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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | In other words, you don't know. |
Not how a person of science would respond, ironically. So as I said, look within to get your answer, you don’t need me to hand feed it to you. |
Rf, the simple reality is that when people have the ability to back up an assertion with fact, they don't engage in meaningless and silly semantics trying to hide behind a front facing retreat.
They present the facts to back up their assertion.
You didn't do that.
And not because you didn't want to "hand feed the answer".
You didn't have the feed in your hand to begin with. |
Sureeeee uh huh. Not falling for it.
I just don’t think those who claim tribal membership to the Democratic Party are somehow ... impervious to bending data, facts, science to fuel an agenda.
If you do, well, that’s on you and we can agree to disagree but let the record show a denial of basic group dynamics amazingly in the favor of your own group.
It’s the old “Lakers fans are cut from a different cloth” argument. Lol. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | In other words, you don't know. |
Not how a person of science would respond, ironically. So as I said, look within to get your answer, you don’t need me to hand feed it to you. |
Rf, the simple reality is that when people have the ability to back up an assertion with fact, they don't engage in meaningless and silly semantics trying to hide behind a front facing retreat.
They present the facts to back up their assertion.
You didn't do that.
And not because you didn't want to "hand feed the answer".
You didn't have the feed in your hand to begin with. |
Sureeeee uh huh. Not falling for it.
I just don’t think those who claim tribal membership to the Democratic Party are somehow ... impervious to bending data, facts, science to fuel an agenda.
If you do, well, that’s on you and we can agree to disagree but let the record show a denial of basic group dynamics amazingly in the favor of your own group.
It’s the old “Lakers fans are cut from a different cloth” argument. Lol. |
AGAIN, that was not the point. What you are doing is taking a specific argument--Dems/Repubs/science and applying a far more general argument.
To help you here, I will say that Dems can be just as tribal as Republicans and can bend the facts, though I don't believe there is an equivalency.
There.
Now how about you telling us all the science that Democrats deny?
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| ringfinger wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | In other words, you don't know. |
Not how a person of science would respond, ironically. So as I said, look within to get your answer, you don’t need me to hand feed it to you. |
Rf, the simple reality is that when people have the ability to back up an assertion with fact, they don't engage in meaningless and silly semantics trying to hide behind a front facing retreat.
They present the facts to back up their assertion.
You didn't do that.
And not because you didn't want to "hand feed the answer".
You didn't have the feed in your hand to begin with. |
Sureeeee uh huh. Not falling for it.
I just don’t think those who claim tribal membership to the Democratic Party are somehow ... impervious to bending data, facts, science to fuel an agenda.
If you do, well, that’s on you and we can agree to disagree but let the record show a denial of basic group dynamics amazingly in the favor of your own group.
It’s the old “Lakers fans are cut from a different cloth” argument. Lol. |
The record does not show that at all. No one has denied any dynamic. Quite to the contrary, it has simple been pointed out (very clearly I might add) that it is a question of degree and motive.
However, the record does show that you keep willfully misrepresenting that fact.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it possible Jon Bolton did not sign a non disclosure agreement
Could he be some psychological plant... we will see |
First, I'm glad Jon Bolton is out. There are many kinds of dangerous Republicans and Trump covers just about all of them. Jon checked the last box.
Second, from what I've read and heard, government employees can't be held accountable for an NDA as their obligation is to the people and not to the wannabe King. |
And Savior . . . can't forget the Savior part . . . |
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I can't disagree there.
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Here's my favorite part of the article:
| Quote: | Sanders made a second statement contradicted by energy data. “In my city, Burlington, Vermont, the largest city in the state of Vermont, all of our energy is now renewable,” said Sanders.
Sanders appears to be referring to the fact that Burlington burns biomass for a significant portion of its electricity.
But according to the US Environmental Protection Agency, biomass power plants produce one-third more carbon emissions than coal plants. |
This dumbass thinks burning wood is "renewable". |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | This dumbass thinks burning wood is "renewable". |
While it's not a quickly renewable resource and it takes space to do so, it is by definition renewable.
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Something being carbon neutral and something being renewable are two completely different things.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: |
Something being carbon neutral and something being renewable are two completely different things. |
I understand Bernie's just looking for an out, but if you claim to care about climate change and reducing CO2 emissions it's a ridiculous explanation. They might as well just burn coal. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | I understand Bernie's just looking for an out, but if you claim to care about climate change and reducing CO2 emissions it's a ridiculous explanation. They might as well just burn coal. |
I'm not advocating for Bernie's position. I'm just addressing the question of renewability.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | I understand Bernie's just looking for an out, but if you claim to care about climate change and reducing CO2 emissions it's a ridiculous explanation. They might as well just burn coal. |
I'm not advocating for Bernie's position. I'm just addressing the question of renewability. |
Hey, oil is renewable. All you need are some dinosaurs, a couple hundred million years or so, and some cataclysmic event. . . .
If you think about it, we have exhausted some fairly large portion of all those dead dinosaurs, Ill say somewhere between 25-40%, considering peak oil, that 50% plateau, just keeps getting pushed back, though that is a very rough and uneducated guess. The point isn't exactly what percentage of all those dead dinosaurs that we've consumed, but that at the pace we are going, in something like 300 - 400 years total time, 1850 - 2250? (if we make it that far), the world will have consumed some 200 million years worth of dead dinosaurs.
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| ribeye wrote: | Hey, oil is renewable. All you need are some dinosaurs, a couple hundred million years or so, and some cataclysmic event. . . .
If you think about it, we have exhausted some fairly large portion of all those dead dinosaurs, Ill say somewhere between 25-40%, considering peak oil, that 50% plateau, just keeps getting pushed back, though that is a very rough and uneducated guess. The point isn't exactly what percentage of all those dead dinosaurs that we've consumed, but that at the pace we are going, in something like 300 - 400 years total time, 1850 - 2250? (if we make it that far), the world will have consumed some 200 million years worth of dead dinosaurs. |
FYI, it's mostly from plant material, algae and zooplankton. Dinosaurs not needed.
For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble...
As for where we are on the consumption curve, see Hubbert Peak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | PartyMan wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Ribeye, I know I spoil this thread when I engage too much. Especially on politics so I’m avoiding that.
So all I am going to say, is that if you think your group doesn’t engage in some of the natural behaviors of group dynamics, well, that is denying the science. It happens and it is natural. |
I don't believe that was ever the point.
The point that was brought up, you know one more of those, both sides do it, was that both Democrats and Republicans deny science. I simply asked for examples of this by Democrats. |
https://twitter.com/ilhan/status/1092821831977975808?lang=en
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190723092111.htm |
I do appreciate actual responses.
What should be noticed, however, was that Ilhan's letter was in Jan, 2019 and this research article was in July, 2019. Also, though the research conclusions do make sense, I'm unsure if this is completely settled, or consensus, science. |
Yes, it is refreshing when someone chooses to actually engage in the discussion with concrete facts rather than dance around making excuses and pretending everyone else is the problem.
I would point out that rather than illustrate that "both sides are the same", the above actually does the opposite.
When one has to reach for a particular individual discussing a very specific subject that is not entirely conclusive, that is extremely different than the GOP as a whole denying a very real and significant problem that literally affects humanity.
As has been said every time this subject comes up, it is a matter of degree and severity that sets the two parties apart, and they are so far apart in that regard that it renders the idea that "both parties are the same" meaningless. |
Ribeye: to me, at the risk of being labeled sexist, it’s just common sense. I didn’t see when the study was published and I won’t look into it further, but I’m sure there’s one from before 2019 out there.
DMR: I agree the pontential impacts of climate change are far greater than the example I showed of “both sides doing it.” I just remembered that from earlier this year and it was an example like ribeye was hoping for. 
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| ribeye wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
The two sides don’t deny science on the same things. They deny science on different things. That’s the whole point.
They are both standing on a perch declaring the other side a science denier.
Both parties will use science when it is convenient for their agenda, and challenge it when it isnt. |
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I asked LaLa this once and I will ask this of both of you again. What science is it that Democrats deny? |
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Why do we always play this game with RF?
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For the biggest fans of Elizabeth Warren, and that has to include CL:
Elizabeth Warren leads Joe Biden in ranked-choice poll
For those unfamiliar with ranked-choice:
| Quote: | | The way ranked-choice voting works is that candidates with fewer votes are eliminated, and then their votes are redistributed to whomever each voter designated as their next-ranked preference. For instance, a voter could rank Sen. Bernie Sanders as their first choice and Warren as their second choice — meaning that, if Sanders was eliminated, this vote would be transferred to Warren. |
The end result, and the interim one's as well, can be seen at the link.
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| ribeye wrote: | For the biggest fans of Elizabeth Warren, and that has to include CL:
Elizabeth Warren leads Joe Biden in ranked-choice poll
For those unfamiliar with ranked-choice:
| Quote: | | The way ranked-choice voting works is that candidates with fewer votes are eliminated, and then their votes are redistributed to whomever each voter designated as their next-ranked preference. For instance, a voter could rank Sen. Bernie Sanders as their first choice and Warren as their second choice — meaning that, if Sanders was eliminated, this vote would be transferred to Warren. |
The end result, and the interim one's as well, can be seen at the link. |
Completely flawed poll.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:28 am Post subject: |
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There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
Heavyweight fight tonight, who gonna look better, the centrist or the progressive |
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| governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
Heavyweight fight tonight, who gonna look better, the centrist or the progressive |
I predict Elizabeth Warren will win the debate but Biden will still get the nomination. I hope they don't attack one another. I want to hear their policies and plans.
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| jodeke wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
Heavyweight fight tonight, who gonna look better, the centrist or the progressive |
I predict Elizabeth Warren will win the debate but Biden will still get the nomination. I hope they don't attack one another. I want to hear their policies and plans. |
It looks like she's being set up to be sandbagged. The Rendell editorial today calling her a hypocrite, and the NYT article about her fundraising. I expect Grampa Joe to gracefully allude to avoiding a candidate who lacks authenticity (not another Hillary, in other words). |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
Been moved to 8:30 EST, If this stands it'll start in 8 minutes.
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| jodeke wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | There was a similar poll based on ranking several weeks ago with the same basic result.
Tonight's debate will be the first time Warren and Biden are on the same stage together. The contrast should be interesting.
The debate will be on ABC at 8:00 pm EST. |
Been moved to 8:30 EST, If this stands it'll start in 8 minutes. |
They must be doing a tape delay because the debate's been going since 8:00 pm (you can watch live various places online). (I'm DVR'ing to watch later because I'm working.) |
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