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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:03 pm    Post subject: Noah Vonleh

This guy is moving up boards fast. What do you think of him?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject:

Don't misinterpret.

The player Earl Clark was supposed to be.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Who was that supposed to be? I think Vonleh has a better jumper and better handles than Earl Clark. I see more of a Lamar Odom.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject:

Earl Clark regressed a bit at Louisville in both of those skills. He had them once.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject:

Vonleh would be a great fit at the 4 for L.A.

9.5 rebounds in 23 mpg is exceptional. I think between Vonleh, Wes Johnson, and say Robert Sacre you'd have a very good defensive front court that can rebound, rotate on the P and R and play modern NBA ball.

He's probably going to be picked right around L.A.'s range.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:55 am    Post subject:

if the plan wasn't getting kevin love after next season, then he would fit.

as is - i'd only take him to trade down to get cauly stein and hopefully some other young asset.

we need to come out of this draft with a defensive anchor or a pg.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
if the plan wasn't getting kevin love after next season, then he would fit.

as is - i'd only take him to trade down to get cauly stein and hopefully some other young asset.

we need to come out of this draft with a defensive anchor or a pg.


We need to come out of this draft with the BPA. Assuming we get any particular future FA is a recipe for disaster.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:53 am    Post subject:

that may be, but that is the basic assumption regarding love imo.

and unless you think there is some SERIOUS talent gap between the slightly "better" prospect and the one that plays the position you need, i still go for the need since it's a gamble anyway, and i get another young asset to gamble on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:22 am    Post subject:

I don't think Love coming here is a given at all, I think we'd be foolish and arrogant to assume any big FA wants to come here over other teams, at this point.

Well if there was a serious talent gap, they wouldn't be considered only a slightly better prospect. Sure, it's a gamble regardless, but not all gambles are created equal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject:

if center is a position of need for us next season, and also fits with the long term plan - i don't see any reason to go with volneh over stein at this point.

things could change during the course of the year and even more so at the workouts, but right now - stein over volneh for this team, and yes - position has something to do with it.

nothing wrong with that.

plenty of cases where teams were screwed because they either went with bpa, or by position.

so if talent gap is neglegable, and free agency outlook is full of forwards - you go with the defensive anchor in this case.
at least for now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject:

Lakers are going all the way to the top 3-7 pick. Why are you guys even talking Vonleh
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:26 am    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
if center is a position of need for us next season, and also fits with the long term plan - i don't see any reason to go with volneh over stein at this point.

things could change during the course of the year and even more so at the workouts, but right now - stein over volneh for this team, and yes - position has something to do with it.

nothing wrong with that.

plenty of cases where teams were screwed because they either went with bpa, or by position.

so if talent gap is neglegable, and free agency outlook is full of forwards - you go with the defensive anchor in this case.
at least for now.


Okay...I'm not actually making a specific case for Vonleh, I haven't even watched him play yet. I'm certainly not against considering types of players, their value, their impact, their availability vs. other types, especially when the difference in respective ability is negligible. However, if I'm pretty confident one player is going to be better than another, despite there not being some grand consensus, I'm going to pick that player. I'm not going to take getting any big FA for granted, especially when you can just potentially trade the player you draft down the road.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:43 am    Post subject:

if difference in ability is significant, or at least percieved that way - then yeah, i can't see any team going with position vs. bpa (except portland that is...).

but at this particular time, i just don't see it with volneh vs. stein.

the way i see it, there's a top 8 right now that you take because they are best players available, and then it becomes more iffy in the next 4 picks or so.

let's just hope we get to that top 8 and save ourselves the dillema...

certainly doesn't seem out of our reach...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:47 am    Post subject:

and btw - the lakers have to get a starter with this pick.

trading that pick down the road as you suggested will be very very tough if you consider our salary structure imo.

holding on to a starter on a rookie skale K is paramount for us going forward, and will probably ultimatly be the deciding factor on whether or not we can build a contending team in the next 3-4 years.

so sure, there's the off chance that you can trade a guy for another player with a rookie K who plays the position you need, but that's very thin imo.

the way i see it, this draft pick is the most crucial pick in laker history since magic.

being able to add a max free agent in 2015 and then again in 2016 will not cut it if we blow this pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject:

Vonleh is 6-10, 240-245. If he hits 6-11 with his last growth spurt and bulks to 250 is there any reason why he can't play C in today's NBA? At worst you'd carry a Robert Sacre on the roster just in case you are playing a huge front line.

He reminds me of Amare, perhaps less athletic but with more skill.

As a 6-10 C he'd have a field day running the P and R, attacking Cs with his face-up game. He'd be a great fit playing with Kendall Marshall.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject:

he looks slow
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject:

He's not slow and he has a 7'3" wingspan. He's not a center.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:03 pm    Post subject:

If Bosh can play C why not Vonleh? He's an excellent rebounder, something that Bosh isn't.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject:

Jajwanda wrote:
If Bosh can play C why not Vonleh? He's an excellent rebounder, something that Bosh isn't.


Bosh excels at C due to the scheme at Miami.

LeBron picks up the slack on defense and rebounding in the paint.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Sure but Vonleh is a better rebounder than Bosh by far. If L.A. does keep Pau I would draft Vonleh, keep Sacre, and Hill. That would give L.A. a true big man with some guard skills that can really pick up the slack on the glass for Pau, help him from the weak-side... etc...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject:

Vonleh can definitely play center in this league.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject:

At 6'9" in shoes with a 7'3" wingspan and light in the backpocket, I'm not convinced. It would be like playing Odom at center.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject:

I guess I personally want more of an immediate impact. It will take 4 years for this guy. Like, I want a player who will be able to contribute in his 2nd year.
Ideally, someone who"ll average 10 ppg in his first year, 17 ppg in his second year. For Vonleh, 10 ppg will come in his third year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject:

CigaretteProtein wrote:
I guess I personally want more of an immediate impact. It will take 4 years for this guy. Like, I want a player who will be able to contribute in his 2nd year.
Ideally, someone who"ll average 10 ppg in his first year, 17 ppg in his second year. For Vonleh, 10 ppg will come in his third year.


You want to take someone who's ultimately going to end up being the best player available, we may not have the luxury of having that and being ready for immediate contribution.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
CigaretteProtein wrote:
I guess I personally want more of an immediate impact. It will take 4 years for this guy. Like, I want a player who will be able to contribute in his 2nd year.
Ideally, someone who"ll average 10 ppg in his first year, 17 ppg in his second year. For Vonleh, 10 ppg will come in his third year.


You want to take someone who's ultimately going to end up being the best player available, we may not have the luxury of having that and being ready for immediate contribution.


While it may not mean a championship at Kobe's twilight, if a player is still developing and the team remains in the lottery, it's easier to acquire capspace and build a franchise core.
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