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| ringfinger wrote: | ribeye, why wasn’t AOC fighting racism though?
If that is how she perceived it, does that then not make Pelosi a weed worth removig from the lawn? |
AOC constantly fights racism. In this particular instance she felt Pelosi was singling out people of color. I don't know why she chose the words she did, but let's give this a worse case scenario, that she meant the words exactly as stated--which I don't believe is true--then she made a mistake.
I refuse to focus on the outlier here (as though this is the norm), jump on the right-wing attack bandwagon over a singular comment directed against a colleague who has not expressed anger, when Trump likely makes 10 times that many, 10 times worse, before his first piss in the morning.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Due to low birth rates of white Americans, by something like 2040, whites will no longer be the "majority" in America.
But, b/c of the following (and there are many more), they will try to maintain hegemony in this country (and it all falls along what the GOP is promoting):
1. guns, guns, guns
2. Gerrymandering
3. vote suppression
4. wealth preservation (estate and other wealth preservation tactics)
5. capital gains and making money from nothing
6. ensuring poor people remain sick (health care)
7. making sure the Electoral College is never challenged (I don't think a GOP president will capture the popular vote again for a long time).
Just some things that are literally GOP objectives that point to...preservation of white America in the face of a declining white American population. |
Good post. Watch the "white hispanic" vote over time, though. The Irish and Italian immigrant communities have gained equal caucasian status over the past several decades after being otherized in the 19th and early 20th century. Similarly, there may be a lot more Ted Cruzes by 2040 as caucasity expands to incorporate large swaths of the Hispanic population to maintain a racial hegemony in the U.S. |
Oh yeah. Within the community there is the dark/light skin divide too. Totally agree. |
I think it helps partially explain why the GOP hasn't hemorrhaged Hispanic voters like they have votes from other minority groups in the era of Trump. |
There is a tendency of Latinx Catholics to be socially conservative, and also a tendency of longer term, more middle class Latinx to look down on recent immigrants.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: |
If an impeachment inquiry doesn't start after the Mueller testimony this month. I doubt it ever will. But as long as we keep the House in 2020 so we can write strongly worded letters to President Trump. I guess it'll be worth it. |
"We've successfully voted today to enter a non-binding censure of President-for-Life Trump's Tweet advocating 'all migrants crossing the border to be shot on sight' into the Congressional record. We as representatives of the American people will not stand for such racially tinged calls for genocide."
I think you're right about the timing of the Mueller testimony. I pray that will be the launch point for impeachment hearings (narrator from the future: "they weren't.") |
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| ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | ribeye, why wasn’t AOC fighting racism though?
If that is how she perceived it, does that then not make Pelosi a weed worth removig from the lawn? |
AOC constantly fights racism. In this particular instance she felt Pelosi was singling out people of color. I don't know why she chose the words she did, but let's give this a worse case scenario, that she meant the words exactly as stated--which I don't believe is true--then she made a mistake.
I refuse to focus on the outlier here (as though this is the norm), jump on the right-wing attack bandwagon over a singular comment directed against a colleague who has not expressed anger, when Trump likely makes 10 times that many, 10 times worse, before his first piss in the morning. |
But again — Pelosi is a racist if the victim says so, no? And racists must be removed, no? And ALL must be fought and purged, no??? (Rhetorical question)
Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. The problem is that your threshold for what is absurd is obviously higher than AOC and then lower than mine, for instance.
But when we fail to make those distinctions, that’s how we kill our grass in attempts to get the weeds.
You’re making a distinction just like I do, we just make them at different points. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. |
*Looks at headline after headline from 2016 that says Obama's Presidency proved racism is on the decline*
 What absurd racist accusations led to Trump's election?
Please say birtherism, please say birtherism
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But again — Pelosi is a racist if the victim says so, no? And racists must be removed, no? And ALL must be fought and purged, no??? (Rhetorical question)
Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. The problem is that your threshold for what is absurd is obviously higher than AOC and then lower than mine, for instance.
But when we fail to make those distinctions, that’s how we kill our grass in attempts to get the weeds.
You’re making a distinction just like I do, we just make them at different points. |
personally, do you think Trump is racist or that's an absurd accusation? |
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| governator wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
But again — Pelosi is a racist if the victim says so, no? And racists must be removed, no? And ALL must be fought and purged, no??? (Rhetorical question)
Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. The problem is that your threshold for what is absurd is obviously higher than AOC and then lower than mine, for instance.
But when we fail to make those distinctions, that’s how we kill our grass in attempts to get the weeds.
You’re making a distinction just like I do, we just make them at different points. |
personally, do you think Trump is racist or that's an absurd accusation? |
Quoting unfounded racist accusations after Trump is elected isn't an effective argument for saying absurd racist acccusations led to Trump being elected almost 4 years ago. In 2016 America was patting itself on the back for electing a black President for 8 years.
It's a bad argument.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | ribeye, why wasn’t AOC fighting racism though?
If that is how she perceived it, does that then not make Pelosi a weed worth removig from the lawn? |
AOC constantly fights racism. In this particular instance she felt Pelosi was singling out people of color. I don't know why she chose the words she did, but let's give this a worse case scenario, that she meant the words exactly as stated--which I don't believe is true--then she made a mistake.
I refuse to focus on the outlier here (as though this is the norm), jump on the right-wing attack bandwagon over a singular comment directed against a colleague who has not expressed anger, when Trump likely makes 10 times that many, 10 times worse, before his first piss in the morning. |
But again — Pelosi is a racist if the victim says so, no? And racists must be removed, no? And ALL must be fought and purged, no??? (Rhetorical question)
Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. The problem is that your threshold for what is absurd is obviously higher than AOC and then lower than mine, for instance.
But when we fail to make those distinctions, that’s how we kill our grass in attempts to get the weeds.
You’re making a distinction just like I do, we just make them at different points. |
First, you must be a aware that friends can say things to friends, or husbands (or wives) can say things to other men (or women) or colleagues can say thing to collegues that are not acceptable from outsiders. I hope you get that.
AOC did not say Pelosi was a racist; she said she was singling out people of color, which she was. Was color the motivator, I doubt it, but that was the phasing of choice, likely a poor choice. You provide one isolated example of a poor choice of words and run with it like it is the norm. An isolated example is not the norm. With Trump on the other hand, it s a regular occurrence--that can't be tolerated.
Now it is your turn to tell me of all the racist allegations you find absurd. It is quite odd (not) that you chose an isolated example that received more play from conservatives than Democrats, who, just like you, wanted to make a ridiculous false equivalency.
So, let's hear 'em.
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I, too, love to reduce racism down to white people just secretly wanting to use the N-word in public again.
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Claiming AOC's comments towards Pelosi 3-4 years into Trump's presidency led to Trump being elected is like claiming Jason Collins playing in the NBA is why don't ask don't tell started in 1994.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Racism is not a plant to cultivate. It is a weed that continues to appear in your garden and needs to be attacked when it does. Doing so doesn't feed the growth or the appearance of the weeds. |
You have a much better ability or desire to "speak" his language--and no, not meant as a back-handed compliment. |
Considering he completely missed the boat on it, no.
Racism isnt the plant. *sigh*
Social change is the plant.
Sigh. |
Did you actually read what he said? |
Is that a joke? That is an impossible ask! Haha
Using his analogy, where the left is today, they are spraying weed killer on everything green, and then scratching their heads as to why their lawn is trashed all while ordering more weed killer!
Not all things that look like a weed, may actually be a weed.
Can you taste what I’m hearing? |
Wow. A horribly mixed metaphor along with the manure.
What you say there is absolutely most inaccurate thing you have ever said, which is a monumental achievement. |
When you’ve got AOC fighting racism by implying Pelosi is one, that is killing grass, not a weed. |
And it's this kind of intellectual dishonesty makes having any discussion with you pointless.
Let's break it down:
| Quote: | | where the left is today, they are spraying weed killer on everything green, |
One individual citing one example of where she felt race was a factor in a disagreement with one other individual is evidence of the extreme exaggeration you describe in your analogy?
Hardly.
Your attempt to justify your outlandish statement doesn't hold the water that you were hoping to nurture your failed plant analogy with.
The reality is that despite AOC's singular comment in regards to Pelosi, "the left" is not indiscriminately and consistently pointing at everything they see and hear from the right and irrationally deeming it racist.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | I, too, love to reduce racism down to white people just secretly wanting to use the N-word in public again. |
I'm white and my childhood is scarred by Racists dragging a black man behind some (bleep) pickup truck in 1998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.
Cannot imagine how much worse I would feel if I were black and knew there were a bunch of inbreds who thought they were superior to me and wanted to kill me
Notice in that wiki page how (bleep) up our prisons are.. sigh.. people go in and are forced to join psycho gangs to protect their life.. Great way to reform people |
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Pelosi is white and I sincerely doubt.. even given all her years.. she has fought racism the same way AOC has to..
ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement has a secret facebook group with 9500 members.. SECRET facebook group where they make fun of dead illegals
They also have horribly edited XXX pics of graphic (bleep) with AOC
How many DEATH THREATS does Pelosi receive compared to AOC and Omar and the other ladies
A Trump rally... Great place to set off a Fuel Air Bomb.. but I digress.. he just got his rally to chant SEND HER BACK.. about Omar Ilhan..
The (bleep) pig even RESTATED A LIE THAT SHE MARRIED HER BROTHER..
(bleep) everyone that defends trump and his racism.. ban me if necessary..
Anyone that defends racism.. GO (bleep) YOURSELF |
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| ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | ribeye, why wasn’t AOC fighting racism though?
If that is how she perceived it, does that then not make Pelosi a weed worth removig from the lawn? |
AOC constantly fights racism. In this particular instance she felt Pelosi was singling out people of color. I don't know why she chose the words she did, but let's give this a worse case scenario, that she meant the words exactly as stated--which I don't believe is true--then she made a mistake.
I refuse to focus on the outlier here (as though this is the norm), jump on the right-wing attack bandwagon over a singular comment directed against a colleague who has not expressed anger, when Trump likely makes 10 times that many, 10 times worse, before his first piss in the morning. |
But again — Pelosi is a racist if the victim says so, no? And racists must be removed, no? And ALL must be fought and purged, no??? (Rhetorical question)
Absurd racist accusations are the norm, that’s my point. The problem is that your threshold for what is absurd is obviously higher than AOC and then lower than mine, for instance.
But when we fail to make those distinctions, that’s how we kill our grass in attempts to get the weeds.
You’re making a distinction just like I do, we just make them at different points. |
First, you must be a aware that friends can say things to friends, or husbands (or wives) can say things to other men (or women) or colleagues can say thing to collegues that are not acceptable from outsiders. I hope you get that.
AOC did not say Pelosi was a racist; she said she was singling out people of color, which she was. Was color the motivator, I doubt it, but that was the phasing of choice, likely a poor choice. You provide one isolated example of a poor choice of words and run with it like it is the norm. An isolated example is not the norm. With Trump on the other hand, it s a regular occurrence--that can't be tolerated.
Now it is your turn to tell me of all the racist allegations you find absurd. It is quite odd (not) that you chose an isolated example that received more play from conservatives than Democrats, who, just like you, wanted to make a ridiculous false equivalency.
So, let's hear 'em. |
This is why I don’t go into specific examples. See DMR’s post. And yours. I’m not doing your work for you. I’ve been popping in since like 2015 saying umm guys this will happen if we keep doing that and it is the same dismissive responses from the same squad. It’s 4 years later and somehow there is bewilderment. Lol.
Fwiw, you have people within your own party saying the same thing. If you still arent confused by what I said at least go read what they have to say. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Claiming AOC's comments towards Pelosi 3-4 years into Trump's presidency led to Trump being elected is like claiming Jason Collins playing in the NBA is why don't ask don't tell started in 1994. |
Claiming AOC is the smartest person to have ever lived is like saying Kwame Brown was the best rookie ever drafted. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Oh my goodness. It appears the President of the United States committed a crime! I'm gonna have to sit down for a while. This news is shocking.
| Quote: | | According to the files, phone records showed that Cohen had calls with Trump, then-Trump campaign press secretary Hope Hicks, AMI CEO David Pecker, and AMI Chief Content Officer Dylan Howard at a key point in the 2016 campaign. (Hicks, who also served as White House communications director, is now the executive vice president and chief communications officer for Fox Corporation. Fox News is a subsidiary of Fox Corporation.) |
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-cohen-probe-court-files
I'm quoting Fox News because the bolded makes me laugh. |
Maybe the House should start an impeachment inquiry or something. |
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/trump-impeachment-house-vote/index.html
(CNN)The House on Wednesday easily defeated an effort from a Texas Democrat to impeach President Donald Trump in a vote that highlighted the Democratic fissures when it comes to impeachment.
Rep. Al Green was able to force the vote under House rules — the first that Congress has taken related to impeachment since Democrats took control of the chamber this year — in what amounted to the most direct challenge yet to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's handling of impeachment.
The 332-95 vote divided Democrats, with 95 — a little more than 40% of the Democratic caucus -- voting against tabling it, or voting to keep it alive. There were 137 Democrats who joined all Republicans in voting to defeat the measure. |
That was a vote for impeachment not to open an impeachment inquiry/hold impeachment hearings. If Pelosi gave the signal, I bet you'd see 200+ votes pretty quickly. |
If an impeachment inquiry doesn't start after the Mueller testimony this month. I doubt it ever will. But as long as we keep the House in 2020 so we can write strongly worded letters to President Trump. I guess it'll be worth it. |
"We've successfully voted today to enter a non-binding censure of President-for-Life Trump's Tweet advocating 'all migrants crossing the border to be shot on sight' into the Congressional record. We as representatives of the American people will not stand for such racially tinged calls for genocide."
I think you're right about the timing of the Mueller testimony. I pray that will be the launch point for impeachment hearings (narrator from the future: "they weren't.") |
Always in Ron Howard's voice. |
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This is why I don’t go into specific examples. |
You don't because you can't.
If what you say about Dems pointing to everything and errantly declaring "racism" is even remotely accurate, you would have a litany of examples.
You offered one (that was a stretch at best) and then beg off.
That sums it all up right there
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You need to brush on the differences in the concepts of correlation and causation.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Claiming AOC's comments towards Pelosi 3-4 years into Trump's presidency led to Trump being elected is like claiming Jason Collins playing in the NBA is why don't ask don't tell started in 1994. |
Claiming AOC is the smartest person to have ever lived is like saying Kwame Brown was the best rookie ever drafted. |
Notice you're making a metaphor I never made? Meanwhile I mentioned an AoC comment you and Fox News made? Why are you expending all this energy to prentend you are a Democrat?
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Ring. Please acknowledge the image I posted. https://i.redd.it/wy6jt3lwn1b31.jpg
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You would have to be the dumbest human in existence to think Trump and his quiet supporters are not racist to the core.. we even have a moderate in here supporting their slow progressive racist stance.. as long as you don't start with ovens its ok
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Please acknowledge
https://www.newsweek.com/lindsey-graham-trump-not-racist-tweets-1450060
| Quote: | The senator's flip led historian and author Kevin Kruse to share a video compilation posted by writer Dusty Giebel highlighting Graham's change of heart.
Graham's "If you think he's a racist, that's up to you—I don't" remark from today is followed by a clip of him from 2015 saying "he's a race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot."
"He doesn't represent my party," Graham continues about Trump the year before he won the presidency. "He doesn't represent the values that the men and women who are wearing the uniform are fighting for."
And here's the video of both, plus more. Lindsey contains multitudes.
https://t.co/x0QngP6dlk
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) July 18, 2019
The video, which Giebel titled "Lindsey Graham vs Lindsey Graham," includes more contradicting statements overtime by the senator.
"I'm not gonna try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office," Graham says in a clip from the past. |
We need to start directing our HATE to them
FWIW.. Rand Paul that sissified (bleep) attached to Trumps left nut.. yes him.. his neighbor that broke his ribs.. only got 30 days.. so what did our prima dona do..
First off petitioned the court to force him to get a federal sentence because he attacked a Congressman... <<didn't win
Then he sued him for pain and suffering AND WON near a half a million dollars
These are the pieces of (bleep) Americans vote for.. |
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haha. Don wants Mario and Luigi to go back to where they came from, and little angry mushrooms are abundant in this game.
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