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magic_bryant
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| rpadma12 wrote: | It's funny... Kobe is having to guide his teammates on the triangle almost every trip down the court, where to go, etc. He is having to be the facilitator, the main scorer, a coach at the same time. Tex Winter has commented how Lamar seems to be a very slow learner.. nevermind the other teammates who have even less ability than him.
This is the same guy who during the playoffs during the threepeat watched game tape after game tape finding areas in which his other VETERAN players can take advantage of in the triangle.. Kobe knows the triangle and plays in it just fine.. in fact, he plays better in the triangle than an offense like last year when it was set plays and isos all over the place. |
The reason guys like MJ and Kobe play so well in the triangle is their creativity and ability to do EVERYTHING. The triangle is as free-flowing an offense as their is. Each player cna mold it and shape it to their liking, so long as they're active in getting to the spots that they WANT. Kobe/MJ like post up, mid range jumpers. They get them. Shaq likes it on the block, he fights for postion. He gets it.
It's almost "pickup" basketball, allowing each player to choose how HE plays the game. All it takes is knowing where the cuts SHOULD be, where the open spots are, and how to get into the spots you want.
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LTD
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Kobe has a high hoops IQ, but he rarely uses it when it comes to offense. I'm a huge Kobe fan, but the mistakes that he continues to make are just downright mindboggling. THe propensity to go one on one, to jack up 3 point shots, to shoot tough fadeaways when he could get an easier shot is frustrating as hell. I oftentimes wonder that while he's confident in his ability to hit those shots, does he even realize that he's letting his defender off of the hook when he takes those long range bombs or those tough fadeaways.
Interesting enough, people say that the rest of the crew doesn't know how to run the offense, but check them out the next time Kobe sits. They have no problem whatsoever running the offense. THe problem comes when they have to create for themselves. The ball movement and cuts are MUCH better when Kobe is not in the game. |
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rpadma12
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None of his teammates are able to find Kobe in the post.. they are very poor at making the entry pass. So, he comes out and gets the ball on the perimeter. Even if they manage to make a pass or two, it usually ends up being a wide open brick as Kobe has to pass out of double and triple teams. When they brick, Kobe gets frustrated and takes tough fadeaways over double teams.. When they don't fall, he then thinks three pointers are the way to go since he can get that shot anytime.
It all starts in executing the offense and having good spacing.. good spacing is possible only when they can hit the wide open shots Kobe gives them.
Another thing, you say the triangle is better executed without Kobe.. a point to consider is that usually the bench consists of George, Luke and Cook, three players who have triangle experience. Our starters don't. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| Quote: | | When did he pass?? Tell me when...Give me an actual play and tell me who he passed to....HAHAHAHA....YOU CAN'T!! You call me blind?? Do you not see what I said?? The ball stops moving 99.9% of the time when Kobe gets the ball!! That means that .01% of the time he does pass! I'll give you that. Come on man....Observe the game the right way and stop jocking on Kobe's *$&% and you would agree!! |
Wow. Settle down rook. In the start of the season I actually took time to see just how much Kobe passes the ball. And little to my surprise, he passes it quite a bit. He is averaging just over 4 assists a game right? Well he would be averaging 6 or 7 if his teammates would hit their shots. Not to mention he is out on the wing now in an "attack position" not a "pass position". Thats what LO is for. So who is jocking on Kobe's *$&% now? You're the one that wants him to do everything.
And maybe you shouldn't exagerate when you are trying to bring up facts or make a point. At least 99.9% of the time. Okay? |
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| LTD wrote: | Kobe has a high hoops IQ, but he rarely uses it when it comes to offense. I'm a huge Kobe fan, but the mistakes that he continues to make are just downright mindboggling. THe propensity to go one on one, to jack up 3 point shots, to shoot tough fadeaways when he could get an easier shot is frustrating as hell. I oftentimes wonder that while he's confident in his ability to hit those shots, does he even realize that he's letting his defender off of the hook when he takes those long range bombs or those tough fadeaways.
Interesting enough, people say that the rest of the crew doesn't know how to run the offense, but check them out the next time Kobe sits. They have no problem whatsoever running the offense. THe problem comes when they have to create for themselves. The ball movement and cuts are MUCH better when Kobe is not in the game. |
I wouldn't worry about Kobe's offence, for obvious reasons. Ball movement is always better when the star player is on the bench and that goes for the Bulls without MJ, Cleveland without Lebron, Houston without T-Mac and YAO, ...Some teams do pretty good without they're star player...but not LA. It's all about the W. |
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Kobe does great. The problem is not having a young Scottie Pippen.
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | Near the end of the 2nd quarter, he drove the left lane, was shut off and passed around Smushes man to Smush in the corner for 3.
But, Kobe's passing skills are average. They get picked off a lot (teams play the passing lanes), and tend to be a little off the mark when he's being harrassed.
Kobe is best as a scorer not a passer. |
Name one person who is hounded as much as Kobe is and is surrounded with so many young players-non vets.
You'd look average too, if you had to tell people where to be exactly to receive a pass. Kobe is a better than an average passer; you just don't see it that often because his teammates don't take advantage of that. It's not Kobe's fault that they don't cut, or move to the right places to receive a pass. Just look at the times Kobe draws the defense, but the nearest guy doesn't rotate to give Kobe an angle.
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | ravelo wrote: | | Quote: | Near the end of the 2nd quarter, he drove the left lane, was shut off and passed around Smushes man to Smush in the corner for 3.
But, Kobe's passing skills are average. They get picked off a lot (teams play the passing lanes), and tend to be a little off the mark when he's being harrassed.
Kobe is best as a scorer not a passer. |
Your right! That 0.01% is when he absolutely cannot get a shot off!! But...would you agree with me that Kobe is not a good fit for the triangle?? |
Kobe doesn't have the elite passing skills - like Nash might - to get this team to score reliably through passing because they shoot %30, haven't figured out where to get their shots, and aren't a big enough threat to keep the defense honest.
The Facilitator is never the Focus in the Triangle because the triangle works by passes creating open shots for scorers. Unless Kobe can pass to himself, it will never happen with this team. And, teams have to defend the ball and the focus of the offense. If the ball is always in the hands of the focus, then D becomes really simplistic. |
Passing isn't some magic; if your team can't hit their shots you'll look bad most of the time.
There's no (bleep) way that Nash would be as successful on our team (if you remove Kobe). Phoenix has far more consistent perimeter shooters than us. It's not as if Nash is penetrating all the time to get layups to people; he usually penetrates and then dishes to a wide open man for a look; similar to the looks Kobe was giving up to the rest of his team, but he can't be faulted for his team not being able to hit a wide-open shot.
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| Umm, Kobe is a scorer with decent passing skill. Why do you want him to pass all of the time? He is supposed to score. I'm sure if his teammates would cut to the open spot he will get them the ball. Again, I repeat Kobe is a scorer not a passer. Plus I think its up to his teammates to step up and prove that they can put the ball in the basket with or without Kobe on the floor. |
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| Quote: | | Another thing, you say the triangle is better executed without Kobe.. a point to consider is that usually the bench consists of George, Luke and Cook, three players who have triangle experience. Our starters don't. |
But let's be honest here, even when 2 or 3 of those guys are in the game with him, the offense bogs down. It will consists of making the initial pass, reversing the ball, and then Kobe gets the ball having been isolated on the weakside (he's usually out past the 3 point line).
Then, to make matters worse, over the last month and a half, he's fallen in love with the 3 again. Over the last 16 games, he's had SEVEN games where he's had double digit 3 point attempts and another 4 games where he's attempted 7 or more. That's outrageous.
Basically, I am in no way attempting to bash Kobe, but instead just to say while the guy has an incredible hoops IQ, he just makes the game much more difficult than he has to. There's no doubt in my mind that if he played more efficiently, that he would be averaging 40 points and shooting over 50% from the field.
This isn't to absolve any of his teammates from their play, but just to say that with regards to the triangle offense, Kobe isn't using it in the manner that is best for him, and to be quite honest, he's so stubborn, I'm not sure if he EVER will. Shaw and crew have repeatedly told him that he makes the game far more difficult than it has to be (in reference to his shot selection) and he consistently replies that he feels like if he can rise over his guy and see the rim, that he thinks it's a good look. Stubbornness makes him great, but it also keeps him from being as great as he can be. |
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| LTD, is it outrageous that kobe tries to win the games from threepoints line when we need a threepointer?... and when you know that every opponent is waiting for you -and only for you- in the paint, is it outrageous to shhot from outside?... by the way, in the recent games kobe scored 55 threes on 136, more than 40%... it makes 165 points on 136 attempts... is it so bad?... even tex winter says that kobe is stubborn, but he also says that kobe perfectly understands his system... |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| ravelo wrote: | quote]If you didn't see Kobe pass, You were blind.  |
When did he pass?? Tell me when...Give me an actual play and tell me who he passed to....HAHAHAHA....YOU CAN'T!! You call me blind?? Do you not see what I said?? The ball stops moving 99.9% of the time when Kobe gets the ball!! That means that .01% of the time he does pass! I'll give you that. Come on man....Observe the game the right way and stop jocking on Kobe's *$&% and you would agree!![/quote]
once he threw a crisp over the head pass to smush but it slid rite out of his hands |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| ravelo wrote: | | Quote: | | If you didn't see Kobe pass, You were blind. |
When did he pass?? Tell me when...Give me an actual play and tell me who he passed to....HAHAHAHA....YOU CAN'T!! You call me blind?? Do you not see what I said?? The ball stops moving 99.9% of the time when Kobe gets the ball!! That means that .01% of the time he does pass! I'll give you that. Come on man....Observe the game the right way and stop jocking on Kobe's *$&% and you would agree!! |
WOW ... I'm guessing you failed basic math in grade school.
Kobe averages 4.3 assists per game despite being our first, second, and third scoring option. The Lakers (not including Kobe) average 24 field goals per game. This means Kobe assist on 1 out of every 6 baskets his teammates make. I don't think you're blind ... I just think you pull crap out of your a** to try and prove your distorted view of reality.
Kobe is actually the PERFECT fit for the triangle offense. He is impossible to guard off the ball ... meaning he is almost always open if the triangle is run properly. In addition, the triangle is designed to create one-on-one scoring opportunities as well as two-on-two. Who is better in one-on-one situations than Kobe??? The simple fact is that there is not a single NBA player today better than Kobe if you can give him an isolated one-on-one situation ... exactly the type of thing the triangle was designed for. Why do you think Jordan was such a good fit? Because of his passing? Jordan averaged 5.3 apg for his career while Kobe is at 4.4. That's a difference of only 1 assist per game. And keep in mind that today's NBA game is slower and more defensive than it was in Jordan's time. Those Bulls tyeams averaged 5 more shoots per game than the Lakers of today. That would translate to another assist for Kobe based on his current averages.
Contrary to your illogical rant ... Kobe IS the perfect player for this system. What we need is another scorer ... preferably a low post threat ... to complete the triangle. Hopefully Bynum will be that player in another year or two. |
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Can we not blame this on Kobe?
He is playing well. He still has bad habits but this is just silly. Bryant does everything he can to win ballgames.
As for the Triangle, I agree with the notion that at times it hurts the team. The Lakers are so focused on the Triangle that they have lost their focus on the other end. This has happenned for a stretch with virtually EVERY Phil Jackson team - apart from maybe the team he coached in the 1st season as a Laker -
Do you realize that all the elite defensive teams run very basic offenses?
Pick and rolls
Scorers get the ball through off ball screens
Drive and Kick by the PG
Post up
Very simple for the most part. It also allows them to focus more on team defense on the other end.
But I will give Phil the BOD. He knows when to pull back on the offense and when to push forward on it. |
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sometimes i wonder if the triple post offense is the best solution for this team... i look at the suns, and d'antoni's formula is so fascinating... a global style of basketball, going beyond traditional roles... very essential and at the same time very energetic and entertaining... but it's evident that we don't have the players for this kind of game...
it seems to me that this season we have better offensive spacing and better offensive rotations (i'm not talking about the last games...)... but a system that promotes equal opportunities needs good role players, able to choose the right moment to pass and to shoot: and we don't have even these kind of players... so we totally depend on kobe, and that's can't always be the solution... |
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| angel wrote: | | Kobe rates in the top ten of shooting guards in assists. In fact, he's #8. He's nearly an assist a game better than Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton. Nobody seems to complain about them. SGs are primarily scorers. Kobe scores more than any other SG, or any other player for that matter. |
And if Sasha, Walton, Devean, Cook could actually HIT THEIR WIDE-OPEN SHOTS, Kobe would be averaging around 7apg.
And we'd have more wins.
Kobe needs help.
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| 8750 wrote: | | tex winter says that kobe deeply understands his system... ravelo thinks that kobe doesn't fit... who do you think better knows the triangle and kobe: tex winter or ravelo?... |
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| Quote: | | LTD, is it outrageous that kobe tries to win the games from threepoints line when we need a threepointer?... and when you know that every opponent is waiting for you -and only for you- in the paint, is it outrageous to shhot from outside?... by the way, in the recent games kobe scored 55 threes on 136, more than 40%... it makes 165 points on 136 attempts... is it so bad?... even tex winter says that kobe is stubborn, but he also says that kobe perfectly understands his system... |
It's outrageous because the SECOND we are down by 6 points or more, Kobe will go to launching the 3 pointers. It's like clockwork. It's like he's trying to get it all back on one possession.
As for the paint, who said anything about going all the way to the paint? That's the problem, the minutes someone brings up the amount of 3's, people chime in saying well he can't take it all the way to the rim. Did the midrange game become illegal in the NBA? That's when he's the dealiest IMO. He's killer from there, and then he'd actually get a few more handcheck calls.
Also, just because I'm a math guy, I have to point out that it's actually 142 attempts, which makes his average 38%. Still good no doubt, though.
But again for the record, I am IN NO WAY blaming the losses on Kobe. I'm simply talking about the triangle offense, his role in it, and how he personally could be more effective in it. It's like in school. Just because you make an A-minus doesn't mean you can't examine your test, and see what you could have done in order to make an A-plus. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: |
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LTD - I've seen Kobe pass the ball to Cook at least 6 or 7 times in the last 2 games and have Cook come up empty. I've seen the same thing with Kwame, Smush and Sasha.
It's funny how when the guys actually hit the shots they are afforded by the double/triple teams Kobe gets no one says this crap abou this passing (see NY Knicks game).
Once people start shooting well we will win. That will take someone going to the hole and scoring, scoring when recieving the ball in the paint, and hitting the wide open jumpers they have.
Please lock this thread, it is a waste of energy.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| ravelo wrote: | | Quote: | | If you didn't see Kobe pass, You were blind. |
When did he pass?? Tell me when...Give me an actual play and tell me who he passed to....HAHAHAHA....YOU CAN'T!! You call me blind?? Do you not see what I said?? The ball stops moving 99.9% of the time when Kobe gets the ball!! That means that .01% of the time he does pass! I'll give you that. Come on man....Observe the game the right way and stop jocking on Kobe's *$&% and you would agree!! |
He must have passed SOME, why else would a newpaper account include this gem... | Quote: | | The Hornets became the latest team to send aggressive double-team traps at Bryant from the tipoff, and while he managed 35 points on 13-of-26 shooting, the Lakers never got in sync after most of teammates started out missing shots off Bryant passes. |
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| Quote: | | I don't think Kobe is a good fit for the triangle offense! Everyone always claims that the rest of the Lakers just stand around and watch Kobe when he gets the ball but what are they supposed to do? How many times does Kobe actually look for an open man when he gets the ball? HE DOESN'T! He tries to dribble through 2-3 defenders....he is always looking for HIS shot! The triangle is supposed to be effective when guys are cutting and whenever Kobe posts up he never hits the cutters! How many times have we seen the ball stop moving once Kobe gets it? 99.9% of the time!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I think Kobe is the best one on one player in the game but there are always 10 guys on the floor during game time!!! Four of which are Kobe's "teammates" but Kobe doesn't seem to care too much about them nor anyone else on the floor for that matter....When Kobe is on the floor it's all about KOBE BRYANT! It has sickened me to see what Kobe Bryant has done to the Laker organization!!!! I'm done! |
three rings in the triangle offense, end of discussion rookie. |
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I'm with LTD in that Kobe does need to improve his shot selection and if you watch, he does tend to start jacking up 3's with lots of time on the shot clock as soon as the Lakers start to get behind.
That said, it's just a tough situation for him. We all know the other guys on the team can't hit open shots...so it all comes down to do you want Kobe taking bad shots fully knowing they are bad shots, or do you want him passing the ball to bad shooters fully knowing they are bad shooters? It's like giving you the choice between hooking up with star jones or rosanne bar - you lose no matter what.
Kobe's a fine fit for the triangle, I'll take Tex's word enough said. But as long as he has to make the choice between bad shots and horrible shooting team mates, his passing skills, selfishness and fit in the triangle will always be questioned, even if it's unfair. |
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psydesho, where did I say that kobe doesn't pass the ball?
| Quote: | | so it all comes down to do you want Kobe taking bad shots fully knowing they are bad shots, or do you want him passing the ball to bad shooters fully knowing they are bad shooters? It's like giving you the choice between hooking up with star jones or rosanne bar - you lose no matter what. |
Socks, what about adding in the option of just taking better shots? Personally, I have no problem with the number of shots that kobe takes. In fact, since LO has been out, I'm actually a bit perturbed that his number of shots has actually went down instead of going up. I guess my point is that sometimes he just takes shots that he simply doesn't have to take. The 3 pointer a good two steps behind the line? No need to take that. The long fallaway jumper after pumpfaking 3 times and the defender doesn't bite? No need to take that.
IMO, and again, this is just my opinion, he/we should allow the offense to set him up better, instead of basically the clearout play (where he's going to be doubled as soon as he catches the ball anyway). I think the day we run some form of a curl with Kobe (like Detroit does with Rip), I'll probably keel over from shock.
Again, I'm not saying that he isn't playing well. Like I stated earlier, we're talking about trying to improve an A- into an A+. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| ravelo wrote: | | I don't think Kobe is a good fit for the triangle offense! Everyone always claims that the rest of the Lakers just stand around and watch Kobe when he gets the ball but what are they supposed to do? How many times does Kobe actually look for an open man when he gets the ball? HE DOESN'T! He tries to dribble through 2-3 defenders....he is always looking for HIS shot! The triangle is supposed to be effective when guys are cutting and whenever Kobe posts up he never hits the cutters! How many times have we seen the ball stop moving once Kobe gets it? 99.9% of the time!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I think Kobe is the best one on one player in the game but there are always 10 guys on the floor during game time!!! Four of which are Kobe's "teammates" but Kobe doesn't seem to care too much about them nor anyone else on the floor for that matter....When Kobe is on the floor it's all about KOBE BRYANT! It has sickened me to see what Kobe Bryant has done to the Laker organization!!!! I'm done! |
I am surprised that the moderator hasnt put this in the piss and moan section but I'll say this: I'm surprised that NBA fans hate Kobe, Phil and the Lakers so much they are willing to make themselves out to look like fools. Your obviously not a Laker fan and not a true NBA fan if you can't see the greatest player alive today from either scoring a record 81pts in a game or passing out of triple teams to teammates not talented enough to put the ball in the basket. Most of the people on this site actually watch basketball, you might want to try to watch more if your so willing to share your pointless and hate-stemmed comments.  |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe and the triangle offense |
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| ravelo wrote: | | quote]If you didn't see Kobe pass, You were blind. |
When did he pass?? Tell me when...Give me an actual play and tell me who he passed to....HAHAHAHA....YOU CAN'T!! You call me blind?? Do you not see what I said?? The ball stops moving 99.9% of the time when Kobe gets the ball!! That means that .01% of the time he does pass! I'll give you that. Come on man....Observe the game the right way and stop jocking on Kobe's *$&% and you would agree!![/quote]
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