during his first term allowing his VP pick to maintain a Democratic White House until 2032.

This is an olive branch to Surfitall who thinks offering information about a 78-year-olds' heart attack surgery is equivalent to Amy Klobuchar informing the electorate about whether or not she can give birth at age 59: it's a good thing that Bernie is more likely to die than almost any other candidate in the field and you should embrace it.
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DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.


This exchange right here is why I spend so much time on this thread.


It’s more entertaining than the Jersey shore.


Keep your drama boners tucked fellas. He pretty much didn't internalize the sentences immediately following that one.

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I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world. The 1-2% where Unions negotiate a healthcare plan that won't financially kill most of the rest of us. But it's a necessary evil. The same way coal minors should take a hit for more sustainable, healthier energy resources.


Politically there is no one in this thread I identify moreso with than DMR. For the reasons he just said.

Never said DMR is mad about M4A. But in a very real way. He and his family will be one of the few who are worse off if M4A happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Sounds like on health care, Bernie and AOC answering political questions with... political answers, good ones too, worst case scenario we back up moderate’s plan, won’t publicly support it but would sign it, politics
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By the way, why is Barr ‘protecting himself’? He’s the fall guy? Always thought it’d be Kushner

He’s not. He’s just trying to get his boss to shut the (bleep) up so he can take care of their corrupt business. He wants trump to stop shouting the quiet part.
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kikanga wrote:
PartyMan wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Maybe our children will live in an America with universal coverage. I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world.


(bleep) you you disingenuous (bleep). Never in my time on this board have I seen anyone so blatantly and knowingly misrepresent someone. I have made it clear that I want EVERYONE to have full healthcare. Not only that, I have said I would gladly pay more in taxes to make sure that happens even while I continue to pay for my own premiums to keep my coverage. All I have said is that I would like that not to come at the exclusion of private health care that is working for my children and millions of others who have solid health care.

How dare you attempt to paint me as someone who wants what I want at the expense of others when you know full well that is not the case.


This exchange right here is why I spend so much time on this thread.


It’s more entertaining than the Jersey shore.


Keep your drama boners tucked fellas. He pretty much didn't internalize the sentences immediately following that one.

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I know that sucks for the DMR's of the world. The 1-2% where Unions negotiate a healthcare plan that won't financially kill most of the rest of us. But it's a necessary evil. The same way coal minors should take a hit for more sustainable, healthier energy resources.


Politically there is no one in this thread I identify moreso with than DMR. For the reasons he just said.

Never said DMR is mad about M4A. But in a very real way. He and his family will be one of the few who are worse off if M4A happens.


It’s just funny when the guy who continually misrepresents others gets upset and starts throwing out expletives when he is misrepresented.
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The one good thing about President Bernie Sanders is how likely he is to die during his first term allowing his VP pick to maintain a Democratic White House until 2032.

This is an olive branch to Surfitall who thinks offering information about a 78-year-olds' heart attack surgery is equivalent to Amy Klobuchar informing the electorate about whether or not she can give birth at age 59: it's a good thing that Bernie is more likely to die than almost any other candidate in the field and you should embrace it.

I do think AOC is a much smarter and more interesting leftist candidate than Bernie. If she's VP and becomes POTUS because of Bernie's faulty ticker through 2032, I'd be happy.
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PartyMan wrote:
It’s just funny when the guy who continually misrepresents others gets upset and starts throwing out expletives when he is misrepresented.


I'll blame myself for that failure in communication.

And at the same time, I'll be paying close attention to the the Nevada caucus. There are alot of unions there.
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