Seems like an odd result compared to the other polls.
But I'll agree with that result in regards to preferring Bernie over Biden. Outside of that, there'e probably 4 or 5 candidates before I get to Bernie. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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We all know the senate GOP most likely will defeat an impeachment attempt unless house Dems make such a convincing case and put such a pressure for the public to see.
what I don’t get is, even if the senate GOP choose to block the impeachment and the GOP base will use it as a ‘victory’... wouldn’t it be great for the Dems and American in general to have the case laid out to the public in a convincing matter, a year from election... how would the outcome of impeachment be a negative thing or would help trump re-elected? Unless the house Dems is unable to present such a case which they should be able to. It can only energize the independents (the GOP base and Dems base are already charged up)
Yes. But then it is still a gamble. I would love to see it laid out, hear the damning testimony, in our living rooms day after day. I don't see how that could hurt. Now, on the other side of the coin, after all that, Trump and his flock in Congress, will say say, no collusion, no collusion; The Dems are wasting time instead of solving problems--which won't ever be solved with McConnell heading the Senate. Which will sway more? Who can really say with any authority.
It’s a gamble for sure but GOP/Trump saying no collusion over and over would only energize its base. There’s a large swath of Americans who simply don’t like having a traitor whether it’s by law or by ethical conduct (even if not ‘breaking’ the law. I think the house Dems have enough to make a case to the American people
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:10 pm Post subject:
Surfitall wrote:
Someone posted this on my Facebook feed and I thought it was pretty good, even though I’m not 100% on everything he says, I thought I’d post it here:
I've always been a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does.
Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:
As a fellow hard core liberal, I say well done in eloquently and thoroughly describing the basic tenets of liberalism.
The interesting thing this, I have a feeling that more Trump voters/supporters than we may think believe in some of those things. A slim majority of Republicans, for example, now think that weed should be legalized at the federal level.
The problem is, they HATE liberals. Not so much because of our policies, but because they think we're too "politically correct", or because they think we're full-on "socialists", when in reality even Bernie Sanders isn't really a socialist, he simply wants more elements of socialism to keep capitalism in check.
I think we as liberals have a marketing problem, where we need to effectively sell our vision and policies to swing voters and any non-liberals who will actually listen. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:49 pm Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
I think we as liberals have a marketing problem, where we need to effectively sell our vision and policies to swing voters and any non-liberals who will actually listen.
That we do. It's a tough task, but I think it is doable if that vision is clear and concrete. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
I think we as liberals have a marketing problem, where we need to effectively sell our vision and policies to swing voters and any non-liberals who will actually listen.
That we do. It's a tough task, but I think it is doable if that vision is clear and concrete.
And bill Maher has made this point like, forever- it’s one of the tenets of his show- time to give Bill some credit yeah? _________________ Creatures crawl in search of blood, To terrorize y'alls neighborhood.
Seems like an odd result compared to the other polls.
But I'll agree with that result in regards to preferring Bernie over Biden. Outside of that, there'e probably 4 or 5 candidates before I get to Bernie.
You're right that it's odd -- it's misleading commmentary. It doesn't adjust for name recognition. So yeah, it shows that Bernie is more well-liked than Biden by Democrats (both have near universal name recognition) but you can't compare Harris, Warren, etc. because they're still not well known.
If you look only at people who have an opinion, then Bernie (72/79=81%) and Biden (80%) are actually trailing Kamala (83%) and Warren (82%).
Don't get me wrong, this isn't decisive proof that Bernie isn't the most popular candidate. It's just not any evidence at all that he is. Bernie fans have a long history of using misleading information to overstate Bernie's popularity.
WASHINGTON—With Iranian military threats in mind, the United States is sending American forces, including fighter aircraft, air defense missiles and likely more than 500 troops to a Saudi airbase that became a hub of American airpower in the Middle East in the 1990s but was abandoned by Washington after it toppled Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein in 2003.
The Saudi Foreign Ministry announced the basing agreement Friday without mentioning details.
And so it begins
Also.. British airways cancelled flights to and from Cairo for a week due to security.. hmm
Just watching bits of the Trump rally at Nuremberg, I mean North Carolina.
There were lots of kids there. Those parents must be so proud. I imagine a generation of despicable adults. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:07 am Post subject:
eddiejonze wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I think we as liberals have a marketing problem, where we need to effectively sell our vision and policies to swing voters and any non-liberals who will actually listen.
That we do. It's a tough task, but I think it is doable if that vision is clear and concrete.
And bill Maher has made this point like, forever- it’s one of the tenets of his show- time to give Bill some credit yeah?
So have a lot of people. I know you're a fan. Enjoy the show. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Someone posted this on my Facebook feed and I thought it was pretty good, even though I’m not 100% on everything he says, I thought I’d post it here:
I've always been a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does.
Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines: . . .
Excellent breakdown with a very practical and reasonable explanation.
Yes, I agree with all but #14 (PC-ness), where I agree in large part, but not in totality. I agree that if someone wants to be addressed as x, I should not address them as y -- well unless someone is a Trump who has no regard for anyone who doesn't fill his pockets, kiss his arse, or tell him how wonderful he is. I also don't think comedians should be condemned if they target someone or some group in humor. Humor is good.
Agreed, but I didn't interpret 14 as saying any differently.
In the vein of this question, was a question from a new, and very fascinating, PEW poll:
Quote:
A large share of Americans say it is important to them personally to use language that does not cause offense, and an even larger majority say they are confident that the language they use is not offensive to other people.
As I often try to see how I would answer these to see where I stand with the nation overall, to the question that followed, how important is it personally to use language that other people do not feel is offensive, I felt I would say I was closer to very important than to somewhat important.
I was thinking in terms of being PC. But then I thought, hell, I have no problems offending people with narrow-minded, ignorant, belief rather than fact based, anti-science, selective in use of religion, demagogic, racist, misogynist, bigoted, nativist, or xenophobic views--in other words, some - nearly all Republicans.
In other words, offending someone for who they are is off limits, but offending someone with beliefs that are harmful to the greater good, no problem.
Now, I don't know how Republicans interpreted the question, but 86% felt they were very confident or somewhat confident that don't use language that is offensive to others. While that may or may not be actually true, Republicans, by some 80-90%, have a favorable view of the most offensive American politician in our lifetime (his most notable attribute), if not forever. That would appear to be textbook cognitive dissonance. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:45 pm Post subject:
Liberals have always been painted as
Steal your money by raising your taxes
Take away all the guns
Pro No Borders
The liberals accepted the gays and transexuals so they must be a non christian party.. and they accept abortion...might never reach the Evangelicals
Without calling the Republicans voters supporters of Evil.. they will just double down.. How do we get the TRUTH to them
The TRUTH about Republican
Tax Cuts for the Wealthiest among us.
FAILURES at balancing budgets
Liberals/Democrats respect your money more than voters realize.. Notice the fact that they always work to bring down the budget deficit while not raising taxes on the common voter and
Seeking to take care of Every American
>>caring about more than flag waving and bomb dropping ..
Democrats care about your Health Care and your Education and helping keep you safe from Predatory BIG Banks/Pharma
**Warren could do similar to Trump and tap into the anger towards
Rent and Wages
Rising Education costs
Big Banks Big Pharma etc..
Hate for the Planet.. Republicans hate Earth.
I would happily vote for Bernie in the General Election. I'd walk over glass, uphill, both ways to the polling station if need be.
But the reason I prefer Warren in the primary is because she explains how she's going to enact progressive policy better than Bernie has up to this point. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I would happily vote for Bernie in the General Election. I'd walk over glass, uphill, both ways to the polling station if need be.
But the reason I prefer Warren in the primary is because she explains how she's going to enact progressive policy better than Bernie has up to this point.
[bernie]REVOLUTION![/bernie] _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
I would happily vote for Bernie in the General Election. I'd walk over glass, uphill, both ways to the polling station if need be.
But the reason I prefer Warren in the primary is because she explains how she's going to enact progressive policy better than Bernie has up to this point.
[bernie]REVOLUTION![/bernie]
Interviewer: "Senator Sanders. What are your plans to combat the growing threat of automation to working class Americans?"
Sanders: _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I didn’t mean the snark wasn’t accurate. I am stunned they got fired. Not because they don’t deserve it. But because tons of cops get away with actual violence and barely get reprimanded _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Something different, speaking about superficial stuff.
Keep America Great... actually smart, much better than MAGA as a slogan. Still nothing tops ‘Si Se Puede’, positive and inspiring.
Do we have our candidates slogan yet (like I’m with Her 2016)?
Yang - UBI
That’s the only one I know
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:58 pm Post subject:
DTV dropped KCBS & KCAL two stations I watch. While talking to the representative the conversation got to politics. He said something that should have been obvious to me. He said the red maga hats made him think of a red arm band. LINK He like myself is nervous about 2020. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
I didn’t mean the snark wasn’t accurate. I am stunned they got fired. Not because they don’t deserve it. But because tons of cops get away with actual violence and barely get reprimanded
This is an example of the problems that can be had with using sarcasm or snark. The reader doesn't always understand the meaning. Here, It's a Beautiful World by Devo is totally snark. I used it as such. When I used their words in reply to you, I turned the snark off, meaning it is (truly) a beautiful world (at least in this case) to see some kind of justice. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
WHY Is there an economic crisis to be staved off? The economic crisis was a planned terrorist attack on Americans called Trump's Tax cuts along with incredibly destructive tariffs...
Now the whole department of Justice CBP ICE FBI GOP are working to protect Comrade Trump
How does our political system have so little integrity and no way to actually protect us from a Terrorist president and Terrorist political party
Federal Election Campaign Act Law
Fecal?
Was it a joke on us all?
Mueller and his whole team are chumps anti American bootlickers.. Afraid to protect our country
Speak the truth and make sure people understand THIS ISNT POLITICAL
Media painting his reluctance to talk on not wanting to get involved in politics..
This is not Political unless you're a lifelong Republican who has worked with and supported William Barr your whole career?
Why is protecting America Political?
A Russian Asset/Terrorist is POTUS and people don't want to be political?
Isn't about politics
I feel like no longer caring/giving up. But that is how Terrorists win
Six questions I would like to see asked of Mueller:
1. Yes or no, did you determine that there was no collusion between Donald Trump and/or his team, with Russia?
2. Since 1024 attorneys, attorneys generals and others of similar backgrounds, with only seeing the unredacted findings, and none the evidence, signed a letter that stated:
"Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,"
do you object to their statement?
3. Did Barr, or any of the individuals that you reported to, cause you to alter the content of your report or your findings, or to prematurely bring the case to a close?
4.
a) Do you agree with the Justice Department policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted?
b) Is a sitting president above the law?
c) How, then, since a president who may have committed a crime cannot be indicted, and is also is not above the law, can justice be served?
5. Do you know why the campaign finance investigation was quietly closed by The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York with only Michael Cohen being indicated and convicted?
6.
a) Is Donald Trump, Individual number 1, as indicated in the various Michael Cohen indictments?
b) Was it stated, under oath, that Cohen committed at least two felonies at the request and behalf of Donald Trump? _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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