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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Bulls want a big for duhon |
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| the bulls want a big for duhon would you trade mihm for duhon. I think i might duhon is a very good defender and smart ball player. The way i see it if we could get a mihm and someone for duhon and maybe nicoini or deng than it would be a deal i would have to look at. even just straight up i likw duhons game |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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wow
no, we need bigs. our problem is or bigs. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: |
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trade Divac? Slava? 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I like Duhon.
However his contract is up to 2008. Also, it's not smart to trade big for small on a team that already has very questionable starting bigs |
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Good God NO!
You don't trade a starting 7' center who is finally reaching consistency for an undersized 2nd year point guard. And what would our starting line-up be then ... Smush, Duhon, Kobe, Odom and Kwame??????? Mihm doesn't go unless it's for a major impact player or 2/3 promising youngsters.
We've all just got to stop all this constant screaming for a trade every time anyone is rumored to be available. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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duhon was available at last season's draft... but we chose vujacic... i was crazy then, and i'm more than crazy now...
and we chose kareem rush and not tayshaun prince... we didn't take raja bell and sharunas jasikievicius two years ago when they were available... and then mckie and not sprewell... and kwame...
i don't know and i don't care if it's mitch's or someone else's fault... i know that these are big mistakes... |
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| Here's the thing, people. We're not exactly in a position to be stuck up and picky. We have a team brimming over with untradeable scrubs. A move HAS to be made, otherwise, this team is going down down down like the Freefall at Six Flags. You're Mitch or Jimmy and the phone rings offering up Chris Duhon for Mihm or Cookie, you don't seriously consider that?? |
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| yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
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| Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
So you think they would take Kwame?? I don't think so. Plus, they'd have to throw in another player to match salaries.
It's matter of understanding who has the advantage. The Bulls know they have a nice upstart in Duhon, and they're willing to deal him to get bigger. And why not??? They already have Hinrich, Gorden, and Deng.
The Lakers would have no leverage to say they will only give up an overpaid scrub like Kwame and hear anything but a dialtone. |
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| Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
As soon as Ronny is ready to go (I know he has played an NBA game yet,.. but could be be worse then what Brown has brought to the table???), ship Brown out!!
I like Duhon... I think he would be a nice fit.. plus that allows Smush to come off the bench (and we can send Sasha to the Flyers). Also allows the Lakers to stick Odom in the post. |
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No way. I think Duhon would be a solid pickup, but we need to keep any half way respectable big we have. Mihm is having his best season so far and is worth more than Duhon IMHO.
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
So you think they would take Kwame?? I don't think so. Plus, they'd have to throw in another player to match salaries.
It's matter of understanding who has the advantage. The Bulls know they have a nice upstart in Duhon, and they're willing to deal him to get bigger. And why not??? They already have Hinrich, Gorden, and Deng.
The Lakers would have no leverage to say they will only give up an overpaid scrub like Kwame and hear anything but a dialtone. |
If the Lakers took on another contract - the Bulls might do it.
Maybe Tim Thomas (useless to Chicago) and Duhon for Kwame and Vujacic? |
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| TEEGUNN wrote: | | No way. I think Duhon would be a solid pickup, but we need to keep any half way respectable big we have. Mihm is having his best season so far and is worth more than Duhon IMHO. |
I wouldn't deal Mihm either.
Bynum is the 2nd most untouchable player on the team.
But I would consider a deal that sent out Kwame. Stopping the ball at 1 is more valuable that what Kwame brings to this team. |
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
So you think they would take Kwame?? I don't think so. Plus, they'd have to throw in another player to match salaries.
It's matter of understanding who has the advantage. The Bulls know they have a nice upstart in Duhon, and they're willing to deal him to get bigger. And why not??? They already have Hinrich, Gorden, and Deng.
The Lakers would have no leverage to say they will only give up an overpaid scrub like Kwame and hear anything but a dialtone. |
The advantage of Kwame is that his contract is over next year and they can save money for the cap. They know no one is going to give them a productive big if there still in the hunt, and there's no big out there that's on a team not still in the hunt right now. |
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | Here's the thing, people. We're not exactly in a position to be stuck up and picky. We have a team brimming over with untradeable scrubs. A move HAS to be made, otherwise, this team is going down down down like the Freefall at Six Flags. You're Mitch or Jimmy and the phone rings offering up Chris Duhon for Mihm or Cookie, you don't seriously consider that?? |
Sure, but you don't make a trade for the sake of making a trade to satisfy some Laker fans.
Mihm has been on the rise the last couple of months. He's become a very integral part of our big man rotation. You don't trade that away. Essentially, we're going to solve some problems on the team by opening up other problems by trading Mihm.
As for Cook, he's our best shooting big. I think Phil values that quite a bit especially with Kwame not having a midrange game. Cookie really helps Kobe out a lot in that regard as was shown in last night's game. I'd only consider trading Cook as long as Turiaf can fill up the backup PF duties. Otherwise, it's a tough choice giving up Cook.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | hoopschick29 wrote: | | Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
So you think they would take Kwame?? I don't think so. Plus, they'd have to throw in another player to match salaries.
It's matter of understanding who has the advantage. The Bulls know they have a nice upstart in Duhon, and they're willing to deal him to get bigger. And why not??? They already have Hinrich, Gorden, and Deng.
The Lakers would have no leverage to say they will only give up an overpaid scrub like Kwame and hear anything but a dialtone. |
If the Lakers took on another contract - the Bulls might do it.
Maybe Tim Thomas (useless to Chicago) and Duhon for Kwame and Vujacic? |
I would do that deal in a minute. But here's a question...Timmy's contract (about 14 mil) expires this year. Does that help us at all?? Plus we'd have to give them something else to meet the +-25%. |
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| maybe Slava's or George's contract could fill the 25% |
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| I would not trade Mihm for Duhon. I like Duhon, but not for Mihm. He is one of our few big guys who can actually score in the low post. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | hoopschick29 wrote: | | Ndn Guy wrote: | | yeah, i think we can give them Kwame for Duhon. Mihm is worth more than him. |
So you think they would take Kwame?? I don't think so. Plus, they'd have to throw in another player to match salaries.
It's matter of understanding who has the advantage. The Bulls know they have a nice upstart in Duhon, and they're willing to deal him to get bigger. And why not??? They already have Hinrich, Gorden, and Deng.
The Lakers would have no leverage to say they will only give up an overpaid scrub like Kwame and hear anything but a dialtone. |
If the Lakers took on another contract - the Bulls might do it.
Maybe Tim Thomas (useless to Chicago) and Duhon for Kwame and Vujacic? |
I would do that deal in a minute. But here's a question...Timmy's contract (about 14 mil) expires this year. Does that help us at all?? Plus we'd have to give them something else to meet the +-25%. |
That's true.
Thomas + Duhon = 16.7 million approximately
Kwame + Vujacic = 8.5 million approximately.
I guess we would have to throw in George to make salaries work.
To tell you the truth, I would do that deal even for Kwame, George and Vujacic.
You deal 3 bench players (well I think Kwame should be bench player) for a starting guard and a bench player.
Worth it IMO |
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yep it works here's the breakdown
Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
9.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 31.7 minutes
Incoming
Kwame Brown
6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS)
6.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.8 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
6.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.3 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 19.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.1 ppg, +7.4 rpg, and -2.6 apg.
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kwame Brown
6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS)
6.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.8 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
6.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.3 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 19.2 minutes
Incoming
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
9.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 31.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.1 ppg, -7.4 rpg, and +2.6 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to Chicago and L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago and L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. |
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Not only Mihm is overkill for Chris Duhon, it would rob us of our only complete big. Until Kwame learns to play team defense, the basket will be exposed whenever someone gets by a perimeter defender. That seems to be happening a lot...
Kwame for Duhon? No way would Chitown take that trade. |
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I have to admit I didn't see a lot of Kwame in action before we traded for him, but was he actually this bad in Washington? Was he fumbling away passes and bricking layups? At this point, I don't think any GM in their right mind would trade for Kwame.
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| Quote: | | Kwame for Duhon? No way would Chitown take that trade |
Really?
Well they need someone at C next to Tyson.
Tyson-Kwame combo could match the Tyson-Curry combo they had last season in terms of size and athleticism.
While Brown brings very little offensively - Skiles is a big defense guy. He would know how to use Kwame's size at C.
And why Kwame looks a lot weaker defensively to us, is that he doesn't have a great shotblocker next to him. If the Lakers actually got smarter on the X's and O's - they would never play Kwame and Cook together. Kwame + Mihm, Kwame + Bynum and even Kwame + Odom is acceptable.
Tyson is a very good shotblocker. I think they would be a hell of a force defensively. Most important - they each bring what the other lacks. Kwame - shotblocking, consistent rebounding, Tyson - Size at C |
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| hey i agree that mihm is our only big. But if we could get something in return for him i would do it. maybe add deng or something in the deal. Yes duhon's contract runs to 2008 but we are not going anywhere this year. We will still need a point guard in 2008 and a capable point for 3mil is about as cheap as you are going to get. I just think if we are basically giving up till 2007 or 2008 we might as well get a syoung as we can. Mihm will probably not be in the plans in 2008 while duhon could be in the long run. Assuming bynum pans out mihm will cost too much when his contract is up. So if we could get duhon and maybe another player or a pick i would do it. |
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