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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:21 pm    Post subject: Danny Green needs to step it up

Mr. Green is going the way of Mr. Kuzma, reliable for only one thing (3 point shot) and barely that. I'm not just basing my assessment on tonight. Green is supposed to be a lock down defender, but I haven't seen any evidence of that the entire season. I also haven't noticed him being a true rebounder, and he doesn't produce any assists. His mid range game is horrendous, and he misses layups too frequently. So, if he isn't making his 3 point shots, his value to the Lakers team is stymied.

We can put Kuzma (and to an extend KCP) in the same category as Green, players that may have big 3 point shooting nights every 6-7th game, or so. But between those big games, we get little to nothing from them.

I like both Kuzma and Green, but I have to pull for the team before individuals. Kuzma and Green are wildly inconsisent and cannot be relied upon to do any one particular thing really good, game in and game out.

Very disappointed in D. Green. Hope he and Kuz get out of their collective funks and start contributing.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject:

He had an off night, but on the season he is shooting 39.8 percent from 3, which considering he will take about 5-7 for us, is amazing.

We need him for defense, IQ and 3 ball. He brings all 3, but tonight was a bad game for him.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject:

I don't think Danny at this point is a lock down defender. Avery and KCP are better lock down defenders than Danny is. DG is a good help defender and knows how to pick some pockets here and there. If I were Vogel, I would probably start Avery and KCP together instead of Avery/DG. Danny Green could be a good compliment to the bench unit.

But I would also play DG down the stretch in 4th quarters since I trust him a lot to hit the big shots.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject:

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If you watched Danny in Toronto, he often was getting beat on D, but he has great recovery skills. What he does is stand in position where he is close enough to contest a shot, but also if he is beat off the dribble to help.

He has never been so much the guy that sticks to you like glue, like we have with AD, Caruso, Avery and Dwight. Those guys are different level.

Green is more IQ, and a quality defender, than lockdown. Agree. I think he is also a great clutch time 2-way player if you know what I mean.

Totally agree that he would help our bench big time, We could try and run a lineup of Dwight, AD or Lebron, Green, Daniels and Rondo. Green and Daniels sharing the court together with Rondo gives us some nice spacing and targets for him. Run some pick and rolls with the bigs and Rondo, and just sit back and watch him find the open man.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject:

bad game but overall he's played well for what he is.. a 3 and D guy who will focus on just that. A bit over priced at 15mil though... I cant help but think of how much better we'd be if Green's KCP's and Mcgees salaries was put to better use. Bojan on the Jazz is making only 1.5mil more than Green...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject:

To be honest, I’m more worried about Kuz then Green
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:34 pm    Post subject:

So overpaid. We could have had Russell for Green and KCP’s combined salaries.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Per NBA.com Green is fifth on the team in Drtg and third in net rating. He’s just in a slump right now. A couple games ago he was shooting mid 40s from 3.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject:

Last year Danny Green was the number 1 rated SG by RPM

He has had a couple bad shooting nights but the dude is still money
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject:

Must be that he spends so much time on his hairdo.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
So overpaid. We could have had Russell for Green and KCP’s combined salaries.


Why would he take $5M less, when he already agreed to work with the Nets to find him a landing spot that would get him the most money? Had we offered him the max on June 30th, perhaps he chooses us over Golden State, otherwise I don't see it happening.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject:

Nearly every time this guy takes a shot it's almost always contested. Team needs to do a better job of getting him some open looks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject:

Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
So overpaid. We could have had Russell for Green and KCP’s combined salaries.


Why would he take $5M less, when he already agreed to work with the Nets to find him a landing spot that would get him the most money? Had we offered him the max on June 30th, perhaps he chooses us over Golden State, otherwise I don't see it happening.


He wouldn’t. Things like that are only possible in the land of hypotheticals.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:46 pm    Post subject:

I love the back to back responses citing an arbitrary “advanced statistic” without any context. He can’t hit shots, nor does he slow down anyone, as OP stated. Well, the stats tell us... well, those stats didn’t do anything to slow down Murray, got any shot he wanted tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
I love the back to back responses citing an arbitrary “advanced statistic” without any context. He can’t hit shots, nor does he slow down anyone, as OP stated. Well, the stats tell us... well, those stats didn’t do anything to slow down Murray, got any shot he wanted tonight.


Yes the eye test is important, but the stats are not arbitrary just because they don't fit your viewpoint

Green had a below average game but it happens, most of the time the guy plays really good.

People like to say shooting comes and goes but defense is always consistent; that's not true, players have bad defensive nights all the time
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject:

I love the word arbitrary, because it’s synonymous with whimsical, as in these stats are posted on a whim.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Some ya'll don't know what to expect from role players, do ya?

DG is doing everything we signed him to, play some D and hit shots. He's always been inconsistent in numbers and makes his dumb passes. Already won us one game with a clutch shot.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:07 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
I love the word arbitrary, because it’s synonymous with whimsical, as in these stats are posted on a whim.


If anything this thread was posted on a whim. The stats were used to defend a good player from a hot take
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:08 pm    Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
I love the word arbitrary, because it’s synonymous with whimsical, as in these stats are posted on a whim.


If anything this thread was posted on a whim. The stats were used to defend a good player from a hot take

Beat me to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject:

He'll be fine.

His shooting comes and goes but his defense is always consistent.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:23 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
So overpaid. We could have had Russell for Green and KCP’s combined salaries.


Glad we dodged that bullet!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Our defense would be freaking awful if we got Russell lol
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
So overpaid. We could have had Russell for Green and KCP’s combined salaries.

If we did that our defense would be much worse, and we'd have to deal with Russell's inconsistent shooting, not to mention the fact that he's an on the ball player and can't really play off the ball.

Green and KCP are 2-way players.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:07 pm    Post subject:

sharpshooters like him have impact no matter how they are shooting on any given night. I bet you no coach is telling his players to double off of green. There's no chance he gets benched because the bulk of his minutes need to come with AD and Bron on the floor together.

His job has been done before he even steps foot on the court IMO
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:27 am    Post subject:

He has been the 2nd biggest disappointment (after Kuz) on this team. The fact that we are playing so well only makes the rest of the season look great considering at least one of them will figure it out.
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