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noahp45
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| There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
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repandpresent
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| noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
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The Juggernaut
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| repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
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JeezyXVII
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Houston trying to add Vogul as Def.AC.
Can we try and nab him before the Rockets do ?
Hes exactly the type of AC we need here. |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
Links please.
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| get the d lock down...the o can follow |
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lakersfan8
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
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socalsp3
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
Sheer talent, IMO.
Here’s why I think our offense is bad, in spite of the numbers.
Do you have any sense, on any given night, where the offensive production is going to come from?
Me neither, and I think the players feel the same way but of course that is a guess. |
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| repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Reasons a team loses a game is rarely due to one thing but the lazy thing is to point one finger at something and go with that as “the reason”.
The reason we lost those games were because of issues we have on offense and on defense as well. There are lots of undersized teams that can lean on their own advantages to win ball games. |
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durden-tyler
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Do you have any sense, on any given night, where the offensive production is going to come from? |
Yeah, from LeBron and Kuzma. Average 45 points each night. That's the equivalent of Beal+Wall or Derozan+Aldridge, close from Lillard+CJ or Westbrook+George.... |
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Sina
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| It’s strange to see Lakers’ offense became stuck in last minutes game over game and LeBron’s isolation didn’t work well too during that stretch. |
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noahp45
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
THIS^^^^
Watch every game! the LAKERS run and gun and during the beginning and middle of a game "that is OK" But once you slow the game down and they are trying to get points in the half court its ISO ball with Bron or BI.
We should be running a 4 and 1. With some back cuts and picks.
Hell even some pick and roll would be nice. |
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The Juggernaut
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
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| repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
It’s interesting that this thread is getting pushed down. This seems to be in essence only a bashing Walton thread, cuz you’d at least think people would try to find the positives now that we are on a small winning streak. The players it seem, are going out of there way to credit the coaching staff, but the fans have trouble with it. |
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| I think it's the same issues with coaching but if you're winning, less reason to complain. |
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24Legend007
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| Hottest team in the NBA right now. |
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| Good win, coach. |
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24Legend007
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| ringfinger wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
Sheer talent, IMO.
Here’s why I think our offense is bad, in spite of the numbers.
Do you have any sense, on any given night, where the offensive production is going to come from?
Me neither, and I think the players feel the same way but of course that is a guess. |
Stevens is considered a great coach, but I feel like it's someone different for the Celtics every night. I get it, I think Stevens is better then Walton but just because it's someone different on a night to night basis is not a bad thing. |
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repandpresent
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | repandpresent wrote: | | noahp45 wrote: | | There is no reason we should have lost all those close games. It's on Luke not putting in an Offense. |
Are you really putting those loses on this fake narrative of not having an offensive scheme? I swear, someone says it on twitter and everyone runs with it.
We have been getting better every year under Luke.
Those close games we lost this year wasn’t because of no offensive scheme. They were because there was no suitable back up big man. Mcgee at this point in his career should not be playing more than 25 mins a game.
Those close games we lost was because of poor rebound due to us being undersized. You can also point to the horrid free throw shooting which is huge in the last 5 minutes of any game. You can say it was defensive lapse.
By saying it was because of no offensive scheme is just picking something out and sticking Luke’s name to it. It’s lazy. |
Wrong! It's been pointed out with film analysis and with advanced stats that Luke runs a horrendous offensive system and this has been the case for 3 years now. |
If our offense is really that bad, what keeps us making it a close game? our defense? |
Talent |
Or lack of? As in no real back up center? Early suspensions? Come on. These advanced stats are only use to prove a point when it feels advantageous to do so. Advanced stats showed that the passing the ball in the red zone instead of handing it off to Marshawn Lynch was the right move. Advanced stats showed that pitching Yu Darvish game 7 was the Dodgers best bet. Advanced stats didn’t make Houston anything until they got Harden. A MVP candidate year in and year out.
Jerry West hates analytics. He help build GSW Without it. Was signing KD because analytics?
But the moment advanced stats show that the Lakers could have won by 20 instead of 15, the advanced staters come out in hoards and complain that Luke should have done this and done that.
We beat a very tough team in Portland and there are still complaints about playing someone 1 minute too much.
People are being very critical of Luke, it’s clear that across the board, he is this years scape goat.
I remember the people complaining about Luke the past two years. D. Russ is still the same turn over machine. Randle is still on the bench, still making bone head plays. But I remember it clear as day. It was Luke that prevented them from becoming better players. Randle came off the bench even when Mirotic was injured. Put that into perspective.
Luke is the scape goat I get it. I’ll just have to get used to it becaus I’m done trying to be rational.
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| i blame Luke for these jerseys. He should have talked Magic out of the design. |
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Listening to Mark Jackson's commentary, I am glad we have Luke lol. That dude is insufferable and I fear he might get the job due to Klutch connection and the way he sugarcoats Magic on TV if Luke doesn't do well this season. I hope we get 2nd seed.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| HOF Rookie wrote: | | i blame Luke for these jerseys. He should have talked Magic out of the design. |
If they play like that and shoot that well, they should wear them every game. |
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