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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject:

Luke! Replace Mermuys with Fred Hoiberg.
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Luke! Replace Mermuys with Fred Hoiberg.


What strange timing for Chicago to fire him. What exactly were they expecting? They are tanking with their best young player being out for the first quarter of the season.
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It's not about the roster. His playcalling, not fighting for the players (against Refs), pathetic substitutions and putting in wrong players at the wrong time etc and really MAINLY teaching the young players bad habit is what probably caused for an early termination for him.

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Never mind. He sounds almost exactly like Luke. Don’t want another one.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:15 am    Post subject:

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Luke! Replace Mermuys with Fred Hoiberg.


What strange timing for Chicago to fire him. What exactly were they expecting? They are tanking with their best young player being out for the first quarter of the season.


That would be amazing. Smart guy and good coach. I do not understand what they are expecting to accomplish with that crap roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:22 am    Post subject:

I'm glad we have rondo and Bron.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject:

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It's not about the roster. His playcalling, not fighting for the players (against Refs), pathetic substitutions and putting in wrong players at the wrong time etc and really MAINLY teaching the young players bad habit is what probably caused for an early termination for him.

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Never mind. He sounds almost exactly like Luke. Don’t want another one.

That's fine. He was a damn good coach in college, and I hope he replaces Alford at UCLA instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject:

Is Fred good?

I remember last year some were saying Fred was a way better coach than Luke and were pointing to Chicago's record to prove that. Of course that was early on in the season.
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It's not about the roster. His playcalling, not fighting for the players (against Refs), pathetic substitutions and putting in wrong players at the wrong time etc and really MAINLY teaching the young players bad habit is what probably caused for an early termination for him.

- Bulls fan on realgm

Never mind. He sounds almost exactly like Luke. Don’t want another one.


Sounds like a Bulls fan version of you.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject:

Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:18 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


Next step, get the offense running smoothly?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?


I think Lonzo probably get the short end because of how obvious his offensive struggles are.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


Next step, get the offense running smoothly?


The next step is taking the preseason playbook and burning it. The start of this last game looked like one system fail after another.
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greenfrog wrote:
Megaton wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?


I think Lonzo probably get the short end because of how obvious his offensive struggles are.

Then taking Ingram out would seem to make more sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
Megaton wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?


I think Lonzo probably get the short end because of how obvious his offensive struggles are.

Then taking Ingram out would seem to make more sense.


How so, he just shot 50% from the floor? Just forget that it's 2018...

Again, it's more obvious with Zo.
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greenfrog wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
Megaton wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?


I think Lonzo probably get the short end because of how obvious his offensive struggles are.

Then taking Ingram out would seem to make more sense.


How so, he just shot 50% from the floor? Just forget that it's 2018...

Again, it's more obvious with Zo.

Gotcha. Yeah, I get why Luke would favor BI over Lonzo to close games.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Now that we have Chandler and our rotations are getting more set, the team has made a huge leap on defense (and while Chandler is the big piece, they are really good when he sits too, and you can see the schematic stuff developing). We are mid pack on offense, with part of that being a bit of too much of this and not enough of that stuff, but Luke has work to do there. Let's see where they are on that end in a month. He seems to be a very slow starter who takes a while to settle in his rotations and schemes, but like last year, it is coming together.


There are a couple of other slight problems though since the Chandler acquisition:
- Lakers since Chandler are 21st in offensive rating.
- What’s gonna happen to the effectiveness of Ingram when Rondo comes back?

Luke “knows” how to settle in rotations when certain players get injured/suspended, such as Larry Nance Jr hurt with Randle taking over last year, taking too long to realize Kuzma is a starter last year and a KCP/suspension this year, as well as a KCP suspension to realize Hart is better than him by a mile, etc.

Don’t forget, he started this season with Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma behind the bench for Rondo and KCP. He started the opening of last season with Larry Nance jr and Loul freaking Deng over Randle and Clarkson. Luke is a very slow learner and the pattern for him figuring out logical rotations has been due to injuries and suspensions happening to those mostly lesser players. Almost like the basketball gods themselves forcing Luke’s hand.

Either way, I am very concerned on how Luke will play the rotation game when Rondo gets back. It’s one thing to finally take Lance out of the rotation, but will he now give Rondo less minutes due to Ingram’s effectiveness on the ball? Will he sacrifice Lonzo’s minutes despite him being our best defender/part of the young for the sake of Rondo?


In fairness to him, Lonzo started out on the bench because he was still on minutes restrictions, and most people tended to think KCP would be the initial starter. The biggest issue I've seen in that regard is Ingram, but i think that comes from above him to some degree.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:24 am    Post subject:

My biggest concern coming into the year was that Luke would end up being a proxy for the agendas of the power brokers above and around him. To some degree that is always a piece of the puzzle, but you don't want it to be the whole picture. Jackson (one of his primary mentors) used to firewall management and agents to deal with that, often publicly through the media. But that tact wasn't going to work for Luke (though for a hot second I wondered if it could have been his people that leaked the Magic story seeing as how it painted Luke as something of a victim. I don't think he did though).

I think Luke has shown good leadership given the turbulent waters he's found himself in. Sometimes the objective can't be to look great, it's to survive the storm and be ready when the clouds break.
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My biggest concern coming into the year was that Luke would end up being a proxy for the agendas of the power brokers above and around him. To some degree that is always a piece of the puzzle, but you don't want it to be the whole picture. Jackson (one of his primary mentors) used to firewall management and agents to deal with that, often publicly through the media. But that tact wasn't going to work for Luke (though for a hot second I wondered if it could have been his people that leaked the Magic story seeing as how it painted Luke as something of a victim. I don't think he did though).

I think Luke has shown good leadership given the turbulent waters he's found himself in. Sometimes the objective can't be to look great, it's to survive the storm and be ready when the clouds break.


Sounds like the Dave Roberts/Dodgers situation. Fact of fiction or a little bit of both? In baseball, it's becoming the norm for the FO and manager to be aligned. Is the same true for basketball? I would think it will start to become so as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:32 am    Post subject:

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My biggest concern coming into the year was that Luke would end up being a proxy for the agendas of the power brokers above and around him. To some degree that is always a piece of the puzzle, but you don't want it to be the whole picture. Jackson (one of his primary mentors) used to firewall management and agents to deal with that, often publicly through the media. But that tact wasn't going to work for Luke (though for a hot second I wondered if it could have been his people that leaked the Magic story seeing as how it painted Luke as something of a victim. I don't think he did though).

I think Luke has shown good leadership given the turbulent waters he's found himself in. Sometimes the objective can't be to look great, it's to survive the storm and be ready when the clouds break.


Very good take. In all fairness, look has done well this season dealing with a totally new team, new players, new culture. This was a big test and our record shows that he is doing well. What ppl here don't understand is the amount of adjustment a team, organization, players and coaches when you get a player like Lebron James.

Right now we are sitting at #5 in the west and that's all that matters.
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My biggest concern coming into the year was that Luke would end up being a proxy for the agendas of the power brokers above and around him. To some degree that is always a piece of the puzzle, but you don't want it to be the whole picture. Jackson (one of his primary mentors) used to firewall management and agents to deal with that, often publicly through the media. But that tact wasn't going to work for Luke (though for a hot second I wondered if it could have been his people that leaked the Magic story seeing as how it painted Luke as something of a victim. I don't think he did though).

I think Luke has shown good leadership given the turbulent waters he's found himself in. Sometimes the objective can't be to look great, it's to survive the storm and be ready when the clouds break.


How does the team respond to adversity?

Rough start opening 7 games

Then got the ship righted.

Bad loss at home to Orlando...got the woodshed treatment in Denver.

Just played the 3 best games I've seen since 2010 and there's still room for tremendous improvement.

11-4 in our last 15 and with Rondo out...D looks top 5 caliber to me...transition game is right there with anyone...half-court looks a lot better than it did to start the year and still improving...team chemistry is looking really good...

I'd like to see how Luke starts a year with an intact roster with well defined roles. Perhaps he and BI are just really slow starters?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject:

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I'd like to see how Luke starts a year with an intact roster with well defined roles.


Exactly, and I hope that's the case next year. You can't succeed if half the roster is new every damn year.
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I'd like to see how Luke starts a year with an intact roster with well defined roles.


Exactly, and I hope that's the case next year. You can't succeed if half the roster is new every damn year.


Half the roster is going to be new next year. =/
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I'd like to see how Luke starts a year with an intact roster with well defined roles.


Exactly, and I hope that's the case next year. You can't succeed if half the roster is new every damn year.


Half the roster is going to be new next year. =/


Hopefully vets we overpaid this year will come back on the cheap next year.
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kikanga wrote:
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I'd like to see how Luke starts a year with an intact roster with well defined roles.


Exactly, and I hope that's the case next year. You can't succeed if half the roster is new every damn year.


Half the roster is going to be new next year. =/


Hopefully vets we overpaid this year will come back on the cheap next year.


I expect the "Lebron needs playmakers not shooters" insanity to come to an end by then (if it hasn't already--bye Lance), but it's Magic so who knows.
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