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realking24
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | Trump himself slammed the probe as an “illegal takedown,” as he called Mueller’s report a “complete exoneration” and said it was a “shame” his presidency had to deal with the investigation for two years.
“Hopefully somebody is going to look at the other side,” Trump said. “This was an illegal takedown that failed and hopefully somebody is going to be looking at the other side.”
25 million dollars wasted for a scam that a lot of people fell for. |
42 million dollars in ill gotten gains seized from manafort, a foreign agent, means the investigation made more money than anything Trump has done.
Would you like to try again comrade? |
we never recovered the 60 million the republicans spent investigating Whitewater for 7 years without an indictment |
I know it’s tough guys but what are his crimes? Your hurt Feelings don’t count as a crime. For the last year we have been hearing about Russian collusion and how he and his family is going to jail over this made up dossier that Adam Swift promises is true performed by the Democrats without evidence. Shouldn’t we be happy he was proven not to be a secret Russian agennt but seems you’ll be mad no matter what.
Hillary Clinton foundation lost a ton of its money after Clinton didn’t win presidency. No corruption here lol. |
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You need to post links for your assertions
Last line. Is that from WND or Brietbart or Fox? |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Where is that 900 BILLION DOLLARS going to come from
good ol bankrupter in chief |
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Can you answer how losing 900 Billion dollars in 2018 helped Americans future? |
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Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
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| realking24 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | Trump himself slammed the probe as an “illegal takedown,” as he called Mueller’s report a “complete exoneration” and said it was a “shame” his presidency had to deal with the investigation for two years.
“Hopefully somebody is going to look at the other side,” Trump said. “This was an illegal takedown that failed and hopefully somebody is going to be looking at the other side.”
25 million dollars wasted for a scam that a lot of people fell for. |
42 million dollars in ill gotten gains seized from manafort, a foreign agent, means the investigation made more money than anything Trump has done.
Would you like to try again comrade? |
we never recovered the 60 million the republicans spent investigating Whitewater for 7 years without an indictment |
I know it’s tough guys but what are his crimes? Your hurt Feelings don’t count as a crime. For the last year we have been hearing about Russian collusion and how he and his family is going to jail over this made up dossier that Adam Swift promises is true performed by the Democrats without evidence. Shouldn’t we be happy he was proven not to be a secret Russian agennt but seems you’ll be mad no matter what.
Hillary Clinton foundation lost a ton of its money after Clinton didn’t win presidency. No corruption here lol. |
just a silly republican wannabe still mindf****ed by Hill....lost money? 
We'll talk more about it when you get a vote in the fight...later |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Even if they said that, it would be met with deserved cynicism. The only way it works is through actions. If the GOP wants to hang on to the Senate and the Presidency in 2020, reaching out to Dems and helping them get something done in cooperation with Republicans is indeed what Americans would like to see. On the other hand, the Republicans obstructing everything Obama tried to do has already set the precedent of how that party operates. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Remember, we still don't know if Trump committed criminal conspirator or obstruction of justice. Even if Barr's characterization of the report is 100% accurate, not being able to force the Russians to answer subpoenas, cooperate, and testify, along with Manafort's and Stone's refusal to answer questions honestly, leaves many issues unresolved. Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent.
Sure, he'd love for all the investigations still ongoing to disappear. He's a crook, a shyster, a con man, and likely a felon, and the authorities need to continue with their many investigations. Regardless of what some people, particularly Republicans, think, white collar crime is still crime, and often much worse than what some call blue collar crime.
As for working together? Trump has tried to do and has done too much harm with his policies and appointments.
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| realking24 wrote: | | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-trump-accusers-need-to-apologize-after-mueller-report-finds-no-russia-collusion |
Allow me to quote from some wisdom above:
| Quote: | | Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent. |
Also, have the Republicans apologized for the umpteen Benghazi investigations that actually had no convictions or confessions?
Lastly, Trump colluded with the Russians trying to get his hotel and trying to help them with sanctions relief. Because it may have not risen to the level of being a crime of criminal conspiracy, it is still Un-American and should be a horrible stain.
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| ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Remember, we still don't know if Trump committed criminal conspirator or obstruction of justice. Even if Barr's characterization of the report is 100% accurate, not being able to force the Russians to answer subpoenas, cooperate, and testify, along with Manafort's and Stone's refusal to answer questions honestly, leaves many issues unresolved. Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent.
Sure, he'd love for all the investigations still ongoing to disappear. He's a crook, a shyster, a con man, and likely a felon, and the authorities need to continue with their many investigations. Regardless of what some people, particularly Republicans, think, white collar crime is still crime, and often much worse than what some call blue collar crime.
As for working together? Trump has tried to do and has done too much harm with his policies and appointments. |
Yup. I'm just saying, when you've had brewing tensions and there's somewhat of a culmination point, that's a good time for someone, usually the "victor" (I put that in quotes), to take the high road and hit the reset button.
Just think the worst thing you can do is punch down at this point. Doing nothing would be better than that. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Remember, we still don't know if Trump committed criminal conspirator or obstruction of justice. Even if Barr's characterization of the report is 100% accurate, not being able to force the Russians to answer subpoenas, cooperate, and testify, along with Manafort's and Stone's refusal to answer questions honestly, leaves many issues unresolved. Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent.
Sure, he'd love for all the investigations still ongoing to disappear. He's a crook, a shyster, a con man, and likely a felon, and the authorities need to continue with their many investigations. Regardless of what some people, particularly Republicans, think, white collar crime is still crime, and often much worse than what some call blue collar crime.
As for working together? Trump has tried to do and has done too much harm with his policies and appointments. |
Yup. I'm just saying, when you've had brewing tensions and there's somewhat of a culmination point, that's a good time for someone, usually the "victor" (I put that in quotes), to take the high road and hit the reset button.
Just think the worst thing you can do is punch down at this point. Doing nothing would be better than that. |
From what I've seen, Trump has little or no self-control and is such an egotist, not to mention his horrible ideas, I don't believe he is capable.
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Collusion or no Collusion
IDGAF
Trump is the SLEAZIEST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY
Parents who support Trump and have children in the home are A VIRUS IN OUR SOCIETY
Dude lies and bullies and berates and uses sexually repulsive terminology
He is a racist Oxygen thief whose net contribution to society is a PURE NARCISSISTIC SCAM ARTIST
No compassion and a tiny Heart
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| ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Remember, we still don't know if Trump committed criminal conspirator or obstruction of justice. Even if Barr's characterization of the report is 100% accurate, not being able to force the Russians to answer subpoenas, cooperate, and testify, along with Manafort's and Stone's refusal to answer questions honestly, leaves many issues unresolved. Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent.
Sure, he'd love for all the investigations still ongoing to disappear. He's a crook, a shyster, a con man, and likely a felon, and the authorities need to continue with their many investigations. Regardless of what some people, particularly Republicans, think, white collar crime is still crime, and often much worse than what some call blue collar crime.
As for working together? Trump has tried to do and has done too much harm with his policies and appointments. |
Yup. I'm just saying, when you've had brewing tensions and there's somewhat of a culmination point, that's a good time for someone, usually the "victor" (I put that in quotes), to take the high road and hit the reset button.
Just think the worst thing you can do is punch down at this point. Doing nothing would be better than that. |
From what I've seen, Trump has little or no self-control and is such an egotist, not to mention his horrible ideas, I don't believe he is capable. |
Agreed. Don't expect him to do it. Just saying, this has been a long culmination of back and forth resulting in an underwhelming finale for many. Strategically, it's the perfect time to stick your hand out in the public view and say, let's move on, and find a way to work together. It's right there for the taking, and they still won't do it. |
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Breaking: Following Long Witch Hunts, O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony Totally Exonerated
(Got a kick out of this headline at Kos by someone having fun.)
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| ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-trump-accusers-need-to-apologize-after-mueller-report-finds-no-russia-collusion |
Allow me to quote from some wisdom above:
| Quote: | | Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent. |
Also, have the Republicans apologized for the umpteen Benghazi investigations that actually had no convictions or confessions?
Lastly, Trump colluded with the Russians trying to get his hotel and trying to help them with sanctions relief. Because it may have not risen to the level of being a crime of criminal conspiracy, it is still Un-American and should be a horrible stain. |
Can you prove that conspiracy theory? Any evidence at all still waiting! |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Trump and the GOP have a golden opportunity here to be the ones to hit the reset button, “be” the bigger person, and say something along the lines of now that we have put this to rest, let’s stop working against each other and focus instead on working for the American people.
That’s what most Americans want to hear I think, and, would make any further attempts by the other side reflect more poorly on them. Few people appreciate punching down.
But will they take advantage of the opportunity? Doesn’t seem so. Further down the spiral we go. *sigh* |
Remember, we still don't know if Trump committed criminal conspirator or obstruction of justice. Even if Barr's characterization of the report is 100% accurate, not being able to force the Russians to answer subpoenas, cooperate, and testify, along with Manafort's and Stone's refusal to answer questions honestly, leaves many issues unresolved. Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent.
Sure, he'd love for all the investigations still ongoing to disappear. He's a crook, a shyster, a con man, and likely a felon, and the authorities need to continue with their many investigations. Regardless of what some people, particularly Republicans, think, white collar crime is still crime, and often much worse than what some call blue collar crime.
As for working together? Trump has tried to do and has done too much harm with his policies and appointments. |
Yup. I'm just saying, when you've had brewing tensions and there's somewhat of a culmination point, that's a good time for someone, usually the "victor" (I put that in quotes), to take the high road and hit the reset button.
Just think the worst thing you can do is punch down at this point. Doing nothing would be better than that. |
From what I've seen, Trump has little or no self-control and is such an egotist, not to mention his horrible ideas, I don't believe he is capable. |
Agreed. Don't expect him to do it. Just saying, this has been a long culmination of back and forth resulting in an underwhelming finale for many. Strategically, it's the perfect time to stick your hand out in the public view and say, let's move on, and find a way to work together. It's right there for the taking, and they still won't do it. |
These guys are Far more calculated than I think people give them credit for
Now is the time to
FEED THE BASE GOURMET BUFFET LIBERAL TEARS
Trust me
Trump must put on the show that this report "PROVES"
Fake News
Deep State
Witch Hunt
Only conspiracy was one by Democrats to make him look bad
Etc Al
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Now these useful idiots will
Start investigations into Comey and McCabe and others etc
A life of deflection |
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| realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-trump-accusers-need-to-apologize-after-mueller-report-finds-no-russia-collusion |
Allow me to quote from some wisdom above:
| Quote: | | Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent. |
Also, have the Republicans apologized for the umpteen Benghazi investigations that actually had no convictions or confessions?
Lastly, Trump colluded with the Russians trying to get his hotel and trying to help them with sanctions relief. Because it may have not risen to the level of being a crime of criminal conspiracy, it is still Un-American and should be a horrible stain. |
Can you prove that conspiracy theory? Any evidence at all still waiting! |
Uh, there's a letter of intent signed by the man himself.
That was my last time feeding the trolls on this one, because you are either a troll or a total idiot. |
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| realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-trump-accusers-need-to-apologize-after-mueller-report-finds-no-russia-collusion |
Allow me to quote from some wisdom above:
| Quote: | | Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent. |
Also, have the Republicans apologized for the umpteen Benghazi investigations that actually had no convictions or confessions?
Lastly, Trump colluded with the Russians trying to get his hotel and trying to help them with sanctions relief. Because it may have not risen to the level of being a crime of criminal conspiracy, it is still Un-American and should be a horrible stain. |
Can you prove that conspiracy theory? Any evidence at all still waiting! |
Don Jr proved it to us
The whole world read it
He said he initially lied and that in truth the meeting was not about adoptions
It was about Russia helping Trump get elected so sanctions would be eased
WikiLeaks?
When Trump got elected when did he enact election meddling sanctions
On Russia
Why has Trump met Putin FIVE TIMES IN PRIVATE |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-trump-accusers-need-to-apologize-after-mueller-report-finds-no-russia-collusion |
Allow me to quote from some wisdom above:
| Quote: | | Sometimes criminals, especially white collar, get away with the crimes. It doesn't make them innocent. |
Also, have the Republicans apologized for the umpteen Benghazi investigations that actually had no convictions or confessions?
Lastly, Trump colluded with the Russians trying to get his hotel and trying to help them with sanctions relief. Because it may have not risen to the level of being a crime of criminal conspiracy, it is still Un-American and should be a horrible stain. |
Can you prove that conspiracy theory? Any evidence at all still waiting! |
Uh, there's a letter of intent signed by the man himself.
That was my last time feeding the trolls on this one, because you are either a troll or a total idiot. |
Not to mention Flynn and others with the:
We didn’t talk
We talked but we didn’t talk sanctions
We talked sanctions but it wasn’t collusion
Three step.
Btw, one of the arguments I’ve heard against obstruction is, “how can you have obstruction if there’s no crime to obstruct?” Setting aside the fact that you can instruct an investigation even if you aren’t “guilty”, why have so many people obfuscated and lied about meeting with Russians and what was discussed? And why were they meeting them over and over in so many clandestine ways? I respect if Mueller couldn’t put the factual elements of who made what quid pro quo deal into iron clad evidence to achieve a conviction on conspiracy, but the meetings, the things discussed, and the actions of both sides, including the lies about the meetings, certainly paints a pretty obvious picture of what they were up to. I mean, people don’t think Capone wasn’t running organized crime in Chicago just because the cops couldn’t pin it on him, right?
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Can you prove that conspiracy theory? Any evidence at all still waiting! |
Did Trump's team have a secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose? Would the meeting in Trump Tower be called a secret meeting to discuss possibly illegal, but certainly deceitful, arrangements, agreements and cooperation?
If not, why?
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Trump Has Now Shifted $1.3 Million Of Campaign-Donor Money Into His Business
| Quote: | Donald Trump has charged his own reelection campaign $1.3 million for rent, food, lodging and other expenses since taking office, according to a Forbes analysis of the latest campaign filings. And although outsiders have contributed more than $50 million to the campaign, the billionaire president hasn’t handed over any of his own cash. The net effect: $1.3 million of donor money has turned into $1.3 million of Trump money.
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House Judiciary Committee targets Rudy Giuliani
| Quote: | | Rudy Giuliani has spent the past year operating under the assumption that acting as Donald Trump’s criminal defense attorney would somehow shield him from the numerous criminal scandals that have his own fingerprints all over them. But apart from Rudy’s own admission last summer that the DOJ Inspector General was investigating how he knew the FBI’s actions in advance during the election, we haven’t had any proof that Rudy is under investigation – until now. |
Rick Perry, the Saudis and a Dangerous Nuclear Deal
| Quote: | Since January 2017, the Trump Administration has been in negotiations to allow a sale of two nuclear reactors designed by American companies to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. This is troubling for at least two reasons. First, nuclear reactors may provide the Saudis with a backdoor to a nuclear bomb. Second, a February 19 interim report from the new Democratic majority on the House Oversight and Reform Committee alleges that the sale may involve conflicts of interest and other violations of federal law by Trump cronies inside and outside the Administration.
IP3 has ties to both Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and to disgraced national security adviser General Michael Flynn. Flynn pushed the deal as a senior adviser on Trump’s presidential campaign and on Trump’s transition team.
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I believe the full report will be subpoenaed. To quote the late great Yogi Berra "IT AIN'T OVA TILL IT'S OVA."
Watergate figure John Dean suspects AG is hiding something
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| Quote: | | John Dean, former White House counsel to President Richard M. Nixon, warned that Attorney General William Barr may be hiding something “fairly ugly” inside the report filed by special counsel Robert Mueller. |
| Quote: | | Mueller, Barr wrote, did not exonerate Trump of obstruction allegations. However, Barr said he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had concluded there wasn’t sufficient evidence to make that accusation against the president. |
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It is my understanding that the actions did constitute Obstruction of Justice, but they couldn't prove criminal intent. Or at least in the estimation of AG Barr. Who was handpicked by Trump.
I seem to recall Hillary getting a lot of flak from Republicans after the FBI investigation concluded they couldn't prove criminal intent either. Funny how in one case there is "total exoneration" and the other is the person is guilty as sin.
I think the important distinction here is that the person deciding not to indict was hand-picked by the person they'd be indicting. Imagine how upset republicans would be if the person who decided not to indict Hillary was hand-picked by her. |
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