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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject:

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As an immigrant and a refugee, seeing that only four out of almost 200 Republicans in the House condemned his racism and xenophobia is yet another indication that I'm not welcomed in this country by a huge chunk of the population.

In some ways, this was the saddest day of this awful presidency.


Sad and disturbing. Watching the lengths virtually every single Republican, whether they be elected official or average Joe, contort themselves in the impossible effort to avoid the word "racist" in regards to Trump has been exhausting.

The "good" news, they are finally revealing themselves for what they truly are - people who are either racist, or completely cool with racism.

An actual exchange (slightly, and I mean very slightly, paraphrased):

Chris Cuomo: If Trump said, "Yeah, I'm a racist." Would you still support him?

Kris Kobach (R-Kansas): (loooooooooong pensive pause) . . .

Cuomo (stunned): You have to think about it . . . !?

Kobach (with no hint of irony): Well, who is he running against . . . ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:48 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:13 pm    Post subject:

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Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening, a move that could force the House to take up the controversial subject later this week over the opposition of Democratic leaders


That was not a good move. That was grandstanding on a day that should have been left to the news of the vote to condemn Trump. It simply bolsters the GOP attempts to claim that the Dems are overly aggressive.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:25 pm    Post subject:

I don't know what the political climate will look like if we impeach. I just know what the no impeachment climate we're living in right now looks like. And it's not great. Alot of the Dem's intraparty discontent (from legislators and voters) comes from no impeachment. I doubt leading up to the 2018 elections, Dem voters imagined we'd do this little in terms of checking Trump if we took back the House.
GOP will call Dems overagressive whether we impeach or not. They thought a strongly worded statement from Pelosi was too much.

I wish Green would've waited to get the support of the party leaders though.
Mueller still hasn't answered questions in a public hearing yet.

Looking forward to Republicans explaining why Trump isn't impeachable eventually. CL's list from last page is pretty damning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject:

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I don't know what the political climate will look like if we impeach. I just know what the no impeachment climate we're living in right now looks like. And it's not great. Alot of the Dem's intraparty discontent (from legislators and voters) comes from no impeachment. I doubt leading up to the 2018 elections, Dem voters imagined we'd do this little in terms of checking Trump if we took back the House.
GOP will call Dems overagressive whether we impeach or not. They thought a strongly worded statement from Pelosi was too much.

I wish Green would've waited to get the support of the party leaders though.
Mueller still hasn't answered questions in a public hearing yet.

Looking forward to Republicans explaining why Trump isn't impeachable eventually. CL's list from last page is pretty damning.


I don't disagree with any of that. But today was not the day bring it up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:42 pm    Post subject:

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As an immigrant and a refugee, seeing that only four out of almost 200 Republicans in the House condemned his racism and xenophobia is yet another indication that I'm not welcomed in this country by a huge chunk of the population.

In some ways, this was the saddest day of this awful presidency.


Sad and disturbing. Watching the lengths virtually every single Republican, whether they be elected official or average Joe, contort themselves in the impossible effort to avoid the word "racist" in regards to Trump has been exhausting.

The "good" news, they are finally revealing themselves for what they truly are - people who are either racist, or completely cool with racism.

An actual exchange (slightly, and I mean very slightly, paraphrased):

Chris Cuomo: If Trump said, "Yeah, I'm a racist." Would you still support him?

Kris Kobach (R-Kansas): (loooooooooong pensive pause) . . .

Cuomo (stunned): You have to think about it . . . !?

Kobach (with no hint of irony): Well, who is he running against . . . ?


Yep. Disgusting. This is how Roy Moore barely loses in Alabama, by the way. That's what it took for a Democrat to win in that state.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject:

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I don't know what the political climate will look like if we impeach. I just know what the no impeachment climate we're living in right now looks like. And it's not great. Alot of the Dem's intraparty discontent (from legislators and voters) comes from no impeachment. I doubt leading up to the 2018 elections, Dem voters imagined we'd do this little in terms of checking Trump if we took back the House.
GOP will call Dems overagressive whether we impeach or not. They thought a strongly worded statement from Pelosi was too much.

I wish Green would've waited to get the support of the party leaders though.
Mueller still hasn't answered questions in a public hearing yet.

Looking forward to Republicans explaining why Trump isn't impeachable eventually. CL's list from last page is pretty damning.


I don't disagree with any of that. But today was not the day bring it up.


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject:

Racial Supremacy seems like a defense mechanism of sorts to cover up for some fragile ego issues

Too stupid to get along.. then turn into a bully.. Yay Murica
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:33 pm    Post subject:

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DMR and I rarely agree on anything but we agree on this. If Trump were strategic, he would have created a different distraction. If your opponents are tearing each other apart, you’d find a way to highlight that. Instead of the story being about the Dems circular firing squad, he shifted the narrative to his xenophobic tweet and gave his opponents a rallying point. Yes, it is still a distraction but not an advisable one IMO and I’m inclined to believe he is more of a wrecking ball (that sometimes hits the wrong building) than a demo hammer that is more precise and deliberate.


Maggie Habberman said it really well with Anderson Cooper. Trump just blunders into things, so there no over all thought out strategy. He just has a tactic he has learned where he takes those things and finds ways to make them work for him.


It’s my theory that the cabal around him has figured out how to use that tendency to political effect. He’s easy to point in the “right” direction because he enjoys it and it’s natural to him. But make no mistake, going after those four ladies has a high degree of calculation to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:55 pm    Post subject:

Wilt wrote:
As an immigrant and a refugee, seeing that only four out of almost 200 Republicans in the House condemned his racism and xenophobia is yet another indication that I'm not welcomed in this country by a huge chunk of the population.

In some ways, this was the saddest day of this awful presidency.


Am I living in a world where the president is racist and his party stayed silent. How sad. Things are unraveling. Lots of similarities between trump and hitlers rise to power people.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:52 am    Post subject:

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As an immigrant and a refugee, seeing that only four out of almost 200 Republicans in the House condemned his racism and xenophobia is yet another indication that I'm not welcomed in this country by a huge chunk of the population.

In some ways, this was the saddest day of this awful presidency.


Am I living in a world where the president is racist and his party stayed silent. How sad. Things are unraveling. Lots of similarities between trump and hitlers rise to power people.


I wish they were just staying silent as opposed to what some are doing. Trying to argue he wasn't being racist at all.
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This type of rationalization is disgusting. And it's why I have little hope for bipartisanship even when Trump is long gone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:13 am    Post subject:

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Newly-found footage shows Trump, Epstein at a '92 party

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/newly-found-footage-shows-trump-epstein-at-a-92-party-64001605666

Fast forward 3 minutes into the video.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:12 am    Post subject:

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House Democrat introduces articles of impeachment against Trump

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Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening, a move that could force the House to take up the controversial subject later this week over the opposition of Democratic leaders


That was not a good move. That was grandstanding on a day that should have been left to the news of the vote to condemn Trump. It simply bolsters the GOP attempts to claim that the Dems are overly aggressive.


Now that it's kinda out the gate, do you think Congressional democratic leaders should throw their weight behind this or squash this? or worse, ignore it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:22 am    Post subject:

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DMR and I rarely agree on anything but we agree on this. If Trump were strategic, he would have created a different distraction. If your opponents are tearing each other apart, you’d find a way to highlight that. Instead of the story being about the Dems circular firing squad, he shifted the narrative to his xenophobic tweet and gave his opponents a rallying point. Yes, it is still a distraction but not an advisable one IMO and I’m inclined to believe he is more of a wrecking ball (that sometimes hits the wrong building) than a demo hammer that is more precise and deliberate.


Maggie Habberman said it really well with Anderson Cooper. Trump just blunders into things, so there no over all thought out strategy. He just has a tactic he has learned where he takes those things and finds ways to make them work for him.


It’s my theory that the cabal around him has figured out how to use that tendency to political effect. He’s easy to point in the “right” direction because he enjoys it and it’s natural to him. But make no mistake, going after those four ladies has a high degree of calculation to it.


I doubt that. As ringfinger said, if you are going to make a calculated move involving them, it would be to further foment the division in the Dems, not give them a unifying moment. Especially not when that moment so pointedly puts the GOP on the spot in regards to trying to defend it. There's no one out there who is thinking, "You know what? I just realized I really am in favor of racism". I just don't see anyone thinking it being a good idea other than Trump himself. There may be people who see an advantage to letting Trump run. But I don't see it as a situation where anyone is driving him. Trump's a power hungry egomaniac who likes to call the shots. Which gets back to what Habberman was saying, he may be being steered as he goes, but he's not being driven to something beforehand - at least not in this instance. His team reacts. They don't control.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject:

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House Democrat introduces articles of impeachment against Trump

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Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening, a move that could force the House to take up the controversial subject later this week over the opposition of Democratic leaders


That was not a good move. That was grandstanding on a day that should have been left to the news of the vote to condemn Trump. It simply bolsters the GOP attempts to claim that the Dems are overly aggressive.


Now that it's kinda out the gate, do you think Congressional democratic leaders should throw their weight behind this or squash this? or worse, ignore it?


I don't think ignoring (not the word I would use, but all the same . . .) the move is a bad thing. As has been said, it would be better to let this mess play itself out with the GOP further stepping in it. That's going to be more effective than suddenly trying to ramrod Impeachment in my opinion. Better to let the GOP reveal themselves as a whole for what they are even more. It ads weight to the need to remove Trump as opposed to appearing as simply an aggressive move to go after Trump.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:53 am    Post subject:

What is scary that as America will be a predominantly non-white country in my lifetime, this xenophobia/racism will only get worse.

What a sad day to see Republicans too cowardly to even stand up against racism.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:58 am    Post subject:

Impeachment history allows it's not effective. What does it accomplish? It gives Trump recognition, keeps him focal. That's playing in his arena.

The country knows what he is and what he's done/doing. IMO timing the inquiry is very important. Close to election date would be my suggestion. Keep his foulness fresh in the minds of voters and those on the fence to get them to the polls. His base won't be moved. IMO Green moved to quickly.

I also think Dems are making a mistake by giving women representatives of color a nickname. They are not a squad. They are elected officials. That's demeaning. IMO giving them a nickname minimizes, marginalizes their importance. Phil Jackson, LeBron James like. It's something Trump would do. They gave him a stiff right jab.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 am    Post subject:

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What is scary that as America will be a predominantly non-white country in my lifetime, this xenophobia/racism will only get worse.

What a sad day to see Republicans too cowardly to even stand up against racism.


Not if Trump and Bannon Koch et al have anything to say about it

That is the energy of their fears
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject:

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What is scary that as America will be a predominantly non-white country in my lifetime, this xenophobia/racism will only get worse.

What a sad day to see Republicans too cowardly to even stand up against racism.


This is why they work so hard to keep gerrymandering. The minority needs to keep the field tilted because the numbers are getting away from them.

This has to be a bigger issue throughout the country. We are being ruled by a minority whose sole interest is keeping themselves in power.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject:

Rand Paul blocks Senate from approving 9/11 victim compensation fund

Stuff like this is such evil partisanship it is vileness at its essence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:26 am    Post subject:

This is kind of off topic but congresswoman Katie Porter just moved into our office building! I cant wait to say hi to her!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject:

Since Trump's racist tweets, his poll numbers went up with Republicans and down with Democrats and Independents. But his overall number is about the same.

The bad news is that yes, the entire Republican party for all intents and purposes is racist. There are no outs or excuses about tax cuts any longer. The good news is the rest of us -- the majority of the country -- find it repulsive.

If he thinks he was solidifying his base, he also expanded and solidified the opposition. His racist strategy backfired in 2018 (remember the caravans?) and there was a blue wave in response. We need that blue wave again, only bigger.

If the ACA gets struck down in the courts due to GOP/Trump lawsuit, they should be dead meat in 2020. IF ALL DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHAT.
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What is scary that as America will be a predominantly non-white country in my lifetime, this xenophobia/racism will only get worse.

What a sad day to see Republicans too cowardly to even stand up against racism.


This is why they work so hard to keep gerrymandering. The minority needs to keep the field tilted because the numbers are getting away from them.

This has to be a bigger issue throughout the country. We are being ruled by a minority whose sole interest is keeping themselves in power.


Yup. Literally the electoral college is the only reason why Republicans have been President this century. Gerrymandering affects local issues and keeps the soon-to-be white minority in power.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject:

It's also why Trump/McConnell have spent 2 years packing the courts up and down with right wing white male judges. No women, no people of color, no latinos. Just more tilting the playing field in their favor to hang onto power from the minority. This is why white Evangelicals love Trump the rapist adulterer heathen. He gave them judges.
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It's also why Trump/McConnell have spent 2 years packing the courts up and down with right wing white male judges. No women, no people of color, no latinos. Just more tilting the playing field in their favor to hang onto power from the minority. This is why white Evangelicals love Trump the rapist adulterer heathen. He gave them judges.


Yup. Judges. Electoral College. Gerrymandering.

Asymmetrical race warfare for when America will certainly become more brown majority in 25 years or less.

But if you control those 3 process/institutions, you are still in power.
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