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ContagiousInspiration
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| jodeke wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Aussiesuede wrote: | | Quote: | Federal prosectors are investigating President Donald Trump’s inauguration committee for possible misspending of donations, sources familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
The alleged investigation by the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office into the record $107 million raised for the inauguration includes probes into whether the committee’s biggest donors gave money in exchange for access to Trump’s administration or political influence, some of the sources said.
CNN later confirmed the report.
Such misspending by the committee, which was registered as a nonprofit, could constitute a violation of federal corruption laws. If true, it marks the latest legal probe into whether members of Trump’s inner circle may have inappropriately spent money associated with his campaign.
The reported investigation arose in part from materials that federal prosecutors seized in April when it raided the home of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, who was just sentenced to three years for lying to Congress and violating campaign finance laws during Trump’s 2016 campaign when he coordinated payoffs to two women who had alleged affairs with Trump. |
Inauguration Corruption Investigation |
Press is trying to save the pres from an aneurysm
Melania paid someone 26 million iirc
Should put her name in headlines
| Quote: | Trump inaugural committee paid $26 million to friend of first lady Melania Trump
Christina Wilkie | @christinawilkie
Published 1:42 PM ET Thu, 15 Feb 2018 Updated 6:23 PM ET Thu, 15 Feb 2018
CNBC.com
Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a New York party planner and friend of first lady Melania Trump, was paid $26 million by the Trump inaugural committee.
The payment was disclosed in an IRS form that revealed the committee spent more than $90 million on events surrounding the 2017 inauguration of Donald Trump.
The committee gave $5 million to charity, out of a total $106 million raised. |
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/trump-inaugural-committee-paid-26-million-to-friend-of-melania-trump.html |
Save him from one or give him one.  |
"Manhattan Attorney General investigating First Lady's 26 million inauguration payment to a friend"
Trumps head would splode if that was the headline  |
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Impeachment is a must now.
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| Wilt wrote: | | Impeachment is a must now. |
House may impeach but the Senate won't convict. If they did it would make history. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton weren't removed.
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | ^^^I tripped when I saw that the British really did draw and quarter traitors and affix their heads on poles along London bridge
Witnessing what politicians are getting away with now helps me understand their anger. |
hey...that London Bridge is in Arizona now...just sayin  |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Impeachment is a must now. |
It’s never going to happen. And even if there were a proceding, there’d be no actual sanction.
Vote the turd out and let the legal ramifications follow.
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The guy is a criminal and we've only scratched the surface and the Democrats just won the House. It is their duty to proceed with impeachment. What the Senate will do shouldn't matter. Let history shame them.
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| Wilt wrote: | | The guy is a criminal and we've only scratched the surface and the Democrats just won the House. It is their duty to proceed with impeachment. What the Senate will do shouldn't matter. Let history shame them. |
I agree, we shouldn't care what the Senate does. If a Republican Senate refuses to convict a criminal President. That makes a hell of an ad for the 2020 elections.
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It’s always been about a money making scam with Trump, from birtherism to trump university to running for president. And he’s run his presidency the same way. The ironic price is that by mixing all his scams together and attacking lots of people, he did the one thing he’d never do on purpose: he got a lot of people looking at the details of his business. It’s not the Russian thing that’s going to do him the most damage. He could beat that politically. It’s the exposure of his deeply criminal disorganized crime organization. The state of NY is going to gut that organization.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It’s always been about a money making scam with Trump, from birtherism to trump university to running for president. And he’s run his presidency the same way. The ironic price is that by mixing all his scams together and attacking lots of people, he did the one thing he’d never do on purpose: he got a lot of people looking at the details of his business. It’s not the Russian thing that’s going to do him the most damage. He could beat that politically. It’s the exposure of his deeply criminal disorganized crime organization. The state of NY is going to gut that organization. |
NY has enough experience with someone like Boss Tweed.
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| Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range. |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
you hit all the points. shameful. |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | ^^^I tripped when I saw that the British really did draw and quarter traitors and affix their heads on poles along London bridge
Witnessing what politicians are getting away with now helps me understand their anger. |
true. sure its harsh. but that was a harsher time. but you can see the WHY they would believe they needed to do such things. to make darn sure no one tried it again. which is why i said, everyone and anyone even remotely involved in this nonsense presidency needs to go to jail. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It’s always been about a money making scam with Trump, from birtherism to trump university to running for president. And he’s run his presidency the same way. The ironic price is that by mixing all his scams together and attacking lots of people, he did the one thing he’d never do on purpose: he got a lot of people looking at the details of his business. It’s not the Russian thing that’s going to do him the most damage. He could beat that politically. It’s the exposure of his deeply criminal disorganized crime organization. The state of NY is going to gut that organization. |
I've been saying this since day one. This guy is just a sleaze ball shady character with a criminal org thats.. as you've stated unorganized. Its like running credit card scams and check scams on a low level. now you're the president lashing out at people and it makes them mad so everyone wants to now look into what you're really all about. well he's all about credit card and check scams. now the world can see thats all he's ever been about. and every friend of his, business partner is now at risk of standing next to him even if they had zero to do with him and his presidency. They will be looked into as well. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Can a sitting president be drug tested. |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Can a sitting president be drug tested. |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
I so miss debating with conservatives, using facts and data and whatnot. But, unfortunately, this is about all they have to offer.
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Can a sitting president be drug tested. |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
Oh are you insinuating he smokes marijuana because he happens to be black?
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| jodeke wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Impeachment is a must now. |
House may impeach but the Senate won't convict. If they did it would make history. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton weren't removed. |
When the GOP led house impeached Clinton it blew up in their faces. How will Democrats look if they try to overthrow a duly elected President? I would caution what you hope for. |
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Is this a case of plausible deniability? It won't stray me but it most likely will his supporters.
Trump says he never told former lawyer Michael Cohen to break the law
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| Quote: | The President did not dispute directing Cohen to make payments to women who accused him of having an affair in order to keep them quiet, but said he did not direct Cohen to break the law while doing so.
"I never directed Michael Cohen to break the law. He was a lawyer and he is supposed to know the law," Trump tweeted.
"It is called 'advice of counsel,' and a lawyer has great liability if a mistake is made," he added. |
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1) There is already a Cohen tape of him contradicting this claim.
2) The newer story placing him in the room with Cohen and National Enquirer supersedes this story and blows his crap lie out of the water.
3) The prosecutors and judges have the goods so it doesn't matter what lies he tells on twitter.
4) After the fact, the Trump Organization created a fraudulent account to repay the money to Cohen in installments and label it "consulting fees." This is fraud, money laundering and tax evasion. That's on top of the illegal campaign donation. |
But..But..But, He didn't know it was against the law. Michael should have told him it was illegal. It's Michael's fault, not his. Idiot 101 |
Everyone seems to be missing a very salient point to what happened last friday.
#1. A Federal Prosecutor filed a motion in which he stated that he had EVIDENCE that Individual One committed a felony.
#2. Michael Cohen admitted guilt to committing that felony.
#3. The federal prosecutor can't just rely on the word of Michael Cohen. They have to collect evidence corroborating what he has told them and the rules of evidence require that they can NOT tell a Judge that they have such evidence unless they actually do have such evidence.
#4. Any time you pay somebody to commit a felony on your behalf, legally, you have effectively also committed the same felony.
#5. That's why Trump is saying he didn't tell Cohen to make the payments on his behalf. But the prosecutors can't tell the judge they have corroborating evidence (which they have told the judge) unless they do indeed have corroborating evidence.
#6 The rules of evidence also REQUIRE that prosecutors MUST do something with that evidence once it becomes known to them. The fact that the included the fact that they have Evidence against Individual One means they have no choice but to act upon said evidence.
Trumps goose was officially cooked at the very moment on Friday that Federal Prosecutors made the filing. There is no way out. And the fact that Individual One wasn't charged at the same time is a GREAT indicator that more charges are coming and will be filed together. The only question is the "How" of the matter since they have to deal with the justice Dept memorandum on procedure in this regard. |
There are many such as Andrew McCarthy the do not believe that Cohen pleaded to a crime. Remember this plea has not be tried in court. Paying someone off before you were a candidate with funds that ultimately come out of you own wealth is going to be pretty hard to prosecute. Also Obama was had a FEC violation and was only fined 375K. He also paid 150k in hush money to that bigot preacher Rev Wright.
Of course this is supposed to be about Russian collusion which we still don't have any proof of yet. |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Impeachment is a must now. |
House may impeach but the Senate won't convict. If they did it would make history. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton weren't removed. |
When the GOP led house impeached Clinton it blew up in their faces. How will Democrats look if they try to overthrow a duly elected President? I would caution what you hope for. |
Is this really your level of critical thinking? Jesus Christ...
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| Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range. |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed.
Trump is against
Open Borders and the Crime and Drugs and Child trafficking that Democrats let happen.
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration
Trump is Pro life
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Globalism, political correctness, limiting our constitutional rights, identity politics, creating dependency on Gov't not our you won labor and other Saul Alinsky tactics will be on trial in 2020. Of course before any of that happens many of us will be entertained watching the Democrat candidates stake out their positions and then bludgeon each other. Immigration is a big issue and I will be interested to see how the candidates navigate that issue. Should be a lot of fun. |
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Not even Chris Christie wants to be Trump's chief of staff.
It's absolutely hilarious that all of these slime balls suddenly want to 'spend time with their families'. |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range. |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed.
Trump is against
Open Borders and the Crime and Drugs and Child trafficking that Democrats let happen.
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration
Trump is Pro life
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Globalism, political correctness, limiting our constitutional rights, identity politics, creating dependency on Gov't not our you won labor and other Saul Alinsky tactics will be on trial in 2020. Of course before any of that happens many of us will be entertained watching the Democrat candidates stake out their positions and then bludgeon each other. Immigration is a big issue and I will be interested to see how the candidates navigate that issue. Should be a lot of fun. |
The bolded, you could not be more wrong if you tried. Climate change is a real issue, science isn't politically based, how we best fix it has become the issue. And those that have the means should step more to fix the problem. This is a global issue, that if we don't act, humans as we know it, face serious problems existing in the not to distant future. |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range. |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed.
Trump is against
Open Borders and the Crime and Drugs and Child trafficking that Democrats let happen.
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration
Trump is Pro life
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Globalism, political correctness, limiting our constitutional rights, identity politics, creating dependency on Gov't not our you won labor and other Saul Alinsky tactics will be on trial in 2020. Of course before any of that happens many of us will be entertained watching the Democrat candidates stake out their positions and then bludgeon each other. Immigration is a big issue and I will be interested to see how the candidates navigate that issue. Should be a lot of fun. |
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy.
Yeah have you checked the stock market lately? Who makes money when the stock market is doing well? I can tell you its not middle class and lower income people
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA.
By having tariff wars negatively affect the economies of the US and their economic rivals? How is removing regulations on a dying industry like coal going to help anyone?
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration.
There are more jobs than people right now. The only political party wanting to raise wages are democrats. To what extent is debatable.
Trump is Pro life
Lets just grant you that abortions are immoral(they're not). This whole belief that Trump is pro life is hilarious. (bleep) you dude.
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies.
Isolationist policies are not pro American. Our biggest strength is in our alliances with other democratic nations.
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
This is so ridiculous on its face that I'm not even going to entertain it. You know what the facts are you just refuse to accept it.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Immigration was at its lowest ever under the Obama administration. In fact his nickname was the Deporter-in-Chief. It might surprise you that illegal immigration has gone up since Trump took office. Its a talking point for people like you who can't form their own opinion without being spoonfed propaganda from fox news.
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights.
LOL @ the Trump being Christian or any religion for that matter. How are you gonig to say its good for Pro-Israel and pro Christian groups and then right after that mention individual rights. Its like you think only one group matters.
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
(bleep) YOU. SERIOUSLY.
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | Not even Chris Christie wants to be Trump's chief of staff.
It's absolutely hilarious that all of these slime balls suddenly want to 'spend time with their families'. |
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Chris Christie: "I've told the President that now is not the right time for me or my family to undertake this serious assignment."
His wife is retired.
His kids don't live at home.
He left office with a 15% approval rating.
Even THIS guy thinks it's a bad career move.
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Can a sitting president be drug tested. |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
You add absolutely ZERO to this discussion -- every single time. It's a talent. |
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Trump probably used inauguration funds to pay the Trump University settlement:
